On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 15:31:57 - (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> I have no objection to saving the most recent window size and using
> that on the next startup, but I hate applications that force the
> _location_ of the window. I've configured my window manager to open
> windows where I want them
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2020-11-01, songbird wrote:
>
>> to keep a program simple i made it to open in the center.
>
> That's not simple: it actually takes _extra_ work to do that.
this was the first python3 program i wrote, i certainly
do not know python3 or desktop application standards or
On 2020-11-01, songbird wrote:
> certainly it isn't but it is my game and i kept it simple. if
> people don't like it then they can find something else to play. i'm
> good with that, but the next time i get back to making changes i'll
> see what i can figure out for saving the location where so
On 2020-11-01, songbird wrote:
> to keep a program simple i made it to open in the center.
That's not simple: it actually takes _extra_ work to do that.
> if i ever get back to it i'll have to figure out how to ask
> the windowing system what it wants to do for placement
I've never heard of do
Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 10/30/20 6:47 PM, songbird wrote:
...
>> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
>> center of the screen?
>
> Absolutely! I'm fighting that on a system which, after an update,
> insists on opening new terminal windows centered - some recent policy
> chang
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2020-10-31, songbird wrote:
...
>> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
>> center of the screen?
>
> YES. I've configured my window manager so windows start up where I
> want them to start up. It's none of the application's business where
> it's window i
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 4:18 PM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 17:12:36 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 at 19:24:34 +0100,
> > "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> > > On 2020-10-31 11:58:41 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com
> wrote:
> > > > I never claim
30.10.20 17:56, flaskee via Python-list пише:
> Perhaps a more tactical approach would best to figure
> out how to do cross-platform python apps.
>
> What is the best approach to determining the user's available screensize,
> when they open your python application?
>
> Note that the "desktop" app
On 2020-10-31 17:12:36 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 at 19:24:34 +0100,
> "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 11:58:41 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > > I never claimed it was easy. Yes, the author of an MUA has to make a
> > > guess
On 2020-10-31 at 19:24:34 +0100,
"Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 11:58:41 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 at 14:37:52 +0100,
> > "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> >
> > > On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Th
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, at 01:26, Igor Korot wrote:
> This one is for "JAVAsucks" -
> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/layout/visual.html
> This one is for wxWidgets - https://docs.wxwidgets.org/3.0/overview_sizer.html
> This one is for Qt - https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/layout.html
> This on
On 2020-10-31 11:52:31 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 10/31/20 11:24 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 11:58:41 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > > I don't think we're disagreeing too much here, either. IMO, the user
> > > should be in control, whether by config file
On 2020-10-31 11:54:59 -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 8:40 AM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> > On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > > On 2020-10-31 at 13:02:03 +0100,
> > > "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> > > > On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +1100, Chris A
On 10/31/20 11:24 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
On 2020-10-31 11:58:41 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
I don't think we're disagreeing too much here, either. IMO, the user
should be in control, whether by config file or command line or
whatever,
Config files and command lines
On 2020-10-31 11:58:41 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 at 14:37:52 +0100,
> "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
>
> > On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
>
> > > The intial/default window should be big enough to contain the
> > > initial/
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 4:10 AM Igor Korot wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 8:40 AM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> > On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > > On 2020-10-31 at 13:02:03 +0100,
> > > "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> > > > On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +11
On 2020-10-31 15:22, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > A MUA may have to display hundreds of mailboxes, and maybe tens of
> > thousands of mails in a single mailbox.
>
> No. It doesn't. It has to display a tree widget that shows N items
> and holds tens of thousands of items, or a scrolling list widget
>
Hi,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 12:01 PM <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 at 14:37:52 +0100,
> "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
>
> > On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
>
> > > The intial/default window should be big enough to contain the
> > > i
Hi,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 11:40 AM Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2020-10-31, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> > Very often this is not the case: An image viewer will be used to
> > display images which are larger than the screen.
>
> Tell the image widget what image you want to display, and then forget
>
Hi,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 8:40 AM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 at 13:02:03 +0100,
> > "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> > > On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > > There is no valid way for an app
On 2020-10-31 01:20:39 -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2020-10-30, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> > So, assuming the user is invoking the application for the first time,
> > how should an application determine how much of the screen it should
> > use?
>
> You arrange the widgets the way you want th
Hi,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 11:33 AM Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2020-10-31, songbird wrote:
> > Chris Angelico wrote:
> > ...
> >> I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
> >> best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
> >> annoying.
