On Apr 26, 7:39 pm, snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm not a Pythonista, but I aspire to be.
My current tools:
Python, gvim, OS file system
My current practices:
When I write a Python app, I have several unorganized scripts in a
directory (usually with several named test1.py,
In article
58a6bb1b-a98e-4c4a-86ea-09e040cb2...@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com,
snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
[standard tale of chaotic software development elided]
I am aware of tools like version control systems, bug trackers, and
things like these, but I'm not really sure if I need
On Apr 26, 3:39 pm, snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I appreciate any advice or guidance anyone has to offer.
The 'Python Project HOWTO' gives good advice in terms of setting up a
new project, what files and directories to create, what to put in
version control, etc:
On 06/05/2011 10:51, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
On Apr 26, 3:39 pm, snorblesnor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I appreciate any advice or guidance anyone has to offer.
The 'Python Project HOWTO' gives good advice in terms of setting up a
new project, what files and directories to create, what to put in
On May 6, 2:59 pm, Tim Golden m...@timgolden.me.uk wrote:
On 06/05/2011 10:51, Jonathan Hartley wrote:
On Apr 26, 3:39 pm, snorblesnor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I appreciate any advice or guidance anyone has to offer.
The 'Python Project HOWTO' gives good advice in terms of setting up a
I use hg for even 50-line standalone python scripts. It's very well suited to
these small environments, and scales up nicely.
cd /my/working/dir
hg init
hg add myscript.py
hg ci -m 'added myscript'
It's that simple, and now hyou can go back if you make a terrible mistake, and
you can post it
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes:
I actually use rcs in Windows. Needs a little setup, but works great,
from Emacs VC-mode too.
Where do you get it?
[What google is showing seems to be about 10-15 years old]
As far as I know, RCS hasn't been updated since 5.7 which is about 10
years old
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes:
I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned rcs so far
Not an option if you are not on a *ix system and not something I am
specifically recommending.
I actually use rcs in Windows. Needs a little setup, but works great,
from Emacs VC-mode too.
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On May 2, 12:38 pm, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au wrote:
On Monday 02 May 2011 19:09:38 jacek2v wrote:
On May 2, 9:48 am, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au wrote:
On Monday 02 May 2011 17:19:57 rusi wrote:
On May 2, 12:08 pm, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au
wrote:
On May 3, 11:19 pm, Anssi Saari a...@sci.fi wrote:
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes:
I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned rcs so far
Not an option if you are not on a *ix system and not something I am
specifically recommending.
I actually use rcs in Windows. Needs a little
On Monday 02 May 2011 13:22:44 Ben Finney wrote:
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes:
You may want to look at rcs if you are in the space where
But today, Bazaar or Mercurial fill that role just as well:
quick simple set up, good tool support (yes, even in Emacs
using VC mode), and easy to
On May 2, 12:08 pm, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au wrote:
Actually, Bazaar is more convenient than rcs for a single user,
as the repository can be the working directory (with a hidden
.bzr directory that stores diffs).
Dont exactly understand...
Is it that you want it specifically
On Monday 02 May 2011 17:19:57 rusi wrote:
On May 2, 12:08 pm, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au
wrote:
Actually, Bazaar is more convenient than rcs for a single
user, as the repository can be the working directory (with
a hidden .bzr directory that stores diffs).
Dont exactly
On May 2, 9:48 am, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au wrote:
On Monday 02 May 2011 17:19:57 rusi wrote:
On May 2, 12:08 pm, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au
wrote:
Actually, Bazaar is more convenient than rcs for a single
user, as the repository can be the working directory (with
a
On Monday 02 May 2011 19:09:38 jacek2v wrote:
On May 2, 9:48 am, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au wrote:
On Monday 02 May 2011 17:19:57 rusi wrote:
On May 2, 12:08 pm, Algis Kabaila akaba...@pcug.org.au
wrote:
Actually, Bazaar is more convenient than rcs for a
single user, as
Am 02.05.2011 01:33, schrieb David Boddie:
After noting the warnings it contains, see the following page for a
description of the Python API for Mercurial:
http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MercurialApi
Ah, yes, no need to use os.sytem(), but all in all not much difference
from doing so
Am 01.05.2011 02:47, schrieb Shawn Milochik:
Look at the big two sites for open-source repositories -- github and
bitbucket. One's git, the other Mercurial. I don't think you can go
wrong picking either one.
