On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:50:22 GMT
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is almost like providing ladders and setting out cookies and milk
for the burglars.
Fire escapes at christmas.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rethink what you are saying. You'll see that what you propose as
reasons for one, is actually for the other.
Nonsense. It is plain error to change what someone said and claim they
said it, even if you think that what you
In comp.lang.java.programmer Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or
quoted:
Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are there any examples of HTML email causing security problems - outside
of Microsoft's software?
There was a pretty good one that went something like
Click this
In comp.lang.java.programmer Ross Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
Roedy, I would just _love_ to see the response from the industry when you
tell them they should dump their whole mail infrastructure, and switch
over to a whole new system (new protocols, new security holes, new
Gordon Burditt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
Before worrying about the possible bugs in the implementations,
worry about security issues present in the *DESIGN*. Email ought
to be usable to carry out a conversation *SAFELY* with some person out
to get you. Thus features like this are
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:12:23 GMT, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
- Any ability to automatically generate hits on sender-specified
servers when the email is read.
I hadn't though of that one. As well as use in DDOS attacks, that
can help let spammers know if they have reached
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:59:47 GMT, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Essentially, IM can do pretty-much everything email can these days, but
the reverse is not true at all.
The problem with IM is the various IM schemes don't talk to each
other. You need a client that knows all the
Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In comp.lang.java.programmer Ross Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
About all email has going for it these days is an open format and a
large existing user base.
Yeah, and all that Windows has going for it is being on 9X% of the
desktops. Nothing
Just passin' through
Xah Lee, on Aug 22, 2:43 pm wrote:
Unix, RFC, and Line Truncation
[snippage]
There is no reason for a paragraph encoding to be splattered with end
of line characters, nor the human labor expended. There is reason for
paragraphs to be displayed not too wide, and that is
Xah Lee, on Aug 22, 2:43 pm wrote:
Unix, RFC, and Line Truncation
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/truncate_line.html
Steve wrote:
I've seen this argument before. There's at least one VERY good reason
to hard-code linebreaks in text: to preserve a covert channel. It's
really easy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote:
On 16 Oct 2005 00:31:38 GMT, John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:24:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote or
quoted :
I try to explain Java each day both on my website on the plaintext
only newsgroups. It is so much easier to get my point across in HTML.
How about pdf?
End users HATE PDF. Why?
It takes so long for the reader
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
End users HATE PDF. Why?
It takes so long for the reader to load.
xpdf comes up almost instantly here. Maybe end users should
consider finding a better PDF reader.
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Your correction is 100% correct and 0% helpful. Well done!
--Richard Heathfield
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On 16 Oct 2005 00:31:38 GMT, John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
I think e-mail should be text only.
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
3. You don't have to guess what the end user will see.
If you include the fonts, which makes big documents which slows down
the loading and rendering... I've seen quite a number of PDF that are
ill-rendered or not rendered at all.
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You cannot really
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:24:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote or
quoted :
How about pdf?
My complaint with it is it is Adobe proprietary. This make the tools
very expensive.
No, it isn't. The standard is publicly available, so anyone can
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Jeff Poskanzer, now *he* has a spam problem. He gets a few million
spams a day: URL: http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ .
It is a bit
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
I think e-mail should be text only.
I think that is a useful base standard, which allows easy creation of
ad-hoc tools to search and extract data
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
I think e-mail should be text only.
I think that is a useful base standard, which allows easy creation
But HTML is not the problem!
Right, it's what the HTML-interpreting engines might do that is
the problem.
You mean the same problem as for example using a very long header in
your email to cause a buffer overflow? That is possible with plain
ASCII, and has been done.
Before worrying about
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
But HTML is not the problem!
Right, it's what the HTML-interpreting engines might do that is
the problem.
