On Jul 13, 5:22 am, CM cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Kevin made the argument earlier that Tkinter (and others) are so easy
to use that they render needing a GUI builder useless -- and he is
correct! But did you know that there are
Thorsten Kampe wrote:
* sturlamolden (Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:44:22 -0700 (PDT))
On 11 Jul, 14:39, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
The Unix model is: a collection of general-purpose, customisable
tools, with clear standard interfaces that work together well, and
are easily
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On 2011.07.12 05:24 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Rather than taking advantage of that convenience, commercial vendors
put barriers in the way and try to carve out little walled gardens.
Did they not learn anything from AOL?
DRM and activation
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Where is the Windows equivalent of yum or apt-get? Why isn't there a central
repository of independent and third party Windows software? It seems clear
to me that it is the major open source communities
One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
I use a GUI builder because I'd rather click less than type more. I
just
tried that in Boa Constructor; with ~10 mouse clicks I produced 964
characters of
On Jul 12, 1:43 pm, CM cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
I use a GUI builder because I'd rather click less than
type more. I just tried that in Boa
On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 12, 1:43 pm, CM cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote:
One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
I use a GUI builder because I'd
On 11 Jul, 02:43, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
Because RAD tools are for GUI toolkits, not for languages. If you're
using GTK, Glade works fine. Same with QT and QTDesigner. If you're
using WPF with IronPython, t
These [Glade, etc...] are *NOT* RAD tools. They are GUI
On 11 Jul, 00:50, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I mean what
On Jul 11, 2:42 am, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
wrote:
But Open Source land is simply too fragmented. There are too many
database bindings [and RAD requires something like an ORM (think
SQLalchemy)] and far too many GUI toolkits [Qt, Gtk, wx, and the list
goes on and on].
bruno.desthuilli...@gmail.com bruno.desthuilli...@gmail.com writes:
On Jul 11, 2:42 am, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
wrote:
But Open Source land is simply too fragmented. There are too many
database bindings [and RAD requires something like an ORM (think
SQLalchemy)] and
On 11 Jul, 14:39, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
The Unix model is: a collection of general-purpose, customisable tools,
with clear standard interfaces that work together well, and are easily
replaceable without losing the benefit of all the others.
This is opposed to the
On 7/10/11 6:50 PM, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I mean what happened to boa
* sturlamolden (Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:44:22 -0700 (PDT))
On 11 Jul, 14:39, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
The Unix model is: a collection of general-purpose, customisable
tools, with clear standard interfaces that work together well, and
are easily replaceable without losing the
On 11 Jul, 16:10, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote:
And as soon as developers start developing for Unix customers (say
Komodo, for instance), they start following the Windows model - as you
call it.
You are probably aware that Unix and Unix customers have been around
since the
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:21 AM, sturlamolden sturlamol...@yahoo.no wrote:
You are probably aware that Unix and Unix customers have been around
since the 1970s. I would expect the paradigm to be changed by now.
The paradigm of small tools that do exactly what they're supposed to,
and can be
* sturlamolden (Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:21:37 -0700 (PDT))
On 11 Jul, 16:10, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote:
And as soon as developers start developing for Unix customers (say
Komodo, for instance), they start following the Windows model - as
you call it.
You are probably
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:21 AM, sturlamolden sturlamol...@yahoo.no wrote:
You are probably aware that Unix and Unix customers have been around
since the 1970s. I would expect the paradigm to be changed by now.
The paradigm of
On Windows, you're a customer and the developer wants to make using his
application as convenient as possible for you, the customer.
So the well-behavioured, good-intentioned windows devs are making sure
the
customer feels pampered and cozy, how nice and dandy.
On Unix you don't pay and the
Ivan Kljaic, 11.07.2011 00:50:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python.
Just a quick suggestion regarding the
On Jul 11, 11:33 am, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
A gui-builder reduces the semantic gap by showing a widget when the
programmer things 'widget.'
Banging out hundreds of lines in vi/emacs for the same purpose does a
measurably poorer job.
It is very rare to need to bang out hundreds of
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:56 AM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
It is very rare to need to bang out hundreds of lines of code to
replace a mouse click interface. If properly designed a good API can
compete with a GUI. In far less time than it takes me to scroll down a
list of
Ok. I asked about this questio because I am working with python for
the last 5 years and I am always in touch about signifigact things in
Python. I am pissed of that I make my living by developing
applications at work in Java an C#. My comPany would switch to python
but they complained that there
On Jul 11, 1:03 pm, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
The one time where point and click is majorly superior to scripted
design is with pixel positioning of widgets. You can drag things
around until you're artistically happy with them, rather than have to
fiddle with the numbers in code.
