On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:42 AM, random...@fastmail.us wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, at 02:43, Ian Kelly wrote:
What Internet standard is being violated by reflowing text content in
the message body?
Well, implicitly, text is only supposed to be reflowed when
format=flowed is in use, and
In a message of Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:35:15 -0700, Rustom Mody writes:
- I should not have to customize emacs so that CTRL/A, CTRL/E, CTRL/N, and
CTRL/P continue to work the way they've done since the mid-1970s.
etc etc
¹ emacs 18 dates from around 1992 (!!)
No,
On 29Jul2015 18:32, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
In a message of Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:35:15 -0700, Rustom Mody writes:
- I should not have to customize emacs so that CTRL/A, CTRL/E, CTRL/N, and
CTRL/P continue to work the way they've done since the mid-1970s.
etc etc
On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 6:15:56 AM UTC+5:30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 29Jul2015 18:32, Laura Creighton wrote:
These control characters are the very basic move characters in emacs.
People have always been free to remap them if they want them to do
something else, but waking up in the
On 29Jul2015 10:51, random...@fastmail.us random...@fastmail.us wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, at 07:48, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
At first, there was only the machine language. Assembly languages
introduced mnemonics for the weaklings who couldn't remember the
opcodes by heart.
To be fair, x86 is
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, at 07:48, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
At first, there was only the machine language. Assembly languages
introduced mnemonics for the weaklings who couldn't remember the
opcodes by heart.
To be fair, x86 is also a particularly terrible example of a machine
language, from the
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, random...@fastmail.us wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, at 07:48, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
At first, there was only the machine language. Assembly languages
introduced mnemonics for the weaklings who couldn't remember the
opcodes by heart.
To be fair, x86 is also a
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, at 02:43, Ian Kelly wrote:
What Internet standard is being violated by reflowing text content in
the message body?
Well, implicitly, text is only supposed to be reflowed when
format=flowed is in use, and only then when each physical line of the
file ends with a space
A bizarre current gnus sob-story brought me back to this thread:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2015-07/msg00738.html
Starts here
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2015-07/msg00591.html
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:13:17 PM UTC+5:30, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com:
Emacs tries to be absolutely everything, not just editing text files;
that's why it's big.
I use emacs for most of my text inputting needs. Sometimes I even use it
to type in web forms (prepare it in emacs and copy the text over into
the form).
I'm typing now.
In a message of Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:58:08 -, Grant Edwards writes:
You use mutt or something else decent as your MUA.
I do -- the problem is all the gmail users out there.
Laura
--
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com:
Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a 'general
purpose programming language' is too general and by pretending to
solve all problems actually solves none (until you hire a programmer).
Emacs isn't too general. It's just right.
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com:
You are being obtuse Marko!
Yeah that 'M-' is what everyone calls Alt can be conveyed in a few
seconds
Often Alt doesn't work. For example, the stupid GUI thinks it can
intercept some Alt key combinations. Then, it's good to know the ESC
prefix functions as
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:13:17 PM UTC+5:30, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
Rustom Mody writes:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
What would you like to achieve, exactly?
Some attitude correction?
With all respect, take your own advice. And use an
On Jul 25, 2015 4:51 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Laura Creighton l...@openend.se writes:
So it was my fault by sending him a reply with to the far left.
No, it was Google Mail's failt for messing with the content of the
message.
Never forget that these services are
On 25Jul2015 22:43, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 25, 2015 4:51 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Laura Creighton l...@openend.se writes:
So it was my fault by sending him a reply with to the far left.
No, it was Google Mail's failt for messing with the content
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote:
- What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
Now you're inventing things.
No, but it's LISP rather than Emacs that calls it that. And it dates
back to an assembly language opcode. Why that got
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Rustom Mody :
Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a 'general
purpose programming language' is too general and by pretending to
solve all problems actually solves none (until you hire a
On 26/07/2015 07:15, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing feeling
that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote:
- What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
Now you're inventing things.
No, but it's LISP rather than Emacs that calls it that.
You'd have to get into programming
Rustom Mody writes:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
What would you like to achieve, exactly?
Some attitude correction?
With all respect, take your own advice. And use an editor that works for
you.
That emacs starts its tutorial showing how to use C-p
Jussi Piitulainen jpiit...@ling.helsinki.fi:
I suppose early hackers were also incredibly tolerant of obscure names
in general.
At first, there was only the machine language. Assembly languages
introduced mnemonics for the weaklings who couldn't remember the
opcodes by heart.
