Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread Aahz
In article pine.lnx.4.64.0903210534130.6...@tau.ceti.pl, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote: On Sat, 20 Mar 2009, Aahz wrote: Taking C++ and turning it into a VM model does not exactly strike me as particularly good use of resources. It doesn't strike me either. But resources are not the

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Aahz a écrit : In article 49b5196b$0$3514$426a7...@news.free.fr, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote: Grant Edwards a écrit : Knowing C++ does tend to be a bit of a handicap, but I think any competent programmer could learn Python. +2 QOTW !-) Ditto!

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Aahz wrote: In article pine.lnx.4.64.0903210534130.6...@tau.ceti.pl, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote: On Sat, 20 Mar 2009, Aahz wrote: Taking C++ and turning it into a VM model does not exactly strike me as particularly good use of resources. It doesn't

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, alex goretoy wrote: I've only read he subject and a few lines from other responses. yes, it is worth learning. I came from PHP to Python. It's very powerful and makes application development easier for me than in PHP and/or C#, but bash, well that depends on the type of

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread alex goretoy
I've only read he subject and a few lines from other responses. yes, it is worth learning. I came from PHP to Python. It's very powerful and makes application development easier for me than in PHP and/or C#, but bash, well that depends on the type of bash. It has a lot of diffent ways

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, alex goretoy wrote: I really can't say too much about speed increase or decrease, it really depends on the site and how its built, what libs are used and how they are loaded, same thing in PHP, It would be difficult for me to same anything on speed because of that. I

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread alex goretoy
I think Python in general maybe slower than PHP(from what I read), but it is still fast enough for my project needs -Alex Goretoy http://www.goretoy.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-21 Thread alex goretoy
oh yeah, your welcome. I'm just leaning, so I'm glad to help someone else learn as well. -Alex Goretoy http://www.goretoy.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-20 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Aahz wrote: --===0027953262== In article 49b58b35$0$3548$426a7...@news.free.fr, Bruno Desthuilliers bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote: Tomasz Rola a écrit : I may not be objective (tried Java, hated it after 6 years). Arf - only took me 6

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-20 Thread alex goretoy
I've only read he subject and a few lines from other responses. yes, it is worth learning. I came from PHP to Python. It's very powerful and makes application development easier for me than in PHP and/or C#, but bash, well that depends on the type of bash. It has a lot of diffent ways you can use

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-20 Thread Aahz
In article pine.lnx.4.64.0903210304530.22...@tau.ceti.pl, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Aahz wrote: In article 49b58b35$0$3548$426a7...@news.free.fr, Bruno Desthuilliers bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote: Tomasz Rola a écrit : I may not be objective

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-20 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, 20 Mar 2009, Aahz wrote: --===0836317661== So? By the time Java was released, Python had already been around for several years. I've started to use Python around 1.5. If it could interest me more than Java earlier than that, I don't know. Taking C++ and turning it

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-19 Thread Aahz
In article 49b5196b$0$3514$426a7...@news.free.fr, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote: Grant Edwards a écrit : Knowing C++ does tend to be a bit of a handicap, but I think any competent programmer could learn Python. +2 QOTW !-) Ditto! Although I suppose you

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-19 Thread Aahz
In article 49b58b35$0$3548$426a7...@news.free.fr, Bruno Desthuilliers bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote: Tomasz Rola a écrit : I may not be objective (tried Java, hated it after 6 years). Arf - only took me 6 months !-) That long? It only took me six minutes. -- Aahz

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-19 Thread grkuntzmd
The other day one of our developers said that he thought learning assembler language in college was a total waste of time. I can't disagree more. Even if assembler language is specific to one architecture, the principles that it teaches are universal and fundamental to all other programming

RE: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-19 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Aahz wrote: In article 49b58b35$0$3548$426a7...@news.free.fr, Bruno Desthuilliers bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote: Tomasz Rola a écrit : I may not be objective (tried Java, hated it after 6 years). Arf - only took me 6 months !-) That long? It only took me six minutes.

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-11 Thread bubill
I'm a Testing Engineer ,i don't know any language at all before learning py3k ,and for Testing job! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-11 Thread ZikO
Well What Can I say guys? I really appreciate your help here. Thanks for your answers. I have read all of them :P. Yes. Thanks for the websites: Dive In Python and docs.python.org. And I most say I have been convinced to take it as another tool for the programmer. PS. Tomasz, thanks for

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-10 Thread Wolfgang Rohdewald
On Montag, 9. März 2009, r wrote: Long answer: 'Ye%s' %'s'*1000 simplified long answer: 'Yes' * 1000 or did you mean 'Ye%s' %('s'*1000) -- Wolfgang -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-10 Thread r
On Mar 9, 6:37 pm, Wolfgang Rohdewald wolfg...@rohdewald.de wrote: On Montag, 9. März 2009, r wrote: Long answer:  'Ye%s' %'s'*1000 simplified long answer: 'Yes' * 1000 ♦ Sure that works too but sounds like your stu..stu..studdering. or did you mean 'Ye%s' %('s'*1000) ♦ Oops, must test