Can any of those be used from Python as a library, i.e. something like
import Hg
r =
On 2011-04-30, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote:
On 04/30/2011 04:15 AM, Martin Schöön wrote:
You guys are very code focused, which is natural given where we are.
Having absorbed what I have seen here, looked a little at Mercurial,
read a little on the webs of Fossil and Bazaar I
On Sun, May 01 2011, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
Am 01.05.2011 02:47, schrieb Shawn Milochik:
Look at the big two sites for open-source repositories -- github and
bitbucket. One's git, the other Mercurial. I don't think you can go
wrong picking either one.
Can any of those be used from
Dietmar Schwertberger n...@schwertberger.de writes:
Am 01.05.2011 02:47, schrieb Shawn Milochik:
Look at the big two sites for open-source repositories -- github and
bitbucket.
Note that there are three: Launchpad (backed by Bazaar) is the other
“big site” for free-software project hosting.
On Sunday 01 May 2011 18:11, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
Am 01.05.2011 02:47, schrieb Shawn Milochik:
Look at the big two sites for open-source repositories -- github and
bitbucket. One's git, the other Mercurial. I don't think you can go
wrong picking either one.
Can any of those be used
Look at the big two sites for open-source repositories -- github and
bitbucket.
Note that there are three: Launchpad (backed by Bazaar) is the other
“big site” for free-software project hosting.
There is also patch-tag.com (using darcs) though it is smaller.
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On Apr 30, 8:21 am, CM cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
A lone developer using such a VCS reaps the benefits of this by getting
good merging support.
While we're on the topic, when should a lone developer bother to start
using a VCS? At what point in the complexity of a project (say a hobby
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes:
You may want to look at rcs if you are in the space where you want:
-- something better than tarballs
-- no pretensions beyond single-user, single-machine, (almost)single-
file usage (ie small scale)
-- something that integrates nicely with emacs
I might
On May 2, 8:22 am, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes:
You may want to look at rcs if you are in the space where you want:
-- something better than tarballs
-- no pretensions beyond single-user, single-machine, (almost)single-
file usage (ie
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:21:58 -0700 (PDT), CM
cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
: While we're on the topic, when should a lone developer bother to start
: using
: a VCS? At what point in the complexity of a project (say a hobby
: project, but
: a somewhat seriousish one, around ~5-9k LOC) is the
On 2011-04-30, Hans Georg Schaathun h...@schaathun.net wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:21:58 -0700 (PDT), CM
cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
: While we're on the topic, when should a lone developer bother to start
: using
: a VCS? At what point in the complexity of a project (say a hobby
:
On 04/30/2011 04:15 AM, Martin Schöön wrote:
You guys are very code focused, which is natural given where we are.
Having absorbed what I have seen here, looked a little at Mercurial,
read a little on the webs of Fossil and Bazaar I start to think there
is great merit in all this VCS stuff for
Roy Smith r...@panix.com writes:
No need to use VCS at the very beginning of a project. You can easily
wait until you've written 10 or 20 lines of code :-)
+1 QOTW
Should I bother to try a VCS?
Absolutely. Even if you don't need it for a small one-person project,
it's a good habit to get
For what it's worth, the Python core developers have selected Mercurial.
I personally use git and love it. Most open-source people seem to use
one or the other of the two. They're pretty similar in most ways.
Look at the big two sites for open-source repositories -- github and
bitbucket.
Fossil is another SCM to consider: http://www.fossil-scm.org/
It's written by the author of SQLite, D. Richard Hipp. It's not as
well-known as some of the other DCVS's, but the Tcl/Tk language projects
have moved their core development to it (http://core.tcl.tk). This is
relevant to Python
We were looking for some simple integrated SCM, issue tracker and wiki
in our university for software design and software testing courses,
and fossil seems to be perfect match, thanks for sharing.
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Daniel Kluev
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:24:30 +0200, Jean-Michel Pichavant
jeanmic...@sequans.com wrote:
: I was talking about merge *issue* i.e merge resulting in conflicts that
: are not easy to solve. With a single user most of the merge will be
: solved automatically by any decent VCS.
Exactly, and
Hans Georg Schaathun h...@schaathun.net writes:
Exactly, and with svn that can be a true nightmare when directories
are involved. The rumour is that git handles this much better.