(Playing cards
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 01:50:21 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Rustom Mody :
Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a
'general purpose programming language' is too general and by
pretending to solve all
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 04:43 pm, Ian Kelly wrote:
I'm also skeptical that this was caused by Gmail, which I've never
seen do this and did not do this when I tried to repro it just now.
Also, unless I'm misinterpreting the headers of the message in
question, it appears to have been sent via
Chris Angelico writes:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
- What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
Now you're inventing things.
No, but it's LISP rather than Emacs that calls it that. And it dates
back to an assembly language opcode. Why that got
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 12:25:42 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Chris Angelico:
Emacs tries to be absolutely everything, not just editing text files;
that's why it's big.
I use emacs for most of my text inputting needs. Sometimes I even use it
to type in web forms (prepare it in
On 26Jul2015 09:02, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
In a message of Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:58:08 -, Grant Edwards writes:
You use mutt or something else decent as your MUA.
I do -- the problem is all the gmail users out there.
Take heart - gmail used to do much worse than this:-)
On 26/07/2015 10:21, alister wrote:
emacs is a great operating system - the only thing it lacks is a good
text editor ;-)
notepad
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.
Mark Lawrence
--
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing
feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
I don't understand.
Why do your students even _know_ (let alone care!) what editor you
use?
I admit it was
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:34:30 +0200,
Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
Gmail eats Python. We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque
which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
WhateverErrorPythonGivesYouWhenYouTryThisWithScalars
On 2015-07-26, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
In a message of Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:58:08 -, Grant Edwards writes:
You use mutt or something else decent as your MUA.
I do -- the problem is all the gmail users out there.
So am I, and I use mutt as my MUA pretty much exclusively. [I
And for those interested in how I received Laura's message (the one I
replied to):
---cut here---start--
Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
From: Laura Creighton l...@openend.se
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.python.general
Subject: Re: scalar vs array
On 2015-07-26, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Well Almost.
Emacs used to stand for Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping
At a time when 8 MB was large. Is it today?
So let me ask you:
[...]
If you have one
On 26/07/2015 16:59, Rustom Mody wrote:
So while emacs makes everything else look rather puerile, setting it up
is such a bitch that last python course I just switched to idle.
Must admit it was more pleasant than I expected.
Except that sometimes we need C and C++ and assembly and haskell and
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:59 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
Its 2015 now and any ½ decent teacher of programming, writes programs in
front of the class.
Yeah, but the fully decent teachers prepare before hand, so the students
don't have to wait while they type out the (buggy) program in front of
them.
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:11:04 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:59 am, Rustom Mody wrote:
Its 2015 now and any ½ decent teacher of programming, writes programs in
front of the class.
Yeah, but the fully decent teachers prepare before hand, so the students
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing
feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
I don't understand.
Why do your students even
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 25Jul2015 22:43, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 25, 2015 4:51 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Laura Creighton l...@openend.se writes:
So it was my fault by sending him a reply with
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:15:29 AM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing
feeling
On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 11:35:02 AM UTC-5, Laura Creighton wrote:
How do you teach gmail not to reflow what it thinks of as
'other people's quoted text'?
My simple solution is to bulk replace with py .
Also has the benefit of differentiating between languages
when a proper tag is used.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
So while emacs makes everything else look rather puerile, setting it up
is such a bitch that last python course I just switched to idle.
Must admit it was more pleasant than I expected.
Except that sometimes we need C
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing
feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
On Jul 25, 2015 8:36 AM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
Ow! Gmail is understanding the I stuck in as 'this is from the
python console as a quoting marker and thinks it can reflow that.
You didn't use in the email that I saw. That's actually three levels of
quoting: one added in your
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 11:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing feeling
that my students are getting fedup with it (and me). Used Idle for my last
python
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Well Almost.
Emacs used to stand for Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping
At a time when 8 MB was large. Is it today?
So let me ask you:
Do you not use ½ dozen (at least) languages?
And their interpreters (when they
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 02:34 am, Laura Creighton wrote:
Gmail eats Python.