> >
> > do y
Hi,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 8:00 AM Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:53 PM <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2020-10-31 at 13:02:03 +0100,
> > "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> >
> > > On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > > > There is no va
On 2020-10-31 at 14:37:52 +0100,
"Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> > The intial/default window should be big enough to contain the
> > initial/default content, regardless of the configuration of the
> > screen(s)/monitor(s).
>
>
On 2020-10-31, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> You still haven't answered the question: Where should the initial window
> size come from?
The GUI toolkit used by the application calculates a "desired" window
size based on the widgets and layout constraints. That desire is
passed to the window manager,
On 10/30/20 6:24 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-30, flaskee via Python-list wrote:
but allow the user to alter things, via preferences.
If you want to remember when a user resizes the application and
re-open with that same geometry, that's OK. Doin't it "via
preferences" is right out.
On 2020-10-31, Random832 wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 20:18, Igor Korot wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:59 PM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>> > So, assuming the user is invoking the application for the first time,
>> > how should an application determine how much of the screen it sh
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 3:35 AM Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> On 2020-10-31, Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> >> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
> >> center of the screen?
> >>
> >
> > If that's where my window manager chooses to put it, great! The
> > application just says "I want a
On 10/30/2020 12:05 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-30, flaskee via Python-list wrote:
What is the best approach to determining the user's available
screensize, when they open your python application?
IDLE, based on tkinter based on tcl/tk has a feature to vertically zoom
an editor wind
On 2020-10-31, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> Very often this is not the case: An image viewer will be used to
> display images which are larger than the screen.
Tell the image widget what image you want to display, and then forget
about it. Let the toolkit and window manager do their jobs.
> A MUA m
On 2020-10-30, flaskee via Python-list wrote:
> Funny thing about people who bitch and complain
> and offer no help,
Layout your widgets using appropriate sizers and constraints, and then
let them and the window manager do their jobs. You shouldn't be
messing about with window sizes and location
On 2020-10-31, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
>> center of the screen?
>>
>
> If that's where my window manager chooses to put it, great! The
> application just says "I want a window of this size"
But let the widget/toolkit layout engine figure o
On 2020-10-30, flaskee via Python-list wrote:
> In odd screen sizes or multi-monitor situations,
> I make the best guess,
Stop guessing. Let the window manager, and layout algorithm do the
jobs for which they were designed.
> but allow the user to alter things, via preferences.
If you want to
On 2020-10-30, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> So, assuming the user is invoking the application for the first time,
> how should an application determine how much of the screen it should
> use?
You arrange the widgets the way you want them using the user's
settings for the toolkit and let the sizers f
On 2020-10-31, songbird wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> ...
>> I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
>> best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
>> annoying.
>
> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
> center of the screen?
On 10/30/20 6:47 PM, songbird wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> ...
>> I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
>> best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
>> annoying.
>
> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
> center of the
On 2020-10-31 07:51:38 -0500, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 at 13:02:03 +0100,
> "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > There is no valid way for an application to read my mind and size
> > > itself. Attempting to query my
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:53 PM <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
>
> On 2020-10-31 at 13:02:03 +0100,
> "Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
>
> > On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> > > There is no valid way for an application to read my mind and size
> > > itself. Attempting
On 2020-10-31 at 13:02:03 +0100,
"Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > There is no valid way for an application to read my mind and size
> > itself. Attempting to query my screen size seems to just make things
> > worse in a lot of situations.
> You
On 2020-10-30 20:47:50 -0400, songbird wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> > I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
> > best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
> > annoying.
>
> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
> center o
On 2020-10-31 12:30:43 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:57 AM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 10:02:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 9:55 AM flaskee via Python-list
> > > wrote:
> > > > I have done all of this resizing and layout stuf
On 2020-10-30 19:18:22 -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:59 PM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > On 2020-10-31 10:02:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
> > > best and decide that they own the entire screen.
> >
> >
On 2020-10-30 20:08:35 -0700, jf...@ms4.hinet.net wrote:
> What's wrong the OP's question? Why can't just answer it?
Igor already answered it: There is no best way in Python, because it
depends on the framework (and there are many frameworks).
hp
--
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Hi,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:44 PM Random832 wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 20:18, Igor Korot wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:59 PM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > > So, assuming the user is invoking the application for the first time,
> > > how should an application determine
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 2:43 PM Random832 wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 20:18, Igor Korot wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:59 PM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > > So, assuming the user is invoking the application for the first time,
> > > how should an application determine how m
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 20:18, Igor Korot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:59 PM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > So, assuming the user is invoking the application for the first time,
> > how should an application determine how much of the screen it should
> > use? It has to make some choice
What's wrong the OP's question? Why can't just answer it?
