Re: Python is slow?

2008-10-03 Thread Terry Reedy
greg wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational I think it's irrational for another reason, too -- it's actually vacuous. There's nothing to prevent you creating a set of patches that simply say Delete all of the original source and

Re: how to search multiple textfiles ? (Python is slow ?)

2008-10-01 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stef Mientki wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stef Mientki wrote: I'm really amazed by the speed of Python !! It can only be beaten by findstr, which is only available on windows. Did you try find -exec grep -F? well my

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread r0g
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], r0g wrote: You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patches, but you can distribute it freely ... This must be some new definition of freely of which I'm unaware. As in beer. --

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], r0g wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], r0g wrote: You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patches, but you can distribute it freely ... This must be some new definition of freely of which I'm unaware. As in

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:50:26 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], r0g wrote: You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patches, but you can distribute it freely ... This must be some new definition of freely of which I'm unaware. You're free to

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:50:26 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], r0g wrote: You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patches, but you can distribute it freely ... […] Where's the non-free bit?

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:50:26 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], r0g wrote: You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patches, but you can

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: You're not free to modify gnuplot and redistribute the result. That you're free to distribute patches is nice, but it's not enough to make the work free. The freedom to help people by giving

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Paul Boddie
On 30 Sep, 14:19, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is where the useful your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of the other man's nose applies: As soon as the act you wish to perform is restricting the freedom of another, you're not contemplating an act of freedom, but an act

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: You're not free to modify gnuplot and redistribute the result. That you're free to distribute patches is nice, but it's not enough to

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread George Sakkis
On Sep 30, 9:43 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: You're not free to modify gnuplot and redistribute the

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 16:04:35 George Sakkis wrote: What you're missing is that for Free Software (TM) zealots it's a matter of philosophical principle, totally unrelated to how easy is to overcome the restriction. There is not a practicality beats purity clause in the FSF Bible. The

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Terry Reedy
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: I do, because a natural, beneficial act (modify the work and redistribute it) that has no technical reason to restrict, is artifically restricted. We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I simply don't think that having to run some variation on patch -i patchfile.patch is a requirement so onerous that it makes the gnuplot licence non-free. Perhaps I'm just more tolerant of eccentricities than you :) The distinction here is that

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Ben Finney
Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steven D'Aprano wrote: We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational (although I'd be interested in hearing the gnuplot developers' reasoning before making a final judgment). I believe it is a matter of preserving clarity of

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:06:08 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steven D'Aprano wrote: We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational (although I'd be interested in hearing the gnuplot developers' reasoning before making a final

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-30 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:06:08 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Note that I consider a work free even if it fails to grant “the right to distribute misrepresentations of the author's words”, because that act is an exercise of undue power over another

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-29 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], sturlamolden wrote: ... and possibility of interfacing with gnuplot ... Gnuplot is non-Free software. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to search multiple textfiles ? (Python is slow ?)

2008-09-29 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stef Mientki wrote: - Pyscripter 110 sec ( PyScripter is the default IDE I use now) - Delphi 20 .. 35 sec - Findstr 4 sec What order did you try try them in? Did you try each one more than once, in different orders? Just to rule out filesystem caching effects.

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-29 Thread Fly Away
On Sep 29, 3:05 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], sturlamolden wrote: ... and possibility of interfacing with gnuplot ... Gnuplot is non-Free software. Yes, it is. Victor. --

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-29 Thread bearophileHUGS
Lawrence D'Oliveiro: Gnuplot is non-Free software. Fly Away: Yes, it is. From: http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.txt 1.7 Does gnuplot have anything to do with the FSF and the GNU project? [...] Gnuplot is freeware in the sense that you don't have to pay for it. However it is not

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-29 Thread Victor Prosolin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro: Gnuplot is non-Free software. Fly Away: Yes, it is. From: http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.txt 1.7 Does gnuplot have anything to do with the FSF and the GNU project? [...] Gnuplot is freeware in the sense that you don't have to pay

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-29 Thread r0g
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro: Gnuplot is non-Free software. Fly Away: Yes, it is. From: http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.txt 1.7 Does gnuplot have anything to do with the FSF and the GNU project? [...] Gnuplot is freeware in the sense that you don't have to pay

Re: how to search multiple textfiles ? (Python is slow ?)