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-10 Thread Craig Allen
On Mar 9, 12:43 am, ZikO ze...@op.pl wrote: Hi I hope I won't sound trivial with asking my question. I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about Python but I have

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-10 Thread r
On Mar 10, 6:46 pm, Craig Allen callen...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, I've become more of a Python fan than I am really comfortable with... it can't be as good as I think. -craig Don't fight it, just go with it man... just go with it! *wink* --

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread bearophileHUGS
ZikO, if you know C++, then knowing one scripting language is useful, it can be Ruby, Python (or even Lua, etc). Note that learning a language isn't a binary thing, so I suggest you to use a week to learn Python and use it try to solve some of your practical problems. After a week you will be able

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Chris Rebert
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:43 AM, ZikO ze...@op.pl wrote: Hi I hope I won't sound trivial with asking my question. I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about Python

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Lie Ryan
ZikO wrote: Hi I hope I won't sound trivial with asking my question. I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about Python but I have never writen any single line in

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Tim Wintle
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 11:19 +, Lie Ryan wrote: Certainly. A programmer that only knows one language would be too limited. Try as many programming language as you can, and especially look for programming languages that have obscenely different paradigm than the language you already know.

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Geoff Smith
In article gp2rtc$nj...@news.onet.pl, ze...@op.pl says... Hi I hope I won't sound trivial with asking my question. I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
ZikO a écrit : Hi I hope I won't sound trivial with asking my question. I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. Indeed. FWIW, I use about four programming languages on a daily basis - plus

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Nick Craig-Wood
ZikO ze...@op.pl wrote: I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about Python but I have never writen any single line in python so I do not know this language at

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Michele Simionato
On Mar 9, 12:47 pm, Tim Wintle tim.win...@teamrubber.com wrote: My slight issue with this list that I think things are in too many places. E.g. although you can do functional programming in Python (and many do), I think it's worth trying to learn a language like lisp just for the sake of

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Lie Ryan
Michele Simionato wrote: On Mar 9, 12:47 pm, Tim Wintle tim.win...@teamrubber.com wrote: My slight issue with this list that I think things are in too many places. Yeah, that issue did pass through my head when I posted it, but I was too lazy to do proper listing of various language from

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-03-09, ZikO ze...@op.pl wrote: Do you think python would be good complementary language for C++? Yes. Do you think it's worth learning it or let's say try Java? Either would be good, Python is probably both easier to learn and a lot easier to use (at least on Unix). and how

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Grant Edwards a écrit : (snip) Knowing C++ does tend to be a bit of a handicap, but I think any competent programmer could learn Python. +2 QOTW !-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Marco Mariani
ZikO wrote: Do you think python would be good complementary language for C++? Do you think it's worth learning it Absolutely, but it tends to become the first language over time. Don't underestimate its reach. I've re-learned Python 3 or 4 times already, over 11 years :-/ --

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread grocery_stocker
On Mar 9, 5:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood n...@craig-wood.com wrote: ZikO ze...@op.pl wrote: I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about Python but I have never writen

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Tim Rowe
2009/3/9 ZikO ze...@op.pl: Do you think python would be good complementary language for C++? Do you think it's worth learning it or let's say try Java? and how difficult it would be for me if I know C++ pretty well I would say? We're not exactly impartial advisors in here ;-) I reckon Python

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread David Cournapeau
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:33 PM, grocery_stocker cdal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 9, 5:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood n...@craig-wood.com wrote: Go here  http://www.diveintopython.org/ Download the PDF or buy the book. What about the stuff on docs.python.org? Isn't that information just as

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, ZikO wrote: Hi [...] Do you think python would be good complementary language for C++? Yes, definitely. Do you think it's worth learning it or let's say try Java? I may not be objective (tried Java, hated it after 6 years). In the long run, I'm afraid Java is going

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
David Cournapeau a écrit : On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:33 PM, grocery_stocker cdal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 9, 5:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood n...@craig-wood.com wrote: Go here http://www.diveintopython.org/ Download the PDF or buy the book. What about the stuff on docs.python.org? Isn't that

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Tomasz Rola a écrit : (snip) I may not be objective (tried Java, hated it after 6 years). Arf - only took me 6 months !-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread grocery_stocker
On Mar 9, 1:33 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote: David Cournapeau a écrit : On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:33 PM, grocery_stocker cdal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 9, 5:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood n...@craig-wood.com wrote: Go here  

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread r
On Mar 9, 5:43 am, ZikO ze...@op.pl wrote: Is python worth learning as a second language? Short answer: Yes Long answer: 'Ye%s' %'s'*1000 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

RE: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
ZikO wrote: I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about Python but I have never writen any single line in python so I do not know this language at all. Do you think

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Tomasz Rola a écrit : (snip) I may not be objective (tried Java, hated it after 6 years). Arf - only took me 6 months !-) I guess sometimes I need to be knocked really hard ;-/. But it works both ways - I cannot imagine what should

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

2009-03-09 Thread Boštjan Jerko
On 9.3.2009, at 11:43, ZikO wrote: Hi I hope I won't sound trivial with asking my question. I am a C++ programmer and I am thinking of learning something else because I know second language might be very helpful somehow. I have heard a few positive things about Python but I have never