On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 01:09, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks. didn't know about Ducky keyboard. Looks good. Also nice to
hear your experience about Truly Ergonomic keyboard.
I like it, see my first-hour review here:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:18154
no actually i
On Jun 18, 4:06 am, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 01:09, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks. didn't know about Ducky keyboard. Looks good. Also nice to
hear your experience about Truly Ergonomic keyboard.
I like it, see my first-hour review
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 14:40, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
very nice review! and on geekhack.org too — the hardcore keyboard mod site!
I enjoyed reading it.
Yes, that is some forum! Wait until I post my mods. You've never seen
such abused input devices, I hope.
i only started to use
On Jun 14, 7:50 am, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:21, Elena egarr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 Giu, 06:30, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Studies have shown that even a
strictly alphabetical layout works perfectly well, once the typist is
acclimated.
On Jun 15, 5:43 am, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 15, 5:32 pm, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks. From testing small movements with my fingers I see that the
fourth finger is in fact a bit weaker than the last finger, but more
importantly, it is much less dexterous.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:43, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
u r aware that there are already tens of layouts, each created by
programer, thinking that they can create the best layout?
Yes. Mine is better :)
Had Stallman not heard of VI when he set out to write Emacs?
if not, check
On Jun 17, 2:26 pm, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:43, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
u r aware that there are already tens of layouts, each created by
programer, thinking that they can create the best layout?
Yes. Mine is better :)
Had Stallman not
Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:30:43 -0700, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com
declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
More than that, any layout more efficient than QWERTY is practically
meaningless. The whole intentional inefficiency thing in the
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Oh, there was an inefficiency in QWERTY -- but it only applies to
fully manual typewriters, in which some of the more common letters were
placed under the weakest fingers -- to
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:30, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
Competing rumour: The layout was designed such that typewriter could
be typed out using only the top row, to improve demo speed by a factor
of three.
Utter nonsense. The QWERTY keyboard was - and this is verified fact -
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Utter nonsense. The QWERTY keyboard was - and this is verified fact -
designed the way is was because the inventor's mother in law's
initials were AS and his father is law was DF. The letter combinations
JK and L; were
On Jun 15, 9:35 am, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:00, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
For keyboarding (in the piano/organ sense) the weakest finger is not
the fifth/pinky but the fourth.
Because for the fifth you will notice that the natural movement
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 15:19, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you rusi! Tell me, where can I read more about the advantages of
each finger? Googling turns up nothing. My intention is to improved
the Noah ergonomic keyboard layout. Thanks!
Dont know how to answer that! I only have my
On Jun 15, 5:32 pm, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks. From testing small movements with my fingers I see that the
fourth finger is in fact a bit weaker than the last finger, but more
importantly, it is much less dexterous. Good to know!
Most of the piano technique-icians
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
numerical keypad is useful to many. Most people can't touch type. Even
for touch typist, many doesn't do the number keys. So, when they need
to type credit, phone number, etc, they go for the number pad.
It's not about being
On Jun 13, 6:45 pm, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
And did any of the studies take into account the fact that a lot of
computer users - in all but the purest data entry tasks - will use a
mouse as well as a keyboard?
What I think's really stupid is
On Jun 13, 6:19 am, Steven D'Aprano 〔steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info〕 wrote:
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if it
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for some reason, was unable to post the previous message. (but can
post others) So, the message is rot13'd and it works. Not sure what's
up with Google groups. (this happened a few years back once.
Apparantly, the message content might have something to do with it
because rot13 clearly works.
On 13 Giu, 11:22, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Yang Ha Nguyen cmp...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you show which studies? Do they do research just about habit or
other elements (e.g. movement rates, comfortablility, ...) as well?
Have they ever heard
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:21, Elena egarr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 Giu, 06:30, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Studies have shown that even a
strictly alphabetical layout works perfectly well, once the typist is
acclimated.
Once the user is acclimated to move her hands much more (about
On 2011.06.13 08:58 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
That's one of the reasons I like my laptop keyboard so much.