2008-09-29 Thread Stef Mientki
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stef Mientki wrote: - Pyscripter 110 sec ( PyScripter is the default IDE I use now) - Delphi 20 .. 35 sec - Findstr 4 sec What order did you try try them in? Did you try each one more than once, in different orders? Just to

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-29 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], r0g wrote: You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patches, but you can distribute it freely ... This must be some new definition of freely of which I'm unaware. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to search multiple textfiles ? (Python is slow ?)

2008-09-27 Thread M�ta-MCI (MVP)
Hi ! Thanks for return. Some infos: from a long time, I found that it's often more fast to use windows's command, instead of develop in high level language (and also, low level...) FINDSTR is fast. OK. But internal commands are more fast. Example : DIR (with all his options) And it's

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-26 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 26, 5:45 am, David Cournapeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am fairly experienced in matlab (have been using it extensively for 5 years in academical context), and now with numpy, and generally, they are comparable speed-wise. Matlab has some niceties which makes it faster in some simple

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-26 Thread Fly Away
Matlab's strongest side is data visualization though. Although we have matplotlib, mayavi and possibility of interfacing with gnuplot, it's not anywhere near the capabilities of Matlab. What particular Matlab visualization features are you referring to? I can't think of anything that would

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-26 Thread James Matthews
+1 QOTW... On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:13 AM, George Sakkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sep 23, 9:57 am, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-09-23, sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] After having a working Python prototype, I resorted to rewrite the program in

Re: how to search multiple textfiles ? (Python is slow ?)

2008-09-26 Thread Stef Mientki
Mike Driscoll wrote: On Sep 26, 8:35 am, Stef Mientki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I want to search multiple textfiles (python source files) for a specific word. I can find all files, open them and do a search, but I guess that will be rather slow. I couldn't find any relevant

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-25 Thread David Cournapeau
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:07 AM, sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 3:44 pm, Robert Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, python is not a number crunching language. However much we would like it to be (we would ? :-). No scripting language is. Not even Matlab, R, IDL, Octave,

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-25 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAICT, _everybody_ is bad at programming C++. One begins to suspect it's not the fault of the programmers. http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/98/May/stroustrup.html -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-24 Thread Eric Brunel
they suggest Python as a possible language because of the 'Python is slow' myth... -- python -c print ''.join([chr(154 - ord(c)) for c in 'U(17zX(%,5.zmz5(17l8(%,5.Z*(93-965$l7+-']) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-24 Thread sturlamolden
For those who are interested: I've updated the cookbook tutorial on the kd-tree: http://scipy.org/Cookbook/KDTree It now also includes parallel search for multicore CPUs (multiprocessing standard module). Even if you are not genuinely interested in kd-trees, it shows how to do parallel

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-24 Thread sturlamolden
I have updated the cookbook entry for yesterday to also include parallel processing for large data sets. Even if you're not interested in kd-trees, it is a good example of what the new multiprocessing standard module can do. There are still people being scared by the GIL, thinking it prevents

Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
I have recently been playing with a kd-tree for solving the post office problem in a 12-dimensional space. This is pure cpu bound number crunching, a task for which I suspected Python to be inefficient. My prototype in Python 2.5 using NumPy required 0.41 seconds to construct the tree from 50,000

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Singer
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:23:12 -0700 (PDT), sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently been playing with a kd-tree for solving the post office problem in a 12-dimensional space. This is pure cpu bound number crunching, a task for which I suspected Python to be inefficient. Well, python

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-09-23, sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] After having a working Python prototype, I resorted to rewrite the program in C++. The Python prototype took an hour to make, debug and verify. The same thing in C++ took me almost a day to complete, even with a working prototype as

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread George Sakkis
On Sep 23, 9:57 am, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-09-23, sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] After having a working Python prototype, I resorted to rewrite the program in C++. The Python prototype took an hour to make, debug and verify. The same thing in C++