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:11:56 +0300, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote:
Just a quick suggestion regarding the way you posed your question. It's
usually better to ask if anyone knows a good tool to do a specific job
(which you would describe in your post), instead of complaining about there
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
For how many years are this vui library wars going on. How many. Look.
I am a open source supporter but Windows will always kick the ass of
open source because the open source comunity can not make a decision.
You think
On Jul 11, 1:28 pm, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
To summarize it. It would be very helpfull for python to spread if
there qould be one single good rad gui builder similar to vs or
netbeAns but for python.
Well don't hold your breath friend because i have been ranting for
years about
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:52 AM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
As we all know you only need three types of geometry management:
* Linear (horizontalvertical)
* Grid
* Absolute
I contend that Absolute is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Grid
and Box (linear) are the most
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On 2011.07.11 02:16 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
You think Microsoft makes decisions and sticks with them? Look at
Office's last few versions. They can't decide on a file format, an
interface, a featureset... everything keeps changing.
Of
On 11 Jul, 20:28, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
To summarize it. It would be very helpfull for python to spread if
there qould be one single good rad gui builder similar to vs or
netbeAns but for python. So right now if i need to make a gui app i
need to work with an applicatio that is
On 11 Jul, 21:58, sturlamolden sturlamol...@yahoo.no wrote:
That's eight.
Sorry, nine ;)
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On 11 Jul, 20:28, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
The ony worthly ones mentioning as an gui builder are boa constructor
fo wx, qtDesigner with the famous licence problems why companies do
not want to work with it, sharpdevelop for ironpython and netbeans for
jython.
There is
On Monday, 11 July 2011 00:50:31 UTC+2, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I simply do not see any reasons why there isn't anything.
Please help me understand it. Any insights?
The set of reasons that nobody else has made one is *exactly* the
On 11 Jul, 21:58, sturlamolden sturlamol...@yahoo.no wrote:
http://wxformbuilder.org/
This Demo is using C++, it works the same with Python (wxPython code
is generated similarly).
http://zamestnanci.fai.utb.cz/~bliznak/screencast/wxfbtut1/wxFBTut1_controller.swf
Sturla
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On 7/11/11 2:28 PM, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
Did you notice that 2 of these 4 are not for python? One is out of dTe
and one has a fucked up licence. Sorry guys but there is not even one
single rad gui tool for python as long as there is no serious
guibuilder.
One reason there hasn't been much demand
On 11 Jul, 22:35, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
One reason there hasn't been much demand for a GUI builder is that, in
many cases, it's just as simpler or simpler to code a GUI by hand.
Often a GUI builder is used as a bad replacement for sketch-pad and
pencil.
With layout managers
On 2011-07-10, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I mean what happened to boa constructor that it stopped
developing. I simply do not see any reasons why there isn't anything.
I prefer spec-generators (almost
Chris Angelico wrote:
either brain something'd (keeping this
G-rated) or an orangutan,
There's a certain librarian who might take issue with your
lumping orangutans in with the brain-something'd...
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Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com writes:
My comPany would switch to python but they complained that there is
not even one single gui builder or framework that can allow it to make
a living from it.
That response from your company is a non sequitur. What does “one single
gui builder or framework”
On 12 Jul, 01:33, Dave Cook davec...@nowhere.net wrote:
I prefer spec-generators (almost all generate XML these days) like
QtDesigner to code-generators like Boa. I've only seen one good
argument for code generation, and that's to generate code for a layout
to see how it's done. But code
On 12 Jul, 01:33, Dave Cook davec...@nowhere.net wrote:
I prefer spec-generators (almost all generate XML these days) like
QtDesigner to code-generators like Boa. I've only seen one good
argument for code generation, and that's to generate code for a layout
to see how it's done. But code
Excerpts from Ivan Kljaic's message of Sun Jul 10 18:50:31 -0400 2011:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python.
On Jul 10, 6:50 pm, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I mean what
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ivan Kljaic iklj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python.
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 15:50 -0700, Ivan Kljaic wrote:
Ok Guys. I know that most of us have been expiriencing the need for a
nice Gui builder tool for RAD and most of us have been googling for it
a lot of times. But seriously. Why is the not even one single RAD tool
for Python. I mean what
Because RAD tools are for GUI toolkits, not for languages. If you're
using GTK, Glade works fine. Same with QT and QTDesigner. If you're
using WPF with IronPython, t
These [Glade, etc...] are *NOT* RAD tools. They are GUI designers. A
RAD tool provides a GUI designer that can be bound to a
As someone who was a Visual Studio user for many years, I felt much
the same way you do when I made the jump to Python on Linux last year.
But then I discovered Glade and am quite satisfied.
Glades UI design paradigm is a little different than that of VS but
it's not so hard that you couldn't
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