rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
One feature i would like to create is an ability to redo the last
command. Pressing an F* key should return you to the last block for
editing.
How would this differ from the current Alt-P function?
Some of your other ideas sound good.
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:20:29 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote about IDLE:
We are at once lucky to have a built in editor
It is certainly a boon to someone like me who now only programs in
Python and had no experience, let alone commitment to any of the current
alternative.
I know that lots of
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve-remove-t...@cybersource.com.au wrote:
But other than that, I don't
see the advantage of an IDE. What am I missing?
You're not missing anything my dear watson :)
I myself use vim (as my editor) and 2-3 Terminals on virtual workspaces
(in my
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:45:43 +1000 James Mills
prolo...@shortcircuit.net.au wrote:
I myself use vim (as my editor) and 2-3 Terminals on virtual
workspaces (in my DE). I guess the beauty with vim is you just read
the line no. type it in and hit ^G
You mean just G (Shift+g), right? ^G (Ctrl+G)
IDEs are seriously over-rated.
Vim FTW.
The only issue for beginners is they should know touch typing to fully
utilize Vim and the initial curve is a bit high as compared to normal
editors/IDEs.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Andreas Waldenburger
use...@geekmail.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun
On 06/15/2010 01:30 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I know that lots of people swear by IDEs, and back in Ancient Days I used
to use the THINK Pascal IDE on a Macintosh so I'm not hostile to the
idea. But in those days you could only run one app at a time, so you
needed an IDE or you'd go
On 2010-06-15, Steven D'Aprano steve-remove-t...@cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:20:29 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote about IDLE:
We are at once lucky to have a built in editor
It is certainly a boon to someone like me who now only programs in
Python and had no experience, let
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Shashwat Anand
anand.shash...@gmail.com wrote:
IDEs are seriously over-rated.
Vim FTW.
The only issue for beginners is they should know touch typing to fully
utilize Vim and the initial curve is a bit high as compared to normal
editors/IDEs.
Used to be
On 15Jun2010 07:25, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
| In some languages, due to the size and complexity of the libraries, an
| IDE is essential. Java is one of those languages.
Hmm. I'm in the terminals are my IDE camp. I never felt any need to
use an IDE when I was using Java. Indeed,
On Jun 13, 12:45 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 6/13/2010 12:14 PM, rantingrick wrote:
I have documented time and again the poor state of IDLE. The only
responses i ever get are...
Nobody uses IDLE
Only a dumbass would use IDLE
I have never used IDLE but i *know*
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:07 AM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Hopefully i'll get the motivation for that re-write real soon. So far
i have only corrected a few small but very annoying facets of the UI
in between my other various up-and-coming projects. However it would
be
On Jun 14, 2:32 am, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
And now we come to the crux of the matter- you cheerlead and do
nothing because you need to have people patting you on the back
to know you're going the right direction.
...yes and if i ever need a swift kick in the grapes well then
On 6/14/2010 3:07 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Sorry Terry -- with all the noise here the very few quality signals
just seem to be lost on my auditory cortex.
I think you will be both happier and more productive if you train
yourself to pay more attention to signal and let noise go by.
We are
On Jun 14, 3:20 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
1. I agree.
2. This does not much affect me since I do not directly enter compound
statement with more than, say, 2 lines in the body, even with the
command window interpreter. I much prefer a full screen editor.
But i think you'll
I call bullshit.
The Python community is vibrant, accessible, and willing to endure far
more then anyone has any right to expect when people come to it for help.
The community seems willing to explain fundamental concepts to newbies
over, and over, and over again; to go out of their way, time
On 6/12/10 10:10 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Python advocacy seems to be by example, not cheerleading.
+1 QOTW
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At first I wanted to response in the style of 'karma is a bitch' or
'what goes around comes around' but then I considered that won't be
helping much, so I only did at first in a meta sort of way, sorry for that.
The thing is that sometimes for no good or appealing reasons, which I
On Jun 13, 5:04 am, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@dcuktec.org
wrote:
So I would propose that, instead of beating up a dead horse (I try to
write from your point of view) you fork the project, call it Rython (or
whatever you fancy) and create the community you want by patching up the
On Jun 13, 1:50 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
You don't argue a position; you don't support it with facts, logic,
reason. You start immediately into this emotional rhetoric,
pseudo-inspirational nonsense which just comes off as inane. It's like a
bad cross between a
On Jun 13, 4:09 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Where is the community?