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread skip
We may conclude that I'm bad at programming C++, Grant AFAICT, _everybody_ is bad at programming C++. Grant One begins to suspect it's not the fault of the programmers. +1 QOTW... Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread bearophileHUGS
sturlamolden: CPython is generally slow (you can see this from the huge amount of solutions invented to solve the speed problem, like Cython, Numpy, Psyco, ShedSkin, Weave, Inline, SIP, Boost Python, SWIG, etc etc), but for most of the usages Python is used for, it's not a significant problem. I

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 23, 3:44 pm, Robert Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, python is not a number crunching language. However much we would like it to be (we would ? :-). No scripting language is. Not even Matlab, R, IDL, Octave, SciLab, S-PLUS or Mathematica? Before resorting to rewriting the

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 23, 5:31 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well written C++ code is generally faster or much faster than similar Python code, but programming in Python is often simpler, and it generally requires less time. So it may happen that to solve a problem a Python program that runs in 1 hour that

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread namekuseijin
On Sep 23, 10:57 am, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAICT, _everybody_ is bad at programming C++. Thankfully, at least Numpy developers are not bad at C programming. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread bearophileHUGS
sturlamolden: F# and OCaml look promising though. I bet on the future of D and Haskell (and maybe Fortress) instead :-) We'll see. Sure I could show you the code, Python and C++, if I had a place to post it. I think the Python version suffices. If it's not too much private you may post the

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 23, 8:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Python version suffices. If it's not too much private you may post the single minimal/reduced runnable Python module here, it will be deleted in some time (if you want you can also use a private paste):http://codepad.org/

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sturlamolden: Sure I could show you the code, Python and C++, if I had a place to post it. I think the Python version suffices. If it's not too much private you may post the single minimal/reduced runnable Python module here, it will be deleted in some time (if you

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread J Peyret
On Sep 23, 8:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, this looks like a great data structure/algo for something I am working on. But... where do I find some definitions of the original BK-tree idea? I looked through Amazon and only a few books mention something like BK-Tree and these are mostly

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 23, 9:17 pm, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also drop it on the scipy.org wiki in the Cookbook category. Yes, if I could figure out how to use it... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Kern
J Peyret wrote: On Sep 23, 8:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, this looks like a great data structure/algo for something I am working on. But... where do I find some definitions of the original BK-tree idea? Uh, actually we're talking about kd-trees, not BK-trees. kd-trees are for

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Singer
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:07:22 -0700 (PDT), sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 3:44 pm, Robert Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, python is not a number crunching language. However much we would like it to be (we would ? :-). No scripting language is. Not even Matlab, R, IDL,

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Kern
sturlamolden wrote: On Sep 23, 9:17 pm, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also drop it on the scipy.org wiki in the Cookbook category. Yes, if I could figure out how to use it... What's confusing? You do have to create a profile: http://www.scipy.org/UserPreferences --

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Kay Schluehr
On 23 Sep., 21:23, J Peyret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 8:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, this looks like a great data structure/algo for something I am working on. But... where do I find some definitions of the original BK-tree idea? *geometric data structures*. Just google

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 23, 10:05 pm, Robert Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I ask what are your main objections to it ? 1. gfortran is not Absoft. 2. If I program the same in C99 and Fortran 95, and compile with gcc and gfortran, the C99 code runs a lot faster (I've only tested with wavelet transforms).

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 23, 10:16 pm, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's confusing? You do have to create a profile: How do I add a new page to the wiki? I'm only able to edit the front page of the cookbook. But it doesn't help to add link there if I have no page to link. (I may be incredibly stupid

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Kern
sturlamolden wrote: On Sep 23, 10:16 pm, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's confusing? You do have to create a profile: How do I add a new page to the wiki? I'm only able to edit the front page of the cookbook. But it doesn't help to add link there if I have no page to link. (I may

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Singer
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:34:10 -0700 (PDT), sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. gfortran is not Absoft. I find this comment absurd. What did you mean by it ? Yes, gfortran is not Absoft, just as red is not blue (?!). I also don't understand whether you're looking for a free or a commercial

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread sturlamolden
On Sep 23, 8:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a good or bad thing? ;-) It seems we have been implementing different algorithms. kd-trees are not BK-trees. http://www.scipy.org/Cookbook/KDTree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Kern
Robert Kern wrote: J Peyret wrote: On Sep 23, 8:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, this looks like a great data structure/algo for something I am working on. But... where do I find some definitions of the original BK-tree idea? Uh, actually we're talking about kd-trees, not BK-trees.

