Someone wrote:
I'm just curious whether this
argument against dynamic typing - that you end up doing the job of a
static compiler in test code - holds in practice.
I suspect that, although some of the things caught
by the tests would be caught by static typing, the
very *same* tests are also ca
On Apr 30, 10:47 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > A rather off-topic and perhaps naive question, but isn't a 1:4
> > production/test ratio a bit too much ? Is there a guesstimate of what
> > percentage of this test code tests for things that you would get for
> > free in a statically typed language
>
> A rather off-topic and perhaps naive question, but isn't a 1:4
> production/test ratio a bit too much ? Is there a guesstimate of what
> percentage of this test code tests for things that you would get for
> free in a statically typed language ? I'm just curious whether this
> argument against
On Apr 29, 2:25 pm, Fuzzyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are around 30 000 lines of Python in the production code and
> about 120 000 lines of Python code in the test framework.
A rather off-topic and perhaps naive question, but isn't a 1:4
production/test ratio a bit too much ? Is there a
On Apr 22, 11:25 am, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hy guys,
> A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
> jokes on python's cost.
>
> Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
> like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able t
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Which big aplications are written in python.
YouTube
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On 2008-04-24, Istvan Albert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 2:08 pm, Bob Woodham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> x = x++;
>>
>> has unspecified behaviour in C. That is, it is not specified
>> whether the value of x after execution of the statement is the
>> old value of x or one plus the
On 2008-04-24, AlFire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Woodham wrote:
>
>>
>> x = x++;
>>
>> has unspecified behaviour in C.
>
> what about C++
To the extent that (historically) C++ was a superset of C, it was true of C++
as well. However, I haven't kept pace with the C++ standardization proces
En Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:43:56 -0300, Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
escribió:
On 23 Apr, 11:12, Mark Wooding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gabriel Genellina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because Python doesn't follow the "boxed variables" model.
Be careful here. `Boxed types' or `boxed objects'
On Apr 23, 2:08 pm, Bob Woodham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> x = x++;
>
> has unspecified behaviour in C. That is, it is not specified
> whether the value of x after execution of the statement is the
> old value of x or one plus the old value of x.
unspecified means that the result could be anyt
Bob Woodham wrote:
x = x++;
has unspecified behaviour in C.
what about C++
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On 2008-04-23, Mark Wooding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Python is actually one of the few to define one but not the other. (The
> other one I can think of is Acorn's BBC BASIC, for whatever that's
> worth; it too lacks `++'.)
You should've added it in Termite Basic then :-p
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Cristina Yenyxe González García wrote:
2008/4/23, Reedick, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
IIRC, Python is used in games like Eve Online (SciFi MMO) and Vampire:
Bloodlines (RPG.) Years later, a dedicated fan is still fixing/updating
the Bloodlines python scripts that control the dialogue and scr
On 2008-04-22, Paul Hankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Apr 22, 5:50 pm, Jérémy Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sure. Python is more readable than Perl, though I have found Python
>> to have a weird behavior regarding this little issue :
>>
>> How can you explain that Python doesn't support
Civilisation 4 uses Python everywhere and is the main tool used by
Modders of the game.
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2008/4/23, Reedick, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> IIRC, Python is used in games like Eve Online (SciFi MMO) and Vampire:
> Bloodlines (RPG.) Years later, a dedicated fan is still fixing/updating
> the Bloodlines python scripts that control the dialogue and scripted
> events.
>
Now that you m
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:python-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of azrael
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:26 AM
> To: python-list@python.org
> Subject: Python Success stories
>
> Hy guys,
> A friend of mine i a proud PERL develope
On 23 Apr, 11:12, Mark Wooding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gabriel Genellina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Because Python doesn't follow the "boxed variables" model.
>
> Be careful here. `Boxed types' or `boxed objects' is a technical term
> essentially meaning `heap-allocated objects, probably
azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
> jokes on python's cost.
There is only one sane way to deal with this situation: You need a
common enemy. Java comes to mind ;-)
cu
Philipp
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Gabriel Genellina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because Python doesn't follow the "boxed variables" model.
Be careful here. `Boxed types' or `boxed objects' is a technical term
essentially meaning `heap-allocated objects, probably with reference
semantics', which Python most definitely does use
Roy Smith wrote:
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Challenge him to a dual with dead kippers at twenty paces.
You gotta be careful about stuff like this. You might slap him with a dead
kipper only to discover he's got a dead camel in his pocket.
Of c
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Challenge him to a dual with dead kippers at twenty paces.
You gotta be careful about stuff like this. You might slap him with a dead
kipper only to discover he's got a dead camel in his pocket.
Of course, there's alway
Ben Finney wrote:
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Challenge him to a dual with dead kippers at twenty paces.
Please, have some dignity!
Challenge him to a duel with live kippers. Live, *rabid* kippers. With
frickin' laser beams on their heads.
I like your style.
Though considerin
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Challenge him to a dual with dead kippers at twenty paces.
Please, have some dignity!
Challenge him to a duel with live kippers. Live, *rabid* kippers. With
frickin' laser beams on their heads.
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Nikita the Spider wrote:
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Which big aplications are written in python. I see its development,
But i can't come up with a big name. I know that there are a lot of
companys using python, but is there anythong big written only in
p
azrael wrote:
Hy guys,
A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
jokes on python's cost.
Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic"
This hurts. Please give
http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/whatisgoogleappengine.html
2008/4/22 Ivan Illarionov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 22 апр, 14:25, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> []
>
> > This hurts. Please give me informations about realy famous
> > aplications.