In Birmingham from 17th to 22nd of July:
http://www.europython.eu/talks/timetable/
(Couldn't resist - one good troll deserves another)
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In article 0912f443-e83a-4436-80db-b1cb915d5...@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
Zeth theol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 13, 4:09=A0am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Where is the community?
In Birmingham from 17th to 22nd of July:
http://www.europython.eu/talks/timetable/
(Couldn't
On 6/13/10 9:14 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 13, 1:50 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
You don't argue a position; you don't support it with facts, logic,
reason. You start immediately into this emotional rhetoric,
pseudo-inspirational nonsense which just comes off as
On 6/13/10 8:42 AM, rantingrick wrote:
However, if the ivory towers continue to pretend that the rest
of the Python community does not exist well then they will force my
hand, and i will start a fork. Then we will have a sort of ironic
situation... the very people who rail *against* me (and
On 6/13/2010 12:14 PM, rantingrick wrote:
I have documented time and again the poor state of IDLE. The only
responses i ever get are...
Nobody uses IDLE
Only a dumbass would use IDLE
I have never used IDLE but i *know* nothing is wrong with it
Perhaps you are listening selectively. I
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
i will start a fork.
That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it will
be a great thing for the Python community.
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Here's the thing. Python has one of the nicest communities of most
software projects (except maybe ubuntu), try Perl or C. Unless you
completely know what you're talking about, have spent atleast 1/2 an
hour researching your problem, those guys will refrain from helping.
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano
st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
i will start a fork.
That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it will
be a great thing for the Python community.
On 13/06/2010 18:24, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/13/10 8:42 AM, rantingrick wrote:
[big snip]
Stephen, you've tried as have others with this troll, but you're wasting
your time. As I said a day or two back by paraphrasing Tommy Docherty,
Ranting Rick is to Python what King Herod was to baby
On 6/13/10 12:08 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 13/06/2010 18:24, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/13/10 8:42 AM, rantingrick wrote:
[big snip]
Stephen, you've tried as have others with this troll, but you're wasting
your time.
Realistically, I know. However, http://xkcd.com/386/ currently has a
* Steven D'Aprano, on 13.06.2010 19:57:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
i will start a fork.
That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it will
be a great thing for the Python community.
Not nice to quote out of context, there was an if and a
Why was the reaction so negative? Well i will admit some fault in the
fact that i trashed Ruby pretty bad. I felt everything i said was true
IMO then as is now (mostly). People should have a right to opinions.
However since i was such an unknown and you could say a newbie,
was this reaction
Someone Something fordhai...@gmail.com writes:
Here's the thing. Python has one of the nicest communities of most
software projects (except maybe ubuntu), try Perl or C. Unless you
completely know what you're talking about, have spent atleast 1/2 an
hour researching your problem, those guys
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:14:34 +0200, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Steven D'Aprano, on 13.06.2010 19:57:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
i will start a fork.
That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it
will be a great thing for the Python
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Where is the community?
-
I think the Python community is broken. I think we don't really have
a community. It's more like a handful of negitive people at the top
and every one else is chopped liver.
Just today i saw another chance to
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:09 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
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Where is the community?
-
[snip]
You people need to get a life, drop your narcissistic attitudes and be
more helpful, friendly, and welcoming to the wider world.
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Jack Diederich jackd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:09 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
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Where is the community?
-
[snip]
[snip]
In various threads you haven't met the minimum
Jack Diederich jackd...@gmail.com writes:
In various threads you haven't met the minimum qualifications to be
taken seriously: you have contributed no code, don't even bother to
use something that looks like a real name, and continually demand that
volunteers (which we all are) write code to
On 12Jun2010 20:09, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
| I think the Python community is broken. I think we don't really have
| a community. It's more like a handful of negitive people at the top
| and every one else is chopped liver.
Hmm. I think this is an overreaction. I must be chopped
In article 8d93f1e1-1c49-4abc-832c-5501b6109...@a16g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
I will bring some positive attitudes to this group if it's the last
thing i do!
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then
shalt thou see clearly to
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