Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-24 Thread cfbolz
Fredrik Lundh schrieb: markscottwright wrote: If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, they'd been done by now. /F The Python interpreter in Python part of PyPy _is_ done. Since quite a while even

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-24 Thread Chris Mellon
On 11/23/06, Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: markscottwright wrote: Fredrik Lundh wrote: markscottwright wrote: If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, they'd been done by now.

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-24 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Chris Mellon wrote; Now, writing a compiler/interpreter from the ground up is a more valuable experience, but does it really matter if the language is the same one you wrote the compiler in? It gets harder the more complicated the syntax and semantics of the language are, but, say, python

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-23 Thread Fredrik Lundh
markscottwright wrote: If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, they'd been done by now. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-23 Thread markscottwright
Fredrik Lundh wrote: markscottwright wrote: If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, they'd been done by now. /F Isn't that the point of PyPy? It's what their mission statement says

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-23 Thread Scott David Daniels
markscottwright wrote: Fredrik Lundh wrote: markscottwright wrote: If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, they'd been done by now. /F Isn't that the point of PyPy? It's what their mission

Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because I know very little Scheme still).

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because I

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: No surprise to anyone who's ever tried to use MIT Scheme. Be careful, such assertions are often flamebait. I am using DrPython (I think they were using it at MIT too lately), and it is very very good IDE, it produces executables on the fly, it has a visual debugger with some

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No surprise to anyone who's ever tried to use MIT Scheme. Be careful, such assertions are often flamebait. Well, yeah, it's a warning to everyone to not bother with the MIT implementation of Scheme which is completely worthless. I am using

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Haven't heard of that one, although I've got DrScheme. Right, sorry, I meant that one :-) I find that hierarchy extremely annoying. I don't see the need for it. I never use OOP in Python yet there's no need for me to have a stripped down version, I just don't use it. But

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread markscottwright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because I

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
markscottwright: I love Python as much as the next guy, but I just don't see how SICP can be done in Python. The contents of the course are probably different, they work on robotics... Bye, bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread Paddy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because I

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paddy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations simpler to write (but it's not a fair

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
Paddy: Is the MIT course syndicated to Universities around America or something? (Is your name pronounced Beer-owe-file, or Bear-oh-fi-lee, I don't know. I too have heard about the MIT course changing to Python elsewhere and wanted to know why it was talked about so much? I don't know why