>
> What do you mean by "really famous
On 22 апр, 14:25, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[]
> This hurts. Please give me informations about realy famous
> aplications.
What do you mean by "really famous"?
Information is here:
http://www.python.org/about/quotes/
Are YouTube and Google famous enough?
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On Apr 22, 3:25 am, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hy guys,
> A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
> jokes on python's cost.
>
> Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
> like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
En Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:50:54 -0300, Jérémy Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> Sure. Python is more readable than Perl, though I have found Python
> to have a weird behavior regarding this little issue :
>
> How can you explain that Python doesn't support the ++ opeator,
> whereas at the same t
On Apr 22, 12:50 pm, Jérémy Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure. Python is more readable than Perl, though I have found Python
> to have a weird behavior regarding this little issue :
>
> How can you explain that Python doesn't support the ++ opeator,
> whereas at the same time it does support
On Apr 22, 5:50 pm, Jérémy Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure. Python is more readable than Perl, though I have found Python
> to have a weird behavior regarding this little issue :
>
> How can you explain that Python doesn't support the ++ opeator,
> whereas at the same time it does support
Sure. Python is more readable than Perl, though I have found Python
to have a weird behavior regarding this little issue :
How can you explain that Python doesn't support the ++ opeator,
whereas at the same time it does support the += operator ???
No python developer I know has been able to answ
On 22 Apr, 16:02, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> What lesson is it intended to teach, other than that "Fuck you" is
> somehow a "retort"? I can't see that improving too many situations.
It isn't supposed to teach anything: it's a joke! It'd be more
relevant (yet somewhat surreal if deta
On Apr 22, 5:25 am, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hy guys,
> A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
> jokes on python's cost.
>
> Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
> like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
GHUM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which big aplications are written in python. I see its development,
>
> There are no big applications written in Python.
>
> Big applications are written in JAVA or COBOL or C# or other legacy
> programming systems.
>
>
En Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:34:48 -0300, Diez B. Roggisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
escribió:
> azrael schrieb:
>> A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
>> jokes on python's cost.
>>
>> Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
>> like :"keep programing i
> Which big aplications are written in python. I see its development,
There are no big applications written in Python.
Big applications are written in JAVA or COBOL or C# or other legacy
programming systems.
If you programm in Python, your applications become quite small. Only
frameworks in Pyth
"F**k you" -- is generally an indication of "creativity blackout"
followed by "frustration". Not exactly a clever retort.
On 4/22/08, Max Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Carl Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> Let me tell you a little stor
On Apr 22, 6:25 am, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
> jokes on python's cost.
> This hurts. Please give me informations about realy famous
> aplications.
you could show him what Master Yoda said when he compared Python to
Pe
azrael wrote:
Which big aplications are written in python. I see its development,
But i can't come up with a big name. I know that there are a lot of
companys using python, but is there anythong big written only in
python. I want him to fuck of with his perl once and for all time
Not really "bi
Carl Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Let me tell you a little story to let you know how you should act in
> situations like this. Some of you might have heard it before.
> Apologies if it's a bit long.
I don't know if I've heard it before; it's rather unmemorable.
What lesson is it intended
On Apr 22, 6:25 am, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hy guys,
> A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
> jokes on python's cost.
>
> Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
> like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
On Apr 22, 6:34 am, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> azrael schrieb:
>
> > Hy guys,
> > A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
> > jokes on python's cost.
>
> > Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
> > like :"keep programing i p
azrael a écrit :
Hy guys,
A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
jokes on python's cost.
s/proud/stupid/
Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic"
T
http://panela.blog-city.com/python_at_google_greg_stein__sdforum.htm
Google big enough?
...or look at the companies on the "NASA uses Python... ...so does:"
box on the top (nearly top any how!) right of http://www.python.org/
On 22/04/2008, azrael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which big aplicatio
azrael skrev:
Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic"
When I started writing in Python in the nineties there was a lot of
tech-media coverage of Perl. Python was always mention
azrael wrote:
Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic"
This hurts. Please give me informations about realy famous
aplications.
He's joking. Perl is a dysfunctional language and
azrael schrieb:
Hy guys,
A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
jokes on python's cost.
Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic"
This hurts. Please gi
Hy guys,
A friend of mine i a proud PERL developer which always keeps making
jokes on python's cost.
Please give me any arguments to cut him down about his commnets
like :"keep programing i python. maybe, one day, you will be able to
program in VisualBasic"
This hurts. Please give me informations
http://pythonology.org/success
this should be enough...but why don't you write a solid app in python
and show it to them?
Seeing is believing.
Bernard
krishnakant Mane a écrit :
> hello all.
> actually I have been recently appointed as a technology consulltent at
> a huge company.
> and I have
Hello Krishnakant
There is a book "Python success stories". Download the 2 volumes from here
http://pythonology.org/success
If you want to convince java programmers to use python, show them this
presentation from PyCon2003
"The seven habits of highly effective techno
hello all.
actually I have been recently appointed as a technology consulltent at
a huge company.
and I have couple more such projects in the pypeline.
unfortunately the officials out here are too much in favour of java
and I have personally worked with both and find that python is heaven
in syntax
Hi,
O'Reilly Associates is going to be printing volume III of the
Python Success Stories series in June and I'm looking for
submissions of new stories.
The stories have been quite valuable for people introducing
Python to new users and companies.
The deadline for me to recei
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