Re: Python is slow?

2008-09-23 Thread bearophileHUGS
sturlamolden: It seems we have been implementing different algorithms. kd-trees are not BK-trees. http://www.scipy.org/Cookbook/KDTree Sorry for my silly mistake :-) Note: in your code I don't know if the collections.deque data structure may help (it's faster than list for appending), but I

Re: Python is slow

2008-06-08 Thread Mark Tarver
On 22 May, 17:14, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is slow.    Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow.   Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow.  Even Google Apps is not faster.   Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so

Re: Python is slow

2008-06-08 Thread Baris-C
On May 22, 7:14 pm, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is slow.    Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow.   Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow.  Even Google Apps is not faster.   Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so

Re: Python is slow

2008-06-07 Thread Charlie Hubbard
That hardware battle was fought long ago. Von Neumann machine vs. the Lisp machine. Guess who won? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine It would be very hard to fight that war all over again. Charlie On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Fri, 23 May

Re: Python is slow

2008-06-07 Thread Sean Allen
On May 24, 2008, at 1:56 AM, cm_gui wrote: okay, maybe Python is only slightly slower than PHP, but it APPEARS to be much slower. there is a distinct waiting time whenever you access a python web page before the page starts loading. but once it loads, it is fast. php page starts loading

Re: Python is slow

2008-06-06 Thread Jan Claeys
Op Fri, 23 May 2008 14:00:33 -0700, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now this I can tell is false. The problem is not that it's difficult to make a native compiler for dynamic languages, the problem is that it's difficult to write native compiler for dynamic languages that generates code that beats

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-27 Thread John Salerno
cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] okay, maybe Python is only slightly slower than PHP, but it APPEARS to be much slower. there is a distinct waiting time whenever you access a python web page before the page starts loading. but once it loads, it is fast.

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-25 Thread Lie
On May 23, 2:50 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad a écrit : cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I use C++ when performance really matters tho... right

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread cm_gui
i am not comparing Python with C or C++ which are of course compiled languages. if there is any consolation to Python lovers here, Python is still faster than Microsoft ASP/ASPX. i'm not trying to 'troll' here. it's not just me. many have complained that python is slow. python websites

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread Jeremy Pager
On Fri, 23 May 2008 03:21:23 -0700, Ivan Illarionov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23 май, 02:20, Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I use C++ when

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! cm_gui writes: [...] if python is such a good programming/scripting language, why can't they build a faster interpreter/compiler engine? and beat php and zend. to the python team, rebuild your interpreter! torontolife.com is slow. For me, torontolife.com is exactly as fast as

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread Patrick Mullen
. Much slower than say, code.google.com, or the trac site I have running on my remote server. I have seen just as many slow php sites as slow python sites. Also, the hosting solution plays a huge part in how fast a site responds. If someone is using python through cgi, that IS going to be very slow

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread Paolo Victor
I love it when a troll tries to make his/hers/its point with a vague, biased assumption: I mean, it's not that slow - wait, I guess it's slower, because I... I think so! Yeah! It's slow! At least it feels like it... It's all about choosing the right tool. If you think Python doesn't suit your

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread Carl Banks
On May 24, 1:56 am, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not trying to 'troll' here. Maybe you're not trying, but you're succeeding. If you want to criticize be constructive about it, otherwise get out. Carl Banks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread David C. Ullrich
On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23 mai, 10:42, inhahe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in messagenews:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad a écrit : cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread Ivan Illarionov
have complained that python is slow. python websites are slow. if python is such a good programming/scripting language, why can't they build a faster interpreter/compiler engine? and beat php and zend. to the python team, rebuild your interpreter! torontolife.com is slow. okay, maybe

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-24 Thread Eric Wertman
if python is such a good programming/scripting language, why can't they build a faster interpreter/compiler engine? and beat php and zend. to the python team, rebuild your interpreter! while this is just a boring troll.. it does bring me to a more interesting point... it would be cool if the

