On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 17:14, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> On 2022-04-16 16:49:17 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
> > Furthermore, you didn't answer my simple question: why does the
> > security update package contain metadata about Debian patches, if the
> > Ubuntu security team did not benefit from
On 2022-04-16 16:49:17 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
> Furthermore, you didn't answer my simple question: why does the
> security update package contain metadata about Debian patches, if the
> Ubuntu security team did not benefit from Debian security patches but
> only from internal work?
It DOES NOT
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 10:15, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> It doesn't (or at least you can't conclude that from the evidence you
> posted).
>
> There is a subdirectory called "debian" in the build directory of every
> .deb package. This is true on Debian, Ubuntu and every other
> distribution which
On 2022-04-14 19:31:58 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 20:05, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> >
> > On 2022-04-12 21:03:00 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 00:10, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > > > They are are about a year apart, so they will usually contain
> > >
On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 20:05, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
> On 2022-04-12 21:03:00 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 00:10, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > > They are are about a year apart, so they will usually contain different
> > > versions of most packages right from the start.
On 2022-04-12 21:03:00 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 00:10, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > They are are about a year apart, so they will usually contain different
> > versions of most packages right from the start. So the Ubuntu and Debian
> > security teams probably can't
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 00:10, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> They are are about a year apart, so they will usually contain different
> versions of most packages right from the start. So the Ubuntu and Debian
> security teams probably can't benefit much from each other.
Well, this is what my updater on
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 18:38, Cecil Westerhof via Python-list
wrote:
> Most people think that
> Ubuntu is that also, because it is based on Debian. But Ubuntu wants
> also provide the newest versions of software and this will affect the
> stability and security negatively.
I think you're
On 2022-03-31 09:46:14 +0200, Cecil Westerhof via Python-list wrote:
> "Peter J. Holzer" writes:
> > Standard policy (there are exceptions) on most distros is to stay with
> > the same version of any package for the entire lifetime. So for example,
> > Ubuntu 20.04 was released with Apache 2.4.41
"Peter J. Holzer" writes:
> On 2022-03-30 08:48:36 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 00:10, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>> > They are are about a year apart, so they will usually contain different
>> > versions of most packages right from the start. So the Ubuntu and Debian
>> >
"Peter J. Holzer" writes:
> On 2022-03-28 15:35:07 +0200, Cecil Westerhof via Python-list wrote:
>> "Loris Bennett" writes:
>> > Ubuntu is presumably relying on the Debian security team as well as
>> > other volunteers and at least one company, namely Canonical.
>>
>> Nope. One important
On 2022-03-30 08:48:36 +0200, Marco Sulla wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 00:10, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > They are are about a year apart, so they will usually contain different
> > versions of most packages right from the start. So the Ubuntu and Debian
> > security teams probably can't
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 00:10, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> They are are about a year apart, so they will usually contain different
> versions of most packages right from the start. So the Ubuntu and Debian
> security teams probably can't benefit much from each other.
Are you sure? Since LTS of
On 2022-03-28 15:35:07 +0200, Cecil Westerhof via Python-list wrote:
> "Loris Bennett" writes:
> > Ubuntu is presumably relying on the Debian security team as well as
> > other volunteers and at least one company, namely Canonical.
>
> Nope. One important reason that I really hate that people
"Loris Bennett" writes:
> Marco Sulla writes:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 19:10, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>> Both Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS state they have a five year support
>>> life cycle.
>>
>> Yes, but it seems that official security support in Debian ends after
>> three years:
>>
>>
Dear Loris,
"Loris Bennett" writes:
> (...thanks...)
> The sysadmins I know who are interested in long-term stability and
> avoiding unnecessary OS updates use Debian rather than Ubuntu,
+1; Reasonable!
Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 18:33, Loris Bennett wrote:
> I am not sure how different the two situations are. Ubuntu is
> presumably relying on the Debian security team as well as other
> volunteers and at least one company, namely Canonical.
So do you think that Canonical contributes to the LTS
Marco Sulla writes:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 19:10, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> Both Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS state they have a five year support
>> life cycle.
>
> Yes, but it seems that official security support in Debian ends after
> three years:
>
> "Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian
Cousin Stanley wrote:
>> apt-cache search lxqt | grep ^lxqt
Chris Angelico wrote:
> Much faster:
>
> apt-cache pkgnames lxqt
>
> apt-cache search will look for "lxqt" in descriptions too,
> hence the need to filter those out
>
> apt-cache pkgnames is used by tab completion)
>
Thanks
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 19:10, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Both Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS state they have a five year support
> life cycle.
