Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-27 Thread Emile van Sebille
On 2/24/2010 1:52 PM Arnaud Delobelle said... a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: That seems to miss the point to some extent. If I post my recipe for spinach lasagne here, is that spam? Are they really good? Sounds good, spinach lasagne, I don't know a recipe for them. Maybe you could

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-27 Thread Aahz
In article mailman.328.1267290305.4577.python-l...@python.org, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote: On 2/24/2010 1:52 PM Arnaud Delobelle said... a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: That seems to miss the point to some extent. If I post my recipe for spinach lasagne here, is that spam?

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-25 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
Steven D'Aprano wrote: (That last response is aimed at a generic You, not Ben specifically. Stupid English language, why can't we have a word for generic you?) I thought the word was one. -- Arnaud -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-25 Thread BJ Swope
If you like, but I tend to interpret meta- as idempotent. It's easier on my aspirin budget. -- Robert Kern And here I thought it was little blue pills for idempotentcy... Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate. -- brazzy Auburn fans are like slinkys... not

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Kern
On 2010-02-23 22:09 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-02-24, Robert Kernrobert.k...@gmail.com wrote: comp.lang.python.spam_prevention_discussion Which doesn't exist and never will. Sorry, but meta-discussions about the group are typically on-topic for all groups with some few exceptions

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Aahz
In article 87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam. Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution (to many

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Holden
Aahz wrote: In article 87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam. Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: In article 87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam. Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it,

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Aahz
In article mailman.194.1267045621.4577.python-l...@python.org, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote: Aahz wrote: In article 87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic,

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Aahz
In article 87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam. Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution (to many

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Neil Hodgson
Steve Holden: Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial e-mail. Spam is more commonly defined as UBE (Unsolicited Bulk Email) of which UCE is a large subset. Its just as much spam if its pushing a political party or charity even though there may be no commercial

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Holden
Neil Hodgson wrote: Steve Holden: Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial e-mail. Spam is more commonly defined as UBE (Unsolicited Bulk Email) of which UCE is a large subset. Its just as much spam if its pushing a political party or charity even though

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Kern
On 2010-02-24 17:01 PM, Aahz wrote: In articlemailman.194.1267045621.4577.python-l...@python.org, Steve Holdenst...@holdenweb.com wrote: Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those send these to ten of your

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com writes: Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those send these to ten of your friends emails) isn't spam (but it might just as well be). That excludes things like the religious

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Ben Finney
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: In article 87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its content (off-topic and unsolicited). […]

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Kern
On 2010-02-24 18:39 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Steve Holdenst...@holdenweb.com writes: Spam is, at least from my point of view, UCE: unsolicited commercial e-mail. So anything that isn't commercial (like those send these to ten of your friends emails) isn't spam (but it might just as well be).

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Aahz
In article 874ol65ep8@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: In article 87sk8r5v2f@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution (to many

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:39:08 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in that it's unsolicited by the vast majority of its many recipients. Not quite. I've read tens of

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au writes: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:39:08 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in that it's unsolicited by the vast

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Holden
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:39:08 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Spam is better defined as unsolicited bulk messaging. Whether it's commercial in nature is irrelevant. The content is relevant only in that it's unsolicited by the vast majority of its many recipients. Not quite.

Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST) Joan Miller pelok...@gmail.com wrote: *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important* Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically increased in the last week? Anyone else considering blocking all gmail posts to this list?

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-02-23, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST) Joan Miller pelok...@gmail.com wrote: *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important* Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically increased in the last week?

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-02-23, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2010-02-23, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST) Joan Miller pelok...@gmail.com wrote: *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important* Is it just me or has the spew from

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically increased in the last week? Anyone else considering blocking all gmail posts to this list? I did that a long time ago for all of the Usenet groups I read and all but one of the mailing lists I read. Wait, I misread the

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100 Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: And this has to do with python programming in what way? Are you new? Meta discussions about lists are generally considered on-topic for the list. You, sir, are incredibly funny :) Yes, I am. That however

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Chris Colbert
this image is appropriate: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pS7sKjlzwFg/SwhG1S901pI/Eiw/XSm93RIY2WE/s400/kelso-burn.jpg On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this list radically increased in the

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Ned Deily
In article 20100223182923.4d259d12.da...@druid.net, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: And just to bring this back on topic, I did do a test and found that splitting my mailbox between Python mailing list messages and Python newsgroup messages did not indicate that that was a good

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Aahz
In article mailman.103.1266924766.4577.python-l...@python.org, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:54:25 -0800 (PST) Joan Miller pelok...@gmail.com wrote: *Sorry by this message off topic, but this is too important* Is it just me or has the spew from gmail on this

Re: Spam from gmail

2010-02-23 Thread Ben Finney
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Joan Miller is a regular poster; this is off-topic, but it's not spam. Non sequitur. Spam is spam, not by who authors or posts it, but by its distribution (to many people, e.g. via a forum like this one) and its content (off-topic and unsolicited). The

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hmm. I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side. I'll have to look at that. One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over ten years ago was because of the diminishinig S/N ratio. I have always felt that it was a

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Lie Ryan
On 02/24/10 12:38, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hmm. I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side. I'll have to look at that. One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over ten years ago was because of the diminishinig

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Kern
On 2010-02-23 20:22 , Lie Ryan wrote: On 02/24/10 12:38, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:06:09 +0100, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hmm. I wonder if all the spam is coming from the NG side. I'll have to look at that. One of the reasons that I stopped reading UseNet over ten years

Re: Spam from gmail (Was: fascism)

2010-02-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-02-24, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote: comp.lang.python.spam_prevention_discussion Which doesn't exist and never will. Sorry, but meta-discussions about the group are typically on-topic for all groups with some few exceptions (e.g. non-discussion, binary-only groups with