Any of the top-tier distributed VCS (Bazaar, Git, Mercurial) handle
branching and merging very well. They have
A lone developer using such a VCS reaps the benefits of this by getting
good merging support.
While we're on the topic, when should a lone developer bother to start
using
a VCS? At what point in the complexity of a project (say a hobby
project, but
a somewhat seriousish one, around ~5-9k LOC)
Depends on the project, but I'd start with git the time I created the
first file in my project. If you're in the habit of committing then you
can easily rollback missteps. If you're in the habit of making branches
you can experiment without breaking the currently-working code.
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In article
ad197191-042c-468a-9002-f449b633d...@s4g2000yql.googlegroups.com,
CM cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
While we're on the topic, when should a lone developer bother to start
using a VCS?
No need to use VCS at the very beginning of a project. You can easily
wait until you've written 10
This has been a pretty informative thread so far. Please keep it coming.
I am a hardware development guy and do very little software development.
I have been vaguely aware of tools for version control but inspired by
this thread I have started looking at Mercurial.
My humble contribution (from my
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:39:41 -0700 (PDT)
snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm not a Pythonista, but I aspire to be.
My current tools:
Python, gvim, OS file system
I'm also starting with Python after abandoning idea to use D for our
desktop GUI application.
We plan to use Python + Qt
On Apr 27, 11:39 am, Gour-Gadadhara Dasa g...@atmarama.net wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:39:41 -0700 (PDT)
snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm not a Pythonista, but I aspire to be.
My current tools:
Python, gvim, OS file system
I'm also starting with Python after abandoning idea to
Ben Finney wrote:
Mercurial – are the ones to choose from. Anoyone recommending a VCS tool
that has poor merging support (such as Subversion or, heaven help us,
CVS) is doing the newcomer a disservice.
True enough. But the modern crop of first-tier VCSen – Bazaar, Git,
For a single user,
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant
jeanmic...@sequans.com wrote:
For a single user, there would be no merge issue. And svn is very simple to
use.
That would not be a such bad advice for a beginner with VCS systems.
As someone who for years had nightly backups and renamed
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant
jeanmic...@sequans.com wrote:
For a single user, there would be no merge issue. And svn is very simple to
use.
That would not be a such bad advice for a beginner with VCS systems.
As someone who for years had
Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com writes:
For a single user, there would be no merge issue.
Really? What about a single user with many computers and environments?
I find myself merging files on occasion because I edited them
separately and forgot to check in changes before doing more
Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com writes:
Ben Finney wrote:
Mercurial – are the ones to choose from. Anoyone recommending a VCS tool
that has poor merging support (such as Subversion or, heaven help us,
CVS) is doing the newcomer a disservice.
True enough. But the modern
Anssi Saari wrote:
Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com writes:
For a single user, there would be no merge issue.
Really? What about a single user with many computers and environments?
I find myself merging files on occasion because I edited them
separately and forgot to
Am 27.04.2011 13:17, schrieb Jean-Michel Pichavant:
You're mistaking, SVN is not restricted to solo work. However it's more
suitable for solo work than git.
Why?
I personally found hg much better than svn. That's why I migrated all my
projects.
Thomas
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On 04/27/2011 04:24 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote:
Ben Finney wrote:
Mercurial – are the ones to choose from. Anoyone
recommending a VCS tool that has poor merging support (such
as Subversion or, heaven help us, CVS) is doing the newcomer
a disservice.
True enough. But the modern crop of
Thomas Rachel writes:
Am 27.04.2011 13:17, schrieb Jean-Michel Pichavant:
You're mistaking, SVN is not restricted to solo work. However it's
more suitable for solo work than git.
Why?
I personally found hg much better than svn. That's why I migrated all
my projects.
Indeed. The only
I'm not a Pythonista, but I aspire to be.
My current tools:
Python, gvim, OS file system
My current practices:
When I write a Python app, I have several unorganized scripts in a
directory (usually with several named test1.py, test2.py, etc., from
random ideas I have tested), and maybe a
On Apr 26, 7:39 pm, snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I am aware of tools like version control systems, bug trackers, and
things like these, but I'm not really sure if I need them,
You either dont want version control
But if I ever made something worth releasing, and got a request
On 26/04/2011 14:39, snorble wrote:
cut explanation
I would strongly advice to get familiar with:
- Lint tools (like PyLint)
- Refactoring
- Source Control Systems (like Mercurial Hg)
- Unit Testing with Code Coverage
Followed by either writing your own toolset that integrates all of the
above
That's my Notebook/PC configuration and I'm user of Gentoo and Slackware.