We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
WhateverErrorPythonGivesYouWhenYouTryThisWithScalars
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 03:47 am, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
Just in case anyone cares, Gnus shows me those indentations as octal
codes, \302\240\302\240 (followed by one ASCII space). I guess a
\302\240 is a NO-BREAK SPACE in UTF-8, and I guess Gnus does not know
this because there is no charset
Marko Rauhamaa writes:
Jussi Piitulainen writes:
Just in case anyone cares, Gnus shows me those indentations as octal
codes, \302\240\302\240 (followed by one ASCII space). I guess a
\302\240 is a NO-BREAK SPACE in UTF-8, and I guess Gnus does not know
this because there is no charset
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years. And I have the increasing feeling
that my students are getting fedup with it (and me). Used Idle for my last
python
course without too much grief. If only it were an option
Laura Creighton writes:
In a message of Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:52:38 +0300, Jussi Piitulainen writes:
Jussi Piitulainen writes:
Has the world adopted UTF-8 as the default charset now or what?
(I'll be only glad to hear that it has, if it has, but a reference
to some sort of internet standard
On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 10:31:20 AM UTC+5:30, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
Marko Rauhamaa writes:
Jussi Piitulainen writes:
Just in case anyone cares, Gnus shows me those indentations as octal
codes, \302\240\302\240 (followed by one ASCII space). I guess a
\302\240 is a NO-BREAK
Steven D'Aprano writes:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 03:47 am, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
Just in case anyone cares, Gnus shows me those indentations as octal
codes, \302\240\302\240 (followed by one ASCII space). I guess a
\302\240 is a NO-BREAK SPACE in UTF-8, and I guess Gnus does not know
this
In a message of Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:51:49 -0500, Zachary Ware writes:
On Jul 25, 2015 11:35 AM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
Gmail eats Python.
We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
Zachary Ware writes:
On Jul 25, 2015 11:35 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
Gmail eats Python.
We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
WhateverErrorPythonGivesYouWhenYouTryThisWithScalars
Gmail eats Python.
We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
WhateverErrorPythonGivesYouWhenYouTryThisWithScalars:
whatever_you_want_to_do_when_this_happens
Ow! Gmail is understanding the I stuck
On Jul 25, 2015 11:35 AM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
Gmail eats Python.
We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
WhateverErrorPythonGivesYouWhenYouTryThisWithScalars
Jussi Piitulainen writes:
Zachary Ware writes:
[snip what I quoted from him]
Oh well - Gnus made me go through some hoops to send the characters that
were in the unknown-to-it encoding, and then mangled them. This is what
I had added:
Just in case anyone cares, Gnus shows me those
In a message of Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:52:38 +0300, Jussi Piitulainen writes:
Jussi Piitulainen writes:
Has the world adopted UTF-8 as the default charset now or what? (I'll
be only glad to hear that it has, if it has, but a reference to some
sort of internet standard would be nice.)
I don't
Jussi Piitulainen jpiit...@ling.helsinki.fi:
  def test(): pass
  ...
  print('Hi world')
  Hi world
 Â
Just in case anyone cares, Gnus shows me those indentations as octal
codes, \302\240\302\240 (followed by one ASCII space). I guess a
\302\240 is a NO-BREAK SPACE in
On Jul 25, 2015 2:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote:
(It's another question what place text/html has on this forum in the
first place.)
If the gmail app on my phone had the option, I'd only send the plain text.
As is, I'm just glad it does send a plain text version :)
--
Zach
(On a
On 2015-07-25, Jussi Piitulainen jpiit...@ling.helsinki.fi wrote:
Just in case anyone cares, Gnus shows me those indentations as octal
codes, \302\240\302\240 (followed by one ASCII space). I guess a
\302\240 is a NO-BREAK SPACE in UTF-8, and I guess Gnus does not know
this because there is no
Laura Creighton l...@openend.se writes:
So it was my fault by sending him a reply with to the far left.
No, it was Google Mail's failt for messing with the content of the
message.
Never forget that these services are meant to serve us. When they fail
to do so because they're violating
Zachary Ware zachary.ware+pyl...@gmail.com writes:
If the gmail app on my phone had the option, I'd only send the plain
text.
Isn't that a good reason to avoid composing email messages on a program
that lacks the correct capability?
If the GMail app lacks the ability to send plain text, there
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Zachary Ware zachary.ware+pyl...@gmail.com writes:
If the gmail app on my phone had the option, I'd only send the plain
text.
Isn't that a good reason to avoid composing email messages on a program
that lacks the
On 2015-07-25, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
Gmail eats Python.
We just saw this mail back from Sebastian Luque which says in part:
try: all_your_code_which_is_happy_with_non_scalars except
WhateverErrorPythonGivesYouWhenYouTryThisWithScalars
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