I find that the terribly tiny keys on a laptop keyboard make them very
evil. I don't see how anyone could type fast on one of them without
making tons of errors. I constantly have to fix
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
And disproportionate usage of fingers. On QWERTY the weakest fingers
(pinkies) do almost 1/4 of the keypresses when modifier keys, enter,
tab, and backspace are taken into account.
That's true on a piano too, though. My
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Andrew Berg bahamutzero8...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011.06.13 08:58 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
That's one of the reasons I like my laptop keyboard so much.
I find that the terribly tiny keys on a laptop keyboard make them very
evil. I don't see how anyone could
On 2011.06.14 07:18 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
There are many different designs of laptop keyboard. Tiny netbooks
seem to have the very worst, leaving it nearly impossible to get any
decent work done (there may be exceptions to that, but I've seen a lot
of bad netbook keyboards). My current
On Jun 15, 5:11 am, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
And disproportionate usage of fingers. On QWERTY the weakest fingers
(pinkies) do almost 1/4 of the keypresses when modifier keys, enter,
tab, and backspace
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:00, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
For keyboarding (in the piano/organ sense) the weakest finger is not
the fifth/pinky but the fourth.
Because for the fifth you will notice that the natural movement is to
stiffen the finger and then use a slight outward
On 13 Giu, 06:30, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Studies have shown that even a
strictly alphabetical layout works perfectly well, once the typist is
acclimated.
Once the user is acclimated to move her hands much more (about 40%
more for Qwerty versus Dvorak), that is.
--
On Jun 13, 11:30 am, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
(a lil weekend distraction from comp lang!)
in recent years, there came this Colemak layout. The guy who created
it, Colemak, has a site, and aggressively market his layout. It's in
linuxes distro by
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Yang Ha Nguyen cmp...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you show which studies? Do they do research just about habit or
other elements (e.g. movement rates, comfortablility, ...) as well?
Have they ever heard of RSI because of repetitive movements?
And did any of the
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:21:53 -0700, Elena wrote:
On 13 Giu, 06:30, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Studies have shown that even a
strictly alphabetical layout works perfectly well, once the typist is
acclimated.
Once the user is acclimated to move her hands much more (about 40% more
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes:
The actual physical cost of typing is a small part of coding.
Productivity-wise, optimizing the distance your hands move is worthwhile
for typists who do nothing but type, e.g. if you spend their day
mechanically copying text or
On Jun 13, 6:19 pm, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Even if we accept that Dvorak is an optimization, it's a micro-
optimization.
+1
Dvorak -- like qwerty and any other keyboard layout -- assumes the
computer is a typewriter.
This means in effect at least two
On 13 Giu, 15:19, Steven D'Aprano steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:21:53 -0700, Elena wrote:
On 13 Giu, 06:30, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Studies have shown that even a
strictly alphabetical layout works perfectly well, once the typist is
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:21:53 -0700, Elena wrote:
On 13 Giu, 06:30, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Studies have shown that even a
strictly alphabetical layout works perfectly well, once the typist is
acclimated.
Once the user is acclimated to move her hands much
Chris Angelico wrote:
And did any of the studies take into account the fact that a lot of
computer users - in all but the purest data entry tasks - will use a
mouse as well as a keyboard?
What I think's really stupid is designing keyboards with two
big blocks of keys between the alphabetic
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
And did any of the studies take into account the fact that a lot of
computer users - in all but the purest data entry tasks - will use a
mouse as well as a keyboard?
What I think's
On 2011-06-14, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
And did any of the studies take into account the fact that a lot of
computer users - in all but the purest data entry tasks - will use a
mouse as well as a keyboard?
What I think's really stupid is
Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
(a lil weekend distraction from comp lang!)
in recent years, there came this Colemak layout. The guy who created
it, Colemak, has a site, and aggressively market his layout. It's in
linuxes distro by default, and has become somewhat popular.
...
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