Am 04.08.2012 15:53, schrieb Stefan Behnel:
So, if a C++ compiler takes a .c file and compiles it with C language
semantics, it doesn't qualify as a C compiler? That implies a rather weird
definition of a C compiler, I'd say.
I'd say that even a brainfuck compiler compiling a .py file with C
On 8/4/2012 7:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:38:33 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't
alex23, 06.08.2012 05:40:
On Aug 4, 4:15 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
But the Python ecosystem is a lot bigger than just those four. Here are
just a few other implementations that you might be interested in:
There's also HotPy:
Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 14:28:
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 07:46:59AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
None of the other implementations require Python for actually
compiling or running Python source.
Nuitka was on the list as well.
True, which I realized
Stefan Behnel, 05.08.2012 07:46:
Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
None of the other implementations require Python for actually
compiling or running Python source.
Nuitka was on the list as well.
Oh, and Stackless was also on Steven's list, as well as WPython. That means
that 50% of the
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 07:46:59AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 08:40:16AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
implementations:
And not
Mark Lawrence wrote:
With arrogance like that German by any chance?
Comments like that are not appropriate on this list. Please don't make
them.
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Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
With arrogance like that German by any chance?
Please keep derogatory national stereotypes off this forum and out of
our community. They are counter to our goals of diversity
URL:http://www.python.org/community/diversity/; you don't have to
On Aug 4, 4:15 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
But the Python ecosystem is a lot bigger than just those four. Here are
just a few other implementations that you might be interested in:
There's also HotPy:
http://code.google.com/p/hotpy/
http://www.hotpy.org/
Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
implementations:
CPython, or just Python, the reference implementation written in C.
IronPython, written in .NET.
Jython, written in Java.
PyPy, the optimizing implementation written in Python (actually, it's
written in a subset of
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
CLPython, an implementation of Python written in Common Lisp.
Berp - a compiler which works by translating Python to Haskell and
compiling that.
Okay. WHY? CLPython gives some reason, but how often do
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
implementations:
CPython, or just Python, the reference implementation written in C.
IronPython, written in .NET.
Jython, written in Java.
PyPy, the optimizing implementation written in
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:40:16 +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that
is widely used. Compiles and optimises Python to C code that uses the
CPython runtime and allows for easy manual optimisations to get C-like
performance out of it.
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 09:49:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:40:16 +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that
is widely used. Compiles and optimises Python to C code that uses the
CPython runtime and allows for easy manual optimisations to
On 04/08/2012 08:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:40:16 +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that
is widely used. Compiles and optimises Python to C code that uses the
CPython runtime and allows for easy manual
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:34:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
CLPython, an implementation of Python written in Common Lisp.
Berp - a compiler which works by translating Python to Haskell and
compiling
Mark Lawrence, 04.08.2012 12:05:
I agree so it's off topic and can't be discussed here. Isn't that right,
Stefan?
Hmm, in case you are referring to a recent friendly and diplomatic request
of mine regarding a couple of people who were burdening a public high
volume mailing list with a purely
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Who would want to deal with C's idiosyncrasies, low-powered explicit type
system, difficult syntax, and core-dumps, when you could use something
better?
In the free software world, apparently many people like C. C is also
quite
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 12:54:
Berp is based on the Glasgow Haskell Compiler, which is a modern,
efficient, optimizing compiler capable of producing excellent quality
machine code on Windows, Mac, Linux and many Unixes. It gives you all the
advantages of a high-level language with
Am 04.08.2012 11:10 schrieb Stefan Behnel:
As long as you don't use any features of the Cython language, it's plain
Python. That makes it a Python compiler in my eyes.
Tell that the C++ guys. C++ is mainly a superset of C. But nevertheless,
C and C++ are distinct languages and so are Python
The first time I did reply not 'reply all', so I'm posting again. ;-)
I think Cython is a Python implementation because you can only use the
Python features, not the extra features.
C++ is different because of the different rules (C was in a time of
assembly and costly computers, C++ was made in
Thomas Rachel, 04.08.2012 14:51:
Am 04.08.2012 11:10 schrieb Stefan Behnel:
As long as you don't use any features of the Cython language, it's plain
Python. That makes it a Python compiler in my eyes.
