Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-17 Thread John Bokma
"Tim N. van der Leeuw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Bokma wrote: >> "Robert Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > No it isn't. >> >> Learn to quote when you use Google's Usenet garbage. >> > > I don't know why you consider it 'garbage', How many people use GG without quoting, annoyin

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-17 Thread Steve Holden
Dave Benjamin wrote: > Hey folks, > > Why is PythonWin (win32all) still a separate download from a third party? > Is it legal, technical, or what? I think it's about time it be part of the > standard distribution. > Something that the other responders seem to have ignored is the separation of

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-17 Thread Tim N. van der Leeuw
John Bokma wrote: > "Robert Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No it isn't. > > Learn to quote when you use Google's Usenet garbage. > I don't know why you consider it 'garbage', using it myself for this 'contribution', but quoting isn't hard using google groups. Just clicking the right link

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Dave Benjamin wrote: > Sure. I wasn't proposing that this be done behind Mark's back. I wasn't > even proposing a fork; rather, just two installers bundled into one. The > user, upon running the .msi file, would simply be asked if they'd like > PythonWin also. PythonWin could be automatically combi

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Benjamin
They are readily > available, and we are all lazy enough to never do more than just > post to a newsgroup complaining about it. Well, good, at least I'm not the only lazy complainer around here. =) >> It's time to bundle PythonWin. > > So go and work on that. Nah. Sounds like the better option is to wait for ctypes in 2.5... Dave -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Benjamin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The ctypes.com package is no longer part of ctypes. > It has been split by Thomas Heller into a separate package comtypes. > See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/comtypes/ > > Still in its childhood but as easy as com can get, I guess, way easier > and better than python

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Benjamin
Ten wrote: > Respectfully, that sounds like a reason for *you* to bundle pythonwin (and > python, to be honest :) ), not a reason for everyone else to have to download > an extra 40-50% of potentially superfluous cruft with their standard python > setup. Certainly, I could bundle Python and Pyt

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-12 Thread jUrner
The ctypes.com package is no longer part of ctypes. It has been split by Thomas Heller into a separate package comtypes. See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/comtypes/ Still in its childhood but as easy as com can get, I guess, way easier and better than pythonWin at least. Juergen -- http

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
onments--why do we > tolerate their omission on the Windows platform? We tolerate them because they aren't omitted. They are readily available, and we are all lazy enough to never do more than just post to a newsgroup complaining about it. > It's time to bundle PythonWin. So go an

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Benjamin
On Thu, 11 May 2006, Alex Martelli wrote: > Dave Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> It's time to bundle PythonWin. > > No: the Python Standard Distribution, in 2.5, includes instead ctypes, > which is lower-level than PythonWin but more general (exists

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Alex Martelli
Dave Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > It's time to bundle PythonWin. No: the Python Standard Distribution, in 2.5, includes instead ctypes, which is lower-level than PythonWin but more general (exists for other platforms, lets you call other DLLs on Windows and not just

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Ravi Teja
d be their concern. > It's time to bundle PythonWin. Someone already has. http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/ > Mac libraries are bundled with Python's *standard library*. Are they? Only the documentation stubs are (in ActivePython anyway). It would be quite a

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Ten
On Thursday 11 May 2006 23:09, Dave Benjamin wrote: > Hey folks, > > Why is PythonWin (win32all) still a separate download from a third party? > Is it legal, technical, or what? I think it's about time it be part of the > standard distribution. > > There are many useful things that you ought to be

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Carl Banks
Robert Hicks wrote: > No it isn't. It is a Windows only package. It needs to stay a separate > download. The latest Python Library Reference has a section called "MS Windows Specific Services", where it has several packages that work only on Windows. There's also a section for SGI IRIX modules, a

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread John Bokma
"Robert Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No it isn't. Learn to quote when you use Google's Usenet garbage. -- John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/ personal page: http://johnbokma.com/ Experienced programmer available:

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Dave Benjamin
On Thu, 11 May 2006, Robert Hicks wrote: > No it isn't. It is a Windows only package. It needs to stay a separate > download. The Windows installer for Python is an MSI file. It's already Windows only. Dave -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Robert Hicks
No it isn't. It is a Windows only package. It needs to stay a separate download. Robert -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Dave Benjamin
utomate basic office tasks. My users are thankfully benevolent enough to download and install Python on their own. They don't know what PythonWin is, they aren't remembering it, and frankly, I don't think it should be their concern. It's time to bundle PythonWin. --