--Jach
--
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:57 AM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> On 2020-10-31 10:02:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 9:55 AM flaskee via Python-list
> > wrote:
> > > I have done all of this resizing and layout stuff before.
> > >
> > > I just ignored the grouchy user with t
On 2020-10-30 at 20:47:50 -0400,
songbird wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> ...
> > I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
> > best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
> > annoying.
>
> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:51 AM songbird wrote:
>
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> ...
> > I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
> > best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
> > annoying.
>
> do you object to a window being put in the approximate
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:52 PM songbird wrote:
>
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> ...
> > I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
> > best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
> > annoying.
>
> do you object to a window being put in the approxi
Chris Angelico wrote:
...
> I add my voice to those who detest applications that think they know
> best and decide that they own the entire screen. It is incredibly
> annoying.
do you object to a window being put in the approximate
center of the screen?
songbird
--
https://mail.python.org/m
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:59 PM Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> On 2020-10-31 10:02:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 9:55 AM flaskee via Python-list
> > wrote:
> > > I have done all of this resizing and layout stuff before.
> > >
> > > I just ignored the grouchy user wi
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 12:56:30AM +0100, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
So, assuming the user is invoking the application for the first time,
how should an application determine how much of the screen it should
use? It has to make some choice, and any hard-coded value is almost
certainly wrong. So why
On 2020-10-31 10:02:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 9:55 AM flaskee via Python-list
> wrote:
> > I have done all of this resizing and layout stuff before.
> >
> > I just ignored the grouchy user with the hate over me wanting screensize.
> > (every list has one of those ty
> Funny thing about complaints... you don't hear any from people who
> just uninstall your app and move right on with their lives.
>
> Multi-monitor situations are pretty common. Since you don't seem to
> care about them, I no longer care about your app. Whatever it is, I
> don't need it.
>
> Chr
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:17 AM flaskee via Python-list
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm closing in on the screen width/height, at least.
> >
> >
> > In odd screen sizes or multi-monitor situations,
> > I make the best guess,
> > but allow t
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:17 AM flaskee via Python-list
wrote:
>
>
> I'm closing in on the screen width/height, at least.
>
>
> In odd screen sizes or multi-monitor situations,
> I make the best guess,
> but allow the user to alter things,
> via preferences.
>
> No complaints in 10 years.
> So th
I'm closing in on the screen width/height, at least.
In odd screen sizes or multi-monitor situations,
I make the best guess,
but allow the user to alter things,
via preferences.
No complaints in 10 years.
So there's that.
# For MacOS Code:
import AppKit [(screen.frame().size.width, screen.fr
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 9:55 AM flaskee via Python-list
wrote:
> I have done all of this resizing and layout stuff before.
>
> I just ignored the grouchy user with the hate over me wanting screensize.
> (every list has one of those types, eh? :-)
>
> Screensize, in part, determines the aspect rati
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On Friday, October 30, 2020 5:31 PM, Igor Korot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 4:20 PM Random832 random...@fastmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 12:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >
> > > Why do you think that's something your application needs
On 2020-10-30 16:31:25 -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 4:20 PM Random832 wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 12:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > Why do you think that's something your application needs to know?
> > >
> > > I _hate_ applications that think just because they've
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 4:20 PM Random832 wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 12:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > Why do you think that's something your application needs to know?
> >
> > I _hate_ applications that think just because they've been started
> > they now own the entire computer and e
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, at 12:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
> Why do you think that's something your application needs to know?
>
> I _hate_ applications that think just because they've been started
> they now own the entire computer and everything reachable from it.
>
> All you need to know is how big
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:26 PM Grant Edwards
wrote:
>
> On 2020-10-30, flaskee via Python-list wrote:
>
> > What is the best approach to determining the user's available
> > screensize, when they open your python application?
>
> Why do you think that's something your application needs to
On 2020-10-30, flaskee via Python-list wrote:
> What is the best approach to determining the user's available
> screensize, when they open your python application?
Why do you think that's something your application needs to know?
I _hate_ applications that think just because they've been starte
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 10:59 AM flaskee via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> wrote:
> Perhaps a more tactical approach would best to figure
> out how to do cross-platform python apps.
>
> What is the best approach to determining the user's available screensize,
> when they open your pyt
Perhaps a more tactical approach would best to figure
out how to do cross-platform python apps.
What is the best approach to determining the user's available screensize,
when they open your python application?
Note that the "desktop" application could be running on Android, iOS,
MacOS, Windows or
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