Yes, but it seems that official security support in Debian ends after
three years:
"Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a
separate
On 3/11/22 11:03, Marco Sulla wrote:
> Anyway I think I'll not install Debian, because it's LTS releases are
> not long enough for me. I don't know if there's a distro based on
> Debian that has a long LTS support, Ubuntu apart.
Both Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS state they have a five year
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 06:38, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> That's an attribute of your desktop environment, not the Linux distribution.
>
> EG: I'm using Debian with Cinnamon, which does support ctrl-alt-t.
Never used Cinnamon. It comes from Mint, right?
> Some folks say the desktop environment
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 19:57, Roel Schroeven wrote:
>
> Op 11/03/2022 om 3:50 schreef Chris Angelico:
> > On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 09:51, Cousin Stanley
> > wrote:
> > > The following will display a list of lxqt packages
> > > that are in the repository and available to install
> > >
> >
Op 11/03/2022 om 3:50 schreef Chris Angelico:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 09:51, Cousin Stanley wrote:
> The following will display a list of lxqt packages
> that are in the repository and available to install
>
> apt-cache search lxqt | grep ^lxqt
>
Much faster:
apt-cache pkgnames
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 16:39, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> Some folks say the desktop environment matters more than the distribution,
> when choosing what OS to install.
Matters more to the choice? Impossible to say.
Matters more to the UI? Without a doubt.
ChrisA
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On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 5:04 AM Marco Sulla
wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 04:50, Michael Torrie wrote:
> >
> > On 3/9/22 13:05, Marco Sulla wrote:
> > > So my laziness pays. I use only LTS distros, and I update only when
> > > there are security updates.
> > > PS: any suggestions for a new
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 09:51, Cousin Stanley wrote:
>
> Marco Sulla wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Maybe Debian itself?
> >
> > I tried Debian on a VM, but I found it too much basical. A little
> > example: it does not have the shortcut ctrl+alt+t to open a terminal
> > that Ubuntu has. I'm quite sure it's
Marco Sulla wrote:
>>
>> Maybe Debian itself?
>
> I tried Debian on a VM, but I found it too much basical. A little
> example: it does not have the shortcut ctrl+alt+t to open a terminal
> that Ubuntu has. I'm quite sure it's simple to add, but I'm starting
> to be old and lazy...
>
I use
On 3/10/22 12:42, Marco Sulla wrote:
> PS: Is it just my impression or is there a plebiscite for Debian?
A vote? No I don't think so. Not sure what you mean. The reason we're
all suggesting Debian is because you specifically said you want a LTS
Debian-like distro. Can't get any more
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 14:13, Jack Dangler wrote:
> or why not get a cloud desktop running whatever distro you want and you
> don't have to do anything
Three reasons: privacy, speed, price. Not in this order.
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 15:20, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Very easy. I use Debian with
On 3/10/22 06:03, Marco Sulla wrote:
> I tried Debian on a VM, but I found it too much basical. A little
> example: it does not have the shortcut ctrl+alt+t to open a terminal
> that Ubuntu has. I'm quite sure it's simple to add, but I'm starting
> to be old and lazy...
Debian has the same
Marco Sulla writes:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 04:50, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>
>> On 3/9/22 13:05, Marco Sulla wrote:
>> > So my laziness pays. I use only LTS distros, and I update only when
>> > there are security updates.
>> > PS: any suggestions for a new LTS distro? My Lubuntu is reaching its
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 00:05, Marco Sulla wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 04:50, Michael Torrie wrote:
> >
> > On 3/9/22 13:05, Marco Sulla wrote:
> > > So my laziness pays. I use only LTS distros, and I update only when
> > > there are security updates.
> > > PS: any suggestions for a new LTS
On 3/10/22 08:03, Marco Sulla wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 04:50, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 3/9/22 13:05, Marco Sulla wrote:
So my laziness pays. I use only LTS distros, and I update only when
there are security updates.
PS: any suggestions for a new LTS distro? My Lubuntu is reaching its
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 04:50, Michael Torrie wrote:
>
> On 3/9/22 13:05, Marco Sulla wrote:
> > So my laziness pays. I use only LTS distros, and I update only when
> > there are security updates.
> > PS: any suggestions for a new LTS distro? My Lubuntu is reaching its
> > end-of-life. I prefer
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