Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-14 Thread Peter Pearson
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:35:56 -0500, bob gailer wrote: > I joined a week or so ago. > > The subject line was copied from the description of comp.lang.python aka > python-list@python.org. > > I am very disappointed to see so much energy and bandwidth going to > conversations that bash individuals.

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-14 Thread Nobody
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:35:56 -0500, bob gailer wrote: > I joined a week or so ago. > > The subject line was copied from the description of comp.lang.python aka > python-list@python.org. > > I am very disappointed to see so much energy and bandwidth going to > conversations that bash individual

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-14 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 14-11-13 00:48, Steven D'Aprano schreef: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:35:56 -0500, bob gailer wrote: > >> Is there a moderator for this list? > > Sadly no. > > >> Is there some other place for discussions that are completely OT and >> also full of flames? > > Yes, there is private email. Unfor

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:29:03 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:35 AM, bob gailer wrote: >> I am very disappointed to see so much energy and bandwidth going to >> conversations that bash individuals. >> >> > I agree, and there've been times when I've been part of the problem

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13Nov2013 23:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > As a community, it is difficult to balance the conflicting needs here. If > we ignore Nikos completely, we appear unfriendly and indifferent to those > asking for help. If we answer his questions, we encourage him to post. It > is hard to find the r

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/13/2013 6:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:35:56 -0500, bob gailer wrote: Or would you be willing to stop the bashing? I don't see that it helps anyone, and could be very offputting to other newbies. That's what I have been saying for a long time. I believe that wha

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:47:35 +1000, alex23 wrote: > On 14/11/2013 9:48 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> I believe that whatever >> negative effect Nikos the help-vampire is having, it is long ago >> overwhelmed by the negative of the anti-Nikos vigilantes. > > I don't know, the anti-Nikos-vigilante

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/13/2013 6:27 PM, Rhodri James wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:53:46 -, Terry Reedy wrote: On 11/13/2013 3:35 PM, bob gailer wrote: Is there a moderator for this list? Posts from new addresses go to moderators for spam deletion. There are a couple a day that are discarded. Posts wit

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > "POWER CORRUPTS: ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY." http://xkcd.com/643/ ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread alex23
On 14/11/2013 9:48 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I believe that whatever negative effect Nikos the help-vampire is having, it is long ago overwhelmed by the negative of the anti-Nikos vigilantes. I don't know, the anti-Nikos-vigilante vigilantes are beginning to give them a run for their money, e

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Rick Johnson
Hello Bob, I understand your concern but you need to realize there is not much that can (or should) be done *IF* we want to live in societies that are free from oppression. The minute we start drawing lines in the sand and punishing people for exercising their freedom of speech, is when we start

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Chuck Quast
On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:35:56 AM UTC+7, bob gailer wrote: > I joined a week or so ago. > > > > The subject line was copied from the description of comp.lang.python aka > > python-list@python.org. > > > > I am very disappointed to see so much energy and bandwidth going to > > conv

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Ben Finney
bob gailer writes: > I joined a week or so ago. Welcome! Please feel free to start a new thread of dicussion about the Python programming language. > I am very disappointed to see so much energy and bandwidth going to > conversations that bash individuals. As am I. Let's talk about Python more

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:53:46 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote: >> Is there a moderator for this list? > > Posts from new addresses go to moderators for spam deletion. There are a > couple a day that are discarded. Posts with 'suspicious headers' also > get checked. Non-suspicious posts from known people

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:35:56 -0500, bob gailer wrote: > Is there a moderator for this list? Sadly no. > Is there some other place for discussions that are completely OT and > also full of flames? Yes, there is private email. Unfortunately private email doesn't give the culprits the audience

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Rhodri James
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:53:46 -, Terry Reedy wrote: On 11/13/2013 3:35 PM, bob gailer wrote: Is there a moderator for this list? Posts from new addresses go to moderators for spam deletion. There are a couple a day that are discarded. Posts with 'suspicious headers' also get checked.

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:35 AM, bob gailer wrote: > I am very disappointed to see so much energy and bandwidth going to > conversations that bash individuals. > I agree, and there've been times when I've been part of the problem (usually in the form of trying to help Nikos, which results in stup

Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python

2013-11-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/13/2013 3:35 PM, bob gailer wrote: I am very disappointed to see so much energy and bandwidth going to conversations that bash individuals. Me too. Is there a moderator for this list? Posts from new addresses go to moderators for spam deletion. There are a couple a day that are disc