Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-12-10 Thread CM
On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:10:18 PM UTC-4, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: I just saw today that this will be included in Python 3.4. Congratulations, Steven, this is a nice addition. --

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-17 Thread Josef Pktd
I think the install issues in the pep are exaggerated, and are in my opinion not a sufficient reason to get something into the standard lib. google appengine includes numpy https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/tools/libraries27 I'm on Windows, and installing numpy and scipy are

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-17 Thread Jason Friedman
NumPy and SciPy are not available for many Python users, including those using a Python implementation for which there is no Numpy support URL:http://new.scipy.org/faq.html#python-version-support and those for whom large, dependency-heavy third-party packages are too much burden. See the

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread taldcroft
On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:10:18 PM UTC-4, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0450/ Please read the FAQs before asking anything :-) I think this is a super idea.

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread chris . barker
I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's The trick here is that numpy really is the right way to do this stuff. I like to say: crunching numbers in python without numpy is like doing text processing without using the string object What this is really an

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 16 August 2013 17:31, chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's The trick here is that numpy really is the right way to do this stuff. Although it doesn't mention this in the PEP, a significant point that is worth bearing in mind

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:31:34 -0700, chris.barker wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's The trick here is that numpy really is the right way to do this stuff. Numpy does not have a monopoly on the correct algorithms for statistics functions, and a

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread chris . barker
On Friday, August 16, 2013 10:15:52 AM UTC-7, Oscar Benjamin wrote: On 16 August 2013 17:31, chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: Although it doesn't mention this in the PEP, a significant point that is worth bearing in mind is that numpy is only for CPython, not PyPy, IronPython, Jython etc. See

RE: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread Prasad, Ramit
CM wrote: On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:10:18 PM UTC-4, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: I think it's a very good idea. Good PEP points, too. I hope it happens. +1 especially for non-Cpython versions of

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 16 August 2013 20:00, chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: One other point -- for performance reason, is would be nice to have some compiled code in there -- this adds incentive to put it in the stdlib -- external packages that need compiling is what makes numpy unacceptable to some folks.

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread chris . barker
On Friday, August 16, 2013 11:51:49 AM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote: The trick here is that numpy really is the right way to do this stuff. Numpy does not have a monopoly on the correct algorithms for statistics functions, indeed not -- in fact, a number of them are quite lame, either

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-16 Thread Roy Smith
In article 0d60fd90-eb19-4702-acd5-dd7ba0edd...@googlegroups.com, taldcr...@cfa.harvard.edu wrote: Python is showing up in high-school and colllege intro programming courses here in the U.S. Yup. For the past few years, I've been a judge in the NYC Science and Engineering Fair

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:14:55 +0200, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: I don't think that you want to re-implement RPy. I never suggested re-implementing RPy. When you read the PEP, you will see that this

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-14 Thread CM
On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:10:18 PM UTC-4, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: I think it's a very good idea. Good PEP points, too. I hope it happens. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-13 Thread Wolfgang Keller
I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: I don't think that you want to re-implement RPy. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-13 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On Aug 13, 2013 7:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: I don't think that you want to re-implement RPy. You're right. He doesn't. Oscar --

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-11 Thread Skip Montanaro
See the Rationale of PEP 450 for more reasons why “install NumPy” is not a feasible solution for many use cases, and why having ‘statistics’ as a pure-Python, standard-library package is desirable. I read that before posting but am not sure I agree. I don't see the screaming need for this

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-11 Thread Nicholas Cole
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: See the Rationale of PEP 450 for more reasons why “install NumPy” is not a feasible solution for many use cases, and why having ‘statistics’ as a pure-Python, standard-library package is desirable. I read that before

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-11 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 06:50:36 -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote: See the Rationale of PEP 450 for more reasons why “install NumPy” is not a feasible solution for many use cases, and why having ‘statistics’ as a pure-Python, standard-library package is desirable. I read that before posting but am

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-11 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.479.1376221844.1251.python-l...@python.org, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: See the Rationale of PEP 450 for more reasons why “install NumPy” is not a feasible solution for many use cases, and why having ‘statistics’ as a pure-Python, standard-library

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-11 Thread duncan smith
On 11/08/13 15:02, Roy Smith wrote: In article mailman.479.1376221844.1251.python-l...@python.org, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: See the Rationale of PEP 450 for more reasons why “install NumPy� is not a feasible solution for many use cases, and why having ‘statistics’ as a

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-10 Thread Stefan Behnel
Ben Finney, 10.08.2013 07:05: Skip Montanaro writes: Given that installing numpy or scipy is generally no more difficult that executing pip install (scipy|numpy) I'm not really feeling the need for a battery here... See the Rationale of PEP 450 for more reasons why “install NumPy” is not a

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-10 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.417.1376104455.1251.python-l...@python.org, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: Given that installing numpy or scipy is generally no more difficult that executing pip install (scipy|numpy) I'm not really feeling the need for a battery here... I just tried installing numpy

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-10 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 10 August 2013 12:50, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.417.1376104455.1251.python-l...@python.org, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: Given that installing numpy or scipy is generally no more difficult that executing pip install (scipy|numpy) I'm not really feeling the

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-10 Thread Roy Smith
Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: installing numpy or scipy is generally no more difficult that executing pip install (scipy|numpy) I described the problems I had trying to follow that advice. In article mailman.425.1376137459.1251.python-l...@python.org, Oscar Benjamin

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-10 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 10 August 2013 13:43, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.425.1376137459.1251.python-l...@python.org, Oscar Benjamin oscar.j.benja...@gmail.com wrote: You should use apt-get for numpy/scipy on Ubuntu. Although unfortunately IIRC this doesn't work as well as it should since

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-09 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's standard library: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0450/ Please read the FAQs before asking anything :-) Given that

Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python

2013-08-09 Thread Ben Finney
Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com writes: Given that installing numpy or scipy is generally no more difficult that executing pip install (scipy|numpy) I'm not really feeling the need for a battery here... NumPy and SciPy are not available for many Python users, including those using a Python