* vi (not vim) for C/C++
* Eclipse for Java
* Wing IDE Professional (Python Editor);
* Django: Best framework for while in my opinion;
* tkinter, GTK and Qt;
* MySQL, PostgreSQL ;
* Rational Rose Modeler (very
When I said to studying two kind of Version Control. It is because I don't
know if you are already working with prgramming. So I think it is very
important you know how to work both ways of version control system.
You don't need to install both. Just read about one and work with other. For
snorble wrote:
I'm not a Pythonista, but I aspire to be.
My current tools:
Python, gvim, OS file system
My current practices:
When I write a Python app, I have several unorganized scripts in a
directory (usually with several named test1.py, test2.py, etc., from
random ideas I have tested),
Am 26.04.2011 16:39, schrieb snorble:
When I write a Python app, I have several unorganized scripts in a
directory (usually with several named test1.py, test2.py, etc., from
random ideas I have tested), and maybe a todo.txt file. Then I hack
away, adding features in a semi-random order. Then I
On Apr 26, 10:39 am, snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm not a Pythonista, but I aspire to be.
My current tools:
Python, gvim, OS file system
My current practices:
When I write a Python app, I have several unorganized scripts in a
directory (usually with several named test1.py,
I guess it depends on your project, but that sounds needlessly complex
and way too tough with a VCS. I'd say just don't go there.
(Whoops, I meant way too tough *without* a VCS, not with)
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On Wednesday 27 April 2011 03:59:25 Thomas Rachel wrote:
Am 26.04.2011 16:39, schrieb snorble:
When I write a Python app, I have several unorganized
I don't see how these tools will help to get up to date the
way you describe it - but all other issues are well coped
with using a VCS. I
On Wednesday 27 April 2011 04:31:19 CM wrote:
I guess it depends on your project, but that sounds
needlessly complex and way too tough with a VCS. I'd say
just don't go there.
(Whoops, I meant way too tough *without* a VCS, not with)
And read your own emails *before* sending them :)
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:39 AM, snorble snor...@hotmail.com wrote:
When I write a Python app, I have several unorganized scripts in a
directory (usually with several named test1.py, test2.py, etc., from
random ideas I have tested), and maybe a todo.txt file. ... The code is
usually out of
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant
jeanmic...@sequans.com wrote:
You can have a look at SVN and bugzilla, they are free SCM bug tracker
applications.
Make sure it's worth the pain though, these tools are not that easy to
administrate (the usage is pretty simple).
Am 26.04.2011 20:42, schrieb Algis Kabaila:
Thomas, have you tried bzr (Bazaar) and if so do you consider hg
(Mercurial) better?
I have played around with bzr, but afterwards more with hg which gave me
a better beeling (don't know why)...
Thomas
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Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes:
As other people have said, version control is very handy. I use git
myself, but imho the choice of _which_ VCS you use is far less
important than the choice of _whether_ to use one.
True enough. But the modern crop of first-tier VCSen – Bazaar, Git,
On Wednesday 27 April 2011 09:41:53 Ben Finney wrote:
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes:
As other people have said, version control is very handy. I
use git myself, but imho the choice of _which_ VCS you use
is far less important than the choice of _whether_ to use
one.
True
On 04/26/2011 01:42 PM, Algis Kabaila wrote:
Thomas, have you tried bzr (Bazaar) and if so do you consider hg
(Mercurial) better?
And why is it better? (bzr is widely used in ubuntu, which is
my favourite distro at present).
Each of the main 3 (bzr, hg, git) have advantages and
On Apr 27, 6:44 am, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote:
On 04/26/2011 01:42 PM, Algis Kabaila wrote:
Thomas, have you tried bzr (Bazaar) and if so do you consider hg
(Mercurial) better?
And why is it better? (bzr is widely used in ubuntu, which is
my favourite distro at
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the facts? Anyone with any experiences on this?
No experience, but I'm rather torn over Fossil. On the one hand, it
feels like NIH writ large; on the other hand, it's a DVCS with Trac-
like features in a standalone executable less than 1MB in size...by
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