On 07/08/12 06:35, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:24:10 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
er, the point I was trying to make is that when you say 'interface' it
could mean so many things. If you say 'facade' everyone knows exactly
what you are talking about. And that is EXACTLY the
On 07/08/12 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:55:24 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
[snip]
The clue is in the name 'Object Oriented' ... anything else is (or
should be)
lipska the kat lipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
The ONLY concept that you should never try to encapsulate is/are
human beings or their aliases.
You stated this in absolute, dogmatic terms. I thought at first you were
being hyperbolic for effect, but the situation that you present to
support
On 07/08/12 14:12, Ben Finney wrote:
lipska the katlipskathe...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
The ONLY concept that you should never try to encapsulate is/are
human beings or their aliases.
You stated this in absolute, dogmatic terms. I thought at first you were
being hyperbolic for effect, but the
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:19:31 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 07/08/12 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
But what *really* gets me is not the existence of poor terminology. I
couldn't care less what terminology Java programmers use among
themselves.
I'd be most grateful if you could park
On 07/08/12 15:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:19:31 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 07/08/12 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
But what *really* gets me is not the existence of poor terminology. I
couldn't care less what terminology Java programmers use among
themselves.
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 21:14:04 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
While I've probably used singletons (usually as sentinels in queues,
I don't know your code, but if I were to take a wild guess, I would say
that apart from None, and True/False, you probably haven't.
NotImplemented and Ellipsis are
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
I suspect), but can't say that I've ever used a factory function...
If you've ever used an ordinary function decorator, you almost certainly
have.
If you've every created a closure, you definitely have.
Or anything with a __iter__
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
rant
Object Oriented programming is a mindset, a way of looking at that
particular part of our world that you are trying to encapsulate in
computer language. The language you use is (should be)
On 06/08/12 09:55, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
rant
snip
Well as you seem to be so concerned with terminology I'd have to
disagree with you here. An interface (in computing) has any number of
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:55:24 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
rant
Object Oriented programming is a mindset, a way of looking at that
particular part of our world that you are trying to
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:24:10 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
er, the point I was trying to make is that when you say 'interface' it
could mean so many things. If you say 'facade' everyone knows exactly
what you are talking about. And that is EXACTLY the point.
The whole point of design patterns
I found Mark Lutz's book Learning Python had two or three chapters on object
oriented programming from starting principles to more involved Python object
programming. It helped me immensely.
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On 04/08/12 16:49, Jean Dubois wrote:
I'm looking for a good introduction to object oriented programming
with Python.
rant
Object Oriented programming is a mindset, a way of looking at that
particular part of our world that you are trying to encapsulate
in computer language. The language you
On 05/08/2012 20:46, lipska the kat wrote:
[snip]
There is a book you could try, it's a bit dry and I read it when I can't
sleep, about 30 mins usually does it :-)
It's called Design Patterns by Gamma, Helm, Johnson and Vlissides
ISBN 0-201-63361-2.
They do use C++ code in examples but as they
On 05/08/2012 20:46, lipska the kat wrote:
Design Patterns by Gamma, Helm, Johnson and Vlissides
In article mailman.2980.1344204577.4697.python-l...@python.org,
Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Please no, that's the worst possible book for someone trying to learn
OOD in Python.
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
rant
Object Oriented programming is a mindset, a way of looking at that
particular part of our world that you are trying to encapsulate in
computer language. The language you use is (should be) irrelevant.
That depends on how you
On 06/08/2012 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[snipped to death]
In my not-so-humble opinion, the popularity of Design Patterns has a lot
to do with the fact that they are so abstract and jargon-ridden that they
have become a badge of membership into an elite. Shorn of their excessive
I'm looking for a good introduction to object oriented programming
with Python. I am looking for an introduction which only refers to
Python. I have seen introductions where the authors make comparisons
to other languages such as C++ and Java, but as I don't know these
languages that doesn't help
One reason you may be having difficulty is that unlike some languages
(C++/Java) object-orientation is not a be all and end all in Python, in fact
you could work with Python for a long time without really 'doing it' at all
(well other than calling methods/properties on existing API's). Having
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