You mean the same problem as for example using a very long header in
your email to cause a buffer overflow? That is possible with plain
ASCII,
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:04:14 GMT
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:42:18 +0200, Stefaan A Eeckels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
I don't understand that attitude. Don't we want email that has
dancing bears, cute little videos, musical tunes, animated waving
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
The technial problems have been solved for over a decade. NeXT shipped
systems that used text/richtext,
1. flipping to a digital id based email system so that the sender of
any piece of mail can be legally identified and prosecuted.
If every piece of anonymous email disappeared that would go a long
way to clearing up spam. Let those sending ransom notes, death
threats and hate mail use snail
Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are there any examples of HTML email causing security problems - outside
of Microsoft's software?
There was a pretty good one that went something like
Click this link to download latest security patch!
a href=http://www.mxx.com.Microsoft
Not so: you disable Java, Javascript and plugins. You leave the ability
to format, colour and hint documents. This is not /that/ difficult.
Don't forget disabling Unicode.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/02/15/firefox_to_disable_idn_support_as_phishing_defense.html
--
Richie
Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not so: you disable Java, Javascript and plugins. You leave the ability
to format, colour and hint documents. This is not /that/ difficult.
Don't forget disabling Unicode.
To kill web bugs, you have to turn off images, and anything else that
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hello? I don't think that should make any difference. I should be able
to visit absolutely any website on the Internet without any danger to my
computer or the data stored on it. Any browser which allows otherwise
has a bug. Javascript is not
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Thunderbird is nice that way. You can tell it to render HTML by default,
and even images if they're included in the body of the e-mail, but tell
it to NOT render anything which requires connections to external servers
unless you click a Show Images
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:32:03 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
That won't prevent phishing, that will just raise the threshhold a
little. The first hurdle you have to get past is that most mail agents
want to show a human name, not some random collection of symbols that
map to
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:13:28 GMT, Keith Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
A partial solution to spam, or at least to pollution of Usenet
newsgroups, would be to STOP POSTING THIS STUFF TO NEWSGROUPS WHERE
IT'S NOT RELEVANT.
Technically yes. But those folk in the appropriate newsgroups
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:17:45 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
No, that's what makes email a vector for infection. What makes using
the address book - for whatever purpose - possible for viruses is
having an API that allows arbitrary code to access it. But you have to
have
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:43:56 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Yup, you solved an easy problem - designing a spam-proof email
system. That's been done any number of times. The hard part is a
deployment strategy that will actually get the world to transition to
such a system.
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Next Mr. Phish had to present his passport etc when he got his Thawte
ID. Now Interpol has a much better handle on putting him in jail.
He can't repudiate his phishing attempt.
Any underage drinker in a college town can tell you a hundred ways to
get
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:04:17 +0100, //[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Next Mr. Phish had to present his passport etc when he got his Thawte
ID. Now Interpol has a much better handle on putting him in jail.
He can't repudiate his phishing attempt.
Any underage
In comp.lang.perl.misc Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:17:45 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
No, that's what makes email a vector for infection. What makes using
the address book - for whatever purpose - possible for viruses is
having an API that allows
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:32:03 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
That won't prevent phishing, that will just raise the threshhold a
little. The first hurdle you have to get past is that most mail agents
want to show a human name, not some
Hello? I don't think that should make any difference. I should be able
to visit absolutely any website on the Internet without any danger to my
computer or the data stored on it. Any browser which allows otherwise
has a bug.
Then Javascript *as a language* is a bug.
Javascript is not inherently
Roedy Green wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Jeff Poskanzer, now *he* has a spam problem. He gets a few million
spams a day: URL: http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ .
It is a bit like termites. If we don't
On Wednesday 12 October 2005 04:37 pm, Roedy Green wrote:
It is a bit like termites. If we don't do something drastic to deal
with spam, the ruddy things will eventually make the entire Internet
unusable.
the three keys to me are:
1. flipping to a digital id based email system so that the
Gordon Burditt wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Does the language allow Javascript to open a new window? Does the
language allow Javascript to trigger a function when a window is
closed? I believe the answer to both questions is YES. Then it
is possible to have a page that pops up two
Brendan Guild [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This was a problem, but modern browsers implement Javascript in such a
way that it requires permission from the user before it will open a new
window.
