Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread PythonAB
On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB pyt...@rgbaz.eu wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Steve Simmons
On 21/02/2013 11:08, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB pyt...@rgbaz.eu wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. you can -- MIT/BSD/public domain etc. provide much more freedom to the developer. (And I prefer freedom for the developer over the guarantee (freedom or restriction -- call it as you wish) that nobody may lock down a copy of the

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Robert Kern
On 2013-02-21 10:18, Steve Simmons wrote: On 21/02/2013 11:08, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB pyt...@rgbaz.eu wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, The situation has not substantively changed, but your description of it is not really accurate. There was and still is a commercial license which allows for completely proprietary development without needing to allow end users to relink the application against user-supplied versions of

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Robert Kern
On 2013-02-21 17:05, Roland Koebler wrote: Hi, The situation has not substantively changed, but your description of it is not really accurate. There was and still is a commercial license which allows for completely proprietary development without needing to allow end users to relink the

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, That way of building a window tends to produce programs that port badly to other systems. hmm, I don't think so. I've build several applications in C + GTK/Glade and Python + GTK/Glade, which easily run on Linux and Windows without any GUI changes. playing with Java applets introduced

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Phil Thompson
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:34:50 +0100, Roland Koebler r.koeb...@yahoo.de ... [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does not

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Roland Koebler r.koeb...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, That way of building a window tends to produce programs that port badly to other systems. hmm, I don't think so. I've build several applications in C + GTK/Glade and Python + GTK/Glade, which easily run on Linux

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, I agree that on Linux GTK is pretty darn slick. I use it for all my little GUIs. But on Windows, GTK, particularly under python, isn't quite as easy to get running. installing GTK+ 2.x should be easy, since there are all-in-one-installers for windows on http://www.gtk.org (for GTK+) and

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does not have such a container-concept, where many widgets (e.g. buttons,

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Phil Thompson
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:42:48 +0100, Roland Koebler r.koeb...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi Phil, In Qt Designer (at least in 4.x), the default is a fixed layout, where I have to position the widgets at precise pixel-positions and have to define the size in pixels. And I cannot remove the default fixed layout without modifying the .ui-file in a text editor! I'm sorry but

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Laszlo Nagy gand...@shopzeus.com wrote: You have to think about your window differently - think about what you're putting where, rather than going visually that looks about right - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you run your app. As

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Laszlo Nagy
You have to think about your window differently - think about what you're putting where, rather than going visually that looks about right - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you run your app. As an added bonus, you don't need any sort of graphical builder; you can just

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 2/19/13 5:19 PM, Rex Macey wrote: I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Tkinter is so easy to use to build GUI's that a GUI tool isn't needed. Hardly any Tk or Tkinter developer uses

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Dietmar Schwertberger
Am 19.02.2013 23:19, schrieb Rex Macey: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. There are GUI builders, but unfortunately there's

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. --

Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Rex Macey
I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter,

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 19/02/2013 22:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Rex Macey xer0...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Rex Macey xer0...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Phil
On 20/02/13 08:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Miki Tebeka
I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. IIRC the Qt builder can generate Python code. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread duncan smith
On 19/02/13 22:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. yes, there are

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/19/2013 07:53 PM, Roland Koebler wrote: Hi, I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Steve Simmons
On 19/02/2013 23:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to