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Brad a écrit : cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I use C++ when performance really matters tho... right tool for the job. Learn a good interpreted language (Pyhton) and a good compiled

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Carl Banks
On May 23, 3:50 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad a écrit : cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I use C++ when performance really matters tho... right

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread inhahe
Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad a écrit : cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I use C++ when performance really matters tho... right

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Ivan Illarionov
On 23 май, 02:20, Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I use C++ when performance really matters tho... right tool for the job. Learn a good interpreted

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Paul Rubin
inhahe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: planets are spherical (all implementations of Python are not natively compiled (and you said for whatever definition)), and b) It's a far cry to imagine a planet coming into being that's not spherical (a language as dynamic as Python, or most other scripting

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Carl Banks a écrit : (snip technically pedantic correction) You know, even though you're technically correct, I'd like to see you abandon this little crusade. At this point it's more noisy than helpful. (snip) Mmm... You're probably right. I tend to be way too pedantic sometimes. OTHO, there

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-05-23, RPM1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry Bates wrote: If your Python program is slow, you have almost assuredly approached it with a wrong method or algorithm. I agree for most applications. There are however times where Python just isn't fast enough, and that's usually when

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Brian Blais
On May 23, 2008, at May 23:10:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2008-05-23, RPM1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry Bates wrote: If your Python program is slow, you have almost assuredly approached it with a wrong method or algorithm. I agree for most applications. There are however times where

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Aaron Lance
Troll much? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread Andrii V. Mishkovskyi
2008/5/22 cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Python is slow.Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow. Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow. Even Google Apps is not faster. Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so much faster than

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread M�ta-MCI (MVP)
Bonsoir ! Perso, je pense que des précisions comme celles de Bruno sont très utiles, car elles évitent les dérives, et l'apparition de langages bâtards, et impurs (pythonesquement parlant). Non aux Pythons OGM !!! Toutefois, iles est dommage que je comprenne pas l'anglais, et donc pas

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread inhahe
Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] inhahe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: planets are spherical (all implementations of Python are not natively compiled (and you said for whatever definition)), and b) It's a far cry to imagine a planet coming into being

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 23 mai, 10:42, inhahe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in messagenews:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad a écrit : cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I

Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread cm_gui
Python is slow.Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow. Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow. Even Google Apps is not faster. Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so much faster than Python. Okay, they probably use caching

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread Mike Driscoll
On May 22, 11:14 am, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is slow.    Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow.   Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow.  Even Google Apps is not faster.   Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread Dan Upton
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is slow.Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow. Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow. Even Google Apps is not faster. Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread inhahe
I don't get what the issue is between sites that use Python and being slow, if there is one, because there's a website online that shows the results of a dozen or so benchmarks when comparing any two languages. Python beats PHP in almost all the benchmarks. (it also beats almost all the other

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread Jason Scheirer
On May 22, 9:14 am, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is slow.    Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow.   Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow.  Even Google Apps is not faster.   Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Python is slow.Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow. Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow. Even Google Apps is not faster. Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so much faster than

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 22 mai, 18:14, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is slow. Oh, a troll... Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow. Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow. Even Google Apps is not faster. Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread Brad
cm_gui wrote: Python is slow. It ain't C++, but it ain't a punch card either... somewhere in between. I find it suitable for lots of stuff. I use C++ when performance really matters tho... right tool for the job. Learn a good interpreted language (Pyhton) and a good compiled language (C

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread Larry Bates
cm_gui wrote: Python is slow.Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow. Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow. Even Google Apps is not faster. Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so much faster than Python. Okay

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread sturlamolden
On May 22, 6:14 pm, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've yet to see a web application written in Python which is really fast. I bet you have a slow dial-up connection. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow

2008-05-22 Thread Carl Banks
On May 22, 12:14 pm, cm_gui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is slow.Almost all of the web applications written in Python are slow. Zope/Plone is slow, sloow, so very slooow. Even Google Apps is not faster. Neither is Youtube. Facebook and Wikipedia (Mediawiki), written in PHP, are so

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