Not really true, it's easy to defeat that, and also generally the
pop-up blocker only blocks
Does the language allow Javascript to open a new window? Does the
language allow Javascript to trigger a function when a window is
closed? I believe the answer to both questions is YES. Then it
is possible to have a page that pops up two windows whenever you
close one.
This was a problem,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) writes:
I'm not sure that you can disable Javascript from reading cookies
from other sites while allowing Javascript to read cookies from the
site it came from on all browsers.
Javascript is not supposed to be able to read cross-site cookies.
It's bad but
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Next Mr. Phish had to present his passport etc when he got his Thawte
ID. Now Interpol has a much better handle on putting him in jail.
He can't repudiate his phishing attempt.
Brendan Guild [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
2. flipping to a sender pays system so that the Internet does not
subsidise spam.
This is very promising. Our ISPs should put limits on how much email we
can send. The limits should be rather insane, nothing that any
nonspammer would ever come close
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:27:30 +, axel wrote:
I don't know how much spam other people receive but on one account I
hardly receive any as I reserve it for friends and business. On another
I had about 40 spam messages which took all of ten seconds to
Casper H.S. Dik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can I remind you that spam is approximately 70% of all email traffic these
days? Most of that is blocked by the ISPs, but even so you are obviously
one of the lucky few.
95% - 99% of all email, not 70% (just ask
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Jeff Poskanzer, now *he* has a spam problem. He gets a few million
spams a day: URL: http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ .
It is a bit like termites. If we don't do something drastic to deal
with spam, the ruddy
On 12 Oct 2005 01:43:32 GMT, John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth.
:-)
I did write him, snail mail, and he responded giving us permission to
rewrite any of the algorithms in his famous set of books in to Java.
--
Canadian Mind
On 09 Oct 2005 14:06:20 -0700, Paul Rubin
http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
That's the worst of all. I certainly don't want my mail reader
opening network connections to arbitrary places when I read my mail.
I have no willingness at all to reveal my mail reading habits or IP
address to
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:53:52 +0200, Dr.Ruud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote or quoted :
Don't think that that is true for everybody. For example not for people
that are behind central filters that already cope with common spam.
The variants of the Nigerian spam are getting cleverer and cleverer to
get
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted:
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Read my essay.
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:58:42 +1000, Steven D'Aprano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
Sheesh Roedy, to listen to you go anyone would think that human
communication was impossible before HTML email was invented.
People got along fine wearing untanned moosehides too. I don't see
any advantage
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:44:22 GMT, Roedy Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Obviously you can't trust anything code-like that arrives from
strangers. It is an extension of the law Mommy laid down not to take
candy from strangers.
However, formatted text is not code. Pictures are not code. It
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:49:32 +1000, Steven D'Aprano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
Oh gosh, pictures of a new house. Why didn't you say so??? If you're
sending pictures named my_new_house1.jpg etc then OF COURSE they have
to be imbedded in a HTML email, otherwise how could anyone know what
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:42:18 +0200, Stefaan A Eeckels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
I don't understand that attitude. Don't we want email that has dancing
bears, cute little videos, musical tunes, animated waving hands, sixty
fonts, and looks like it's been done with crayolas? Good
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:06:34 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Nah, I've just know people who spend a lot of time - and money -
dealing with spam, and we've discussed these issues at great
length. You haven't proposed anything that hasn't been proposed
before, and rejected for
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:42:02 +0200, Stefaan A Eeckels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
http://mindprod.com/projects.html/mailreadernewsreader.html
It's gone :-)
arghh. try http://mindprod.com/projects/mailreadernewsreader.html
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:33:43 +1000, Steven D'Aprano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
...is pretty confusing - because public key is a term with a technical
meaning in cryptography - and a public key really *is* public.
The term you want is wrong, not confusing.
In encryption the key you
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
The downside is that I have no idea how many people try to contact me
out of the blue, or from an address other than the one I sent mail to,
but don't bother to answer the response.