Tell that the C++ guys. C++ is mainly a superset of C. But nevertheless, C
and C++ are
Stefan Behnel, 04.08.2012 15:53:
Thomas Rachel, 04.08.2012 14:51:
Am 04.08.2012 11:10 schrieb Stefan Behnel:
As long as you don't use any features of the Cython language, it's plain
Python. That makes it a Python compiler in my eyes.
Tell that the C++ guys. C++ is mainly a superset of C. But
Stefan Krah stefan-use...@bytereef.org writes:
In the free software world, apparently many people like C. C is also
quite popular in the zero-fault software world: Several verification
tools do exist and Leroy et al. are writing a certified compiler for
C to plug the hole between the verified
Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 17:59:
Stefan Krah writes:
In the free software world, apparently many people like C. C is also
quite popular in the zero-fault software world: Several verification
tools do exist and Leroy et al. are writing a certified compiler for
C to plug the hole between the
Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de writes:
C is pretty poor as a compiler target: how would you translate Python
generators into C, for example?
Depends. If you have CPython available, that'd be a straight forward
extension type.
Calling CPython hardly counts as compiling Python into C.
For
On 04/08/2012 11:59, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Mark Lawrence, 04.08.2012 12:05:
I agree so it's off topic and can't be discussed here. Isn't that right,
Stefan?
Hmm, in case you are referring to a recent friendly and diplomatic request
of mine regarding a couple of people who were burdening a
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:24:12 +0100, Mark Lawrence
breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 04/08/2012 11:59, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Mark Lawrence, 04.08.2012 12:05:
I agree so it's off topic and can't be discussed here. Isn't that right,
Stefan?
Hmm, in case you are referring to a recent friendly
:
On 4 August 2012 14:24, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
With arrogance like that German by any chance?
I didn't give a monkeys about the beer conversation personally, but
can we leave the national stereotypes out of it?
-[]z.
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Subject: Re: On-topic: alternate Python implementations
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On 4 August 2012 14:24, Mark Lawrence breamore
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On 4 August 2012 14:50, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
No. Next question?
*plonk*
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Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 20:18:
Stefan Behnel writes:
C is pretty poor as a compiler target: how would you translate Python
generators into C, for example?
Depends. If you have CPython available, that'd be a straight forward
extension type.
Calling CPython hardly counts as compiling Python
On 04/08/2012 20:06, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 20:18:
Stefan Behnel writes:
C is pretty poor as a compiler target: how would you translate Python
generators into C, for example?
Depends. If you have CPython available, that'd be a straight forward
extension type.
Calling
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
implementations:
CPython, or just Python, the reference implementation written in C.
IronPython, written in .NET.
Technicality: .NET is not a language, it is a run-time
Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de writes:
Calling CPython hardly counts as compiling Python into C.
CPython is written in C, though. So anything that CPython does can be
done in C. It's not like the CPython project used a completely unusual
way of writing C code.
CPython is a relatively
Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 22:43:
Stefan Behnel writes:
Calling CPython hardly counts as compiling Python into C.
CPython is written in C, though. So anything that CPython does can be
done in C. It's not like the CPython project used a completely unusual
way of writing C code.
CPython is a
On Friday, August 3, 2012 11:15:20 PM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
WPython - another optimizing version of Python with wordcodes instead of
bytecodes.
http://code.google.com/p/wpython/
I remember reading about this a while ago. I thought this was eventually going
to be committed to
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 08:40:16AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
implementations:
And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that is
widely used. Compiles and
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:59:18 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
C isn't so great for high-assurance stuff either, compared to (say) Ada.
People do use it in critical apps, but that's just because it is (or
anyway used to be) so ubiquitous.
And then they are shocked, SHOCKED I say!, when their app has
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't apply,
offer the opportunity of big speedups for most code at the cost of
trivial slowdowns when
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:38:33 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't apply,
offer the opportunity of big speedups
Paul Rubin, 05.08.2012 03:38:
Steven D'Aprano writes:
Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't apply,
offer the opportunity of big speedups for most code at the cost of
trivial slowdowns when you do
Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 08:40:16AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
implementations:
And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that is
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