Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-14 Thread Ville Vainio
zsolt == pythonUser 07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: zsolt Python is great, but having much admin type experience, zsolt I've found python to be less than Ideal when dealing with zsolt system calls and standard Input Ouput. Have you tried the 'subprocess' module to see whether it solves

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-13 Thread Ville Vainio
beliavsky == beliavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: beliavsky The key difference between the Unix approach and the beliavsky MSH one is that rather than creating a pipeline based beliavsky on textual input and output, MSH passes data between beliavsky the various commandlets as

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-13 Thread Uwe Grauer
Kanthi Kiran Narisetti wrote: Hi All, Thank You for your suggestionsI request you all to eloborate the Uses(In Practical) for systems administrator.Some of my questions regarding the same follows. 1)Can i build web applications in Python ? If so how. I am planning to build a web

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-13 Thread pythonUser_07
Python is great, but having much admin type experience, I've found python to be less than Ideal when dealing with system calls and standard Input Ouput. For example, I've written complex tools that use perforce, I've taken advantage of both regular IO and the perforce marshalled IO. Under heavy

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-13 Thread Bryan
pythonUser_07 wrote: Python is great, but having much admin type experience, I've found python to be less than Ideal when dealing with system calls and standard Input Ouput. For example, I've written complex tools that use perforce, I've taken advantage of both regular IO and the perforce

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-13 Thread Greg Ewing
Peter Maas wrote: This is only true for trivial bash scripts. I have seen bash scripts which were quite hard to read especially for beginners. I've seen shell scripts which are quite hard to read even for experts! -- Greg Ewing, Computer Science Dept, University of Canterbury, Christchurch,

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Ville Vainio
Sizer == Sizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sizer Looking at my followup, I really didn't make it clear that Sizer you'll have to learn some bash scripting to be an effective Sizer *nix administrator, just because so many parts of the Sizer system use bash scripting. But python is

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Peter Maas
Ville Vainio schrieb: If you don't need to edit already existing system scripts, you don't really need to know bash scripting. For debugging purposes, it's easy to see what commands the script executes to perform a task. This is only true for trivial bash scripts. I have seen bash scripts which

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Pierre-Frdric Caillaud
I am confused to chose between C++,Python,Perl. Writing scripts in C++, you'll just die of brain burn. Python has very good shell integration and I heard it can do funky stuff with COM/OLE with a few lines of code where you'd need a few pages worth of impossible to understand COM code to

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread beliavsky
Ville Vainio wrote: If you don't need to edit already existing system scripts, you don't really need to know bash scripting. For debugging purposes, it's easy to see what commands the script executes to perform a task. You just need to know about `backticks` and $ENV_VARS, but that's more

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Kanthi Kiran Narisetti
Hi All, Thank You for your suggestionsI request you all to eloborate the Uses(In Practical) for systems administrator.Some of my questions regarding the same follows. 1)Can i build web applications in Python ? If so how. I am planning to build a web application for intranet use which deals

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Gerald Klix
Kanthi Kiran Narisetti schrieb: Hi All, Thank You for your suggestionsI request you all to eloborate the Uses(In Practical) for systems administrator.Some of my questions regarding the same follows. 1)Can i build web applications in Python ? If so how. I am planning to build a web application

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Laszlo Zsolt Nagy
Hello, I have some answers but for some of your questions, there are many (possibly good) answers. 1)Can i build web applications in Python ? If so how. I am planning to build a web application for intranet use which deals with workflow of Internal office communication. I believe you want

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Terry Reedy
Kanthi Kiran Narisetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .Some of my questions regarding the same follows. Most of these have been discussed many times. You can use Google to search the archives of this newsgroup. I strongly recommend that you learn to use that

[OT] Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Brian van den Broek
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said unto the world upon 2005-04-12 08:11: SNIP I actually like the Windows cmd language (it's an acquired taste), but I have read it is going away in Windows Longhorn (WH). That's an argument for writing more complicated scripts in Python. WH is supposed to get a much better

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Buck Nuggets
I also tried SAP-DB before. Now known as (or was, last time I checked) MaxDB by MySQL and formerly known as the pre-relational dbms 'Adabas'. I think the only reason for its continued existance is that SAP was hoping for a very low cost, low-end database years ago. However, the

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread Pierre-Frdric Caillaud
Thank You for your suggestionsI request you all to eloborate the Uses(In Practical) for systems administrator.Some of my questions regarding the same follows. What do you want to do ? 1)Can i build web applications in Python ? If so how. I am planning to build a web application for

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-12 Thread beliavsky
Brian van den Broek wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said unto the world upon 2005-04-12 08:11: SNIP I actually like the Windows cmd language (it's an acquired taste), but I have read it is going away in Windows Longhorn (WH). That's an argument for writing more complicated scripts in Python. WH

Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-11 Thread Kanthi Kiran Narisetti
Hi All, I am Windows Systems Administrator(planning to migrate to Linux administration in near future), I have occassionally written few batch files and Vbscripts to automate my tasks. Now I have strong interest to learn a programming language that would help me to write Scripts or Application (

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-11 Thread Grig Gheorghiu
In my experience, Python is more Windows-friendly than Perl. Mark Hammond's Python Extensions for Windows are a lifesaver. You can download the package from http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywin32/ or install the ActiveState Python package, which includes the Windows extensions. I use Python for

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-11 Thread johnny . shz
Kanthi Kiran Narisetti wrote: Hi All, I am Windows Systems Administrator(planning to migrate to Linux administration in near future), I have occassionally written few batch files and Vbscripts to automate my tasks. Now I have strong interest to learn a programming language that would help

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-11 Thread Sizer
Kanthi Kiran Narisetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am Windows Systems Administrator(planning to migrate to Linux administration in near future), I have occassionally written few batch files and Vbscripts to automate my tasks. Now I have strong interest to learn a

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-11 Thread rbt
Kanthi Kiran Narisetti wrote: Hi All, I am Windows Systems Administrator(planning to migrate to Linux administration in near future), I have occassionally written few batch files and Vbscripts to automate my tasks. Now I have strong interest to learn a programming language that would help me to

Re: Programming Language for Systems Administrator

2005-04-11 Thread Sizer
Looking at my followup, I really didn't make it clear that you'll have to learn some bash scripting to be an effective *nix administrator, just because so many parts of the system use bash scripting. But python is much nicer to write anything non-trivial in. --