This is why I wanted a
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Right. Nobody sends email to addresses that come off business cards,
or off a web site, or
Nowadays website email addresses are becoming rarer. Instead you fill
in a form to initiate your conversation.
In a
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:04:49 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon
Burditt) wrote or quoted :
Read my essay.
http://mindprod.com/projects.html/mailreadernewsreader.html
I talk around those problems.
It requires a fresh start.
that should read:
http://mindprod.com/projects/mailreadernewsreader.html
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:04:49 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon
Burditt) wrote or quoted :
I think one necessary function of email and USENET is that it should
allow you to SAFELY communicate with strangers or, worse, people
you know but do not trust at all,
Yes, but with spam ANY communication
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:19:46 +1000, Steven D'Aprano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
Likewise I avoid emails that are broken. If it looks like it will contain
web-bugs, javascript exploits, or badly formatted unreadable text, then I
avoid any mail client that can't display it in plain text.
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:35:58 -0700, Alan Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote or quoted :
And they don't know about attachments?
Attachments are geeky kludge.
--
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http://mindprod.com Again taking new Java programming contracts.
--
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:28:04 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
What makes you think I don't have a copy of Opera? Just so happens
I've got a registred copy on my newest computer.
Then try out the feature. Click View | style | user
My copy of Opera doesn't have that menu
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:32:07 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Formatted spam can include pictures of words. That's a common spam
tactic - send a multipart/alternative with a text part that look like
a letter from aunt jane - and mention that you're sending a
picture. The
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:46:12 +, Tim Tyler wrote:
Viruses can mail out change of address messages to everyone in the
compromised machine's address book today.
Of course, viruses don't bother doing that - since it's stupid and
pointless.
If you've compromised someone's machine there
However, formatted text is not code.
HTML is much more than formatted text.
Pictures are not code. It is
unfair to tar them with the brush of JavaScript or the goofy things
Outlook does with enclosures.
If you take all the dangerous stuff out of HTML, like:
Links
Javascript
Roedy Green wrote:
snip stuff off topic for comp.lang.c
Can all of you please take comp.lang.c out of this thread (and all its
sub-threads, since it is totaly off topic and NONE of the people on this
thread are posting to anything else on comp.lang.c so I doubt any of you
are reading it here.
I think e-mail should be text only.
What if, instead of that crap Outlook produces, which is a mishmash of
malformed html, Javascript viruses, self-installing enclosures etc.
It were replaced by a rich text that were something like a CSS-style
HTML, validated, and preparsed, and compacted for
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:06:34 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Nah, I've just know people who spend a lot of time - and money -
dealing with spam, and we've discussed these issues at great
length. You haven't proposed anything that hasn't
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:32:07 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Formatted spam can include pictures of words. That's a common spam
tactic - send a multipart/alternative with a text part that look like
a letter from aunt jane - and mention
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
The downside is that I have no idea how many people try to contact me
out of the blue, or from an address other than the one I sent mail to,
but don't bother to answer the
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
You don't need 100% spam blocking to effectively solve the spam
problem. You just have to make spam uneconomic.
There are good reasons to doubt this. Most notably, there's
uOn Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:02:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Hansen)
wrote or quoted :
Summary: a buffer overflow problem in Microsoft's JPEG redering
library, used my almost all Windoze email and web clients, would allow
an attacker to execute any arbitrary code he wished on your computer
simply
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:27:26 +0100, Roedy Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:04:49 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon
Burditt) wrote or quoted :
I think one necessary function of email and USENET is that it should
allow you to SAFELY communicate with strangers or, worse,
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:46:12 GMT, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Viruses can mail out change of address messages to everyone in the
compromised machine's address book today.
Of course, viruses don't bother doing that - since it's stupid and
pointless.
A virus is interested in
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:12:46 +1000, Steven D'Aprano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted :
Suppose I wanted to gather industrial espionage about, oh, say Roedy
Green. If my virus could impersonate him, I could tell everyone in sight
that his email has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or wherever). I
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12 Oct 2005 01:43:32 GMT, John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth.
:-)
I did write him, snail mail, and he responded giving us permission to
rewrite any of the algorithms in his famous
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
Especially with spam, there are no perfect solutions, but at least we
could do many times better than what we are living with and put the
spammers out of business.
A partial solution to spam, or at least to pollution of Usenet
newsgroups, would be to
Links
Javascript
Forms
References to other files
the only piece of that particularly dangerous is JavaScript. So long
as you have a scheme to unmask where links are really going links are
no more dangerous than they are in browser.
Browsers don't read unsolicited web
I would say by extrapolating the problem of spam and snooping that the
next level of email software needs to concentrate on the following:
1. routine and transparent encryption.
OK, but the Feds are really going to hate that.
2. making spam no longer economic. Blocking all spam is, even in
Keith Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are several newsgroups that deal with e-mail abuse. This
discussion isn't being posted to any of them. Please stop.
This just adds to the noise, and isn't going to work. Just kill the entire
thread.
--
John Small Perl
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:46:12 GMT, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
or quoted :
Viruses can mail out change of address messages to everyone in the
compromised machine's address book today.
Of course, viruses don't bother doing that - since it's stupid
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
3. prevent phishing. When PayPal sends you an email, you want to know
for sure it really is from PayPal. This means corporate users at
least will all have digital ids, and all emails will be digitally
signed.
That won't prevent phishing, that will just
In comp.lang.perl.misc Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HTML is a problem on *other* peoples crappy software as well. It
wasn't designed to carry code content, but has been hacked up to do
that.
It seems to me it goes without saying that you cannot trust code from
strangers, especially
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know how much spam other people receive but on one account I
hardly receive any as I reserve it for friends and business. On another
I had about 40 spam messages which took all of ten seconds to delete.
Hardly a serious matter.
You don't have a spam problem.
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:27:30 +, axel wrote:
I don't know how much spam other people receive but on one account I
hardly receive any as I reserve it for friends and business. On another
I had about 40 spam messages which took all of ten seconds to delete.
Hardly a serious matter.
Can I
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:27:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or
quoted :
This would slow them down with requests for permission to send. they
could send only one per certificate. The cost and hassle of getting
the certificate could deter tem, and uniquely identify them for
blocking and public
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth.
:-)
--
John Small Perl scripts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
I ploink
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth.
Good luck. Prof. Knuth stopped reading email years before there was a
big spam problem. He uses his own version of hashcash to cut down on
unimportant mail: if you want to write to him, you have to
Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth.
Good luck. Prof. Knuth stopped reading email years before there was a
big spam problem.
Not entirely true:
My secretary prints out all messages
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:33:13 GMT, Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote or quoted :
What the hell has that got to do with HTML email? Sending photos
is an example of what attachments are for.
Normally you send photos to grandma with captions under each
In comp.lang.perl.misc John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roedy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8 Oct 2005 23:39:27 GMT, John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or
quoted :
Yeah, yeah, and 640K is enough for everybody. Same song, different tune.
For how long. Surely attachments are a stop
In comp.lang.perl.misc Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In comp.lang.java.programmer Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or
quoted:
Only if your photos are so obscure and confusing that they need captions.
Here's Johnny with the dog. Here is Johnny with the dog again. This one
is
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:43:12 GMT, Roedy Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:57:13 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon
Burditt) wrote or quoted :
HTML enables a heck of a lot of problems: web bugs in email,
links to fake sites that appear as real ones in what shows up
on the
On 9 Oct 2005 13:12:43 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My grandma doesn't put captions in her photo album,
and she doesn't need captions on her photos in email.
She doesn't need captions in the album because she will explain the
pictures, at length, every single one of them, to anyone who
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:03:05 +0200, Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any case, html email is here to stay. Or perhaps I should remove html
and say richly formatted, whatever that might mean in the future.
But trying to keep your email world into a pure text-based
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