Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 10 January 2014 21:52:49 Dennis Lee Bieber did opine: On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:55:37 + (UTC), Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid declaimed the following: It got darned cold here in Minnesota on Monday (-23F in Minneapolis, -35F in Embarass), but Hell is in Michigan -- where

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Alister
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:52:36 +, Bob Martin wrote: we dont have Daylight saving time we switch between GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) at some point in the past we have also used DST (Double Summer Time). British Summer Time *is* Daylight Saving Time. My point is in

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Alister
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:10:41 +, Alister wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:52:36 +, Bob Martin wrote: we dont have Daylight saving time we switch between GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) at some point in the past we have also used DST (Double Summer Time). British

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-11 Thread Alister
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:10:41 +, Alister wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:52:36 +, Bob Martin wrote: we dont have Daylight saving time we switch between GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) at some point in the past we have also used DST (Double Summer Time). British

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Alister
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +, Bob Martin wrote: in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-10 Thread Peter Pearson
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play online, and new players are most welcome, as are people watching!), and the Aussies (myself

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread MRAB
On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play online, and new players are most welcome, as are

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 10/01/2014 18:48, MRAB wrote: On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play online, and new

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-01-10, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hell will freeze over first. But apparently it already has in Minnesota. Drat, drat and double drat!!! It got darned cold here in Minnesota on Monday (-23F in Minneapolis, -35F in Embarass), but Hell is in Michigan -- where it only

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 10 January 2014 15:24:11 Mark Lawrence did opine: On 10/01/2014 18:48, MRAB wrote: On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle DST. I run an

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-10 Thread Roy Smith
In article bjas3gfg58...@mid.individual.net, Peter Pearson ppearson@nowhere.invalid wrote: Around 30 years ago, the Wall Street Journal ran an opinion piece advocating the abandonment of time zones and the unification of the globe into a single glorious time zone. After enumerating the

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 714281 20140110 090409 Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +, Bob Martin wrote: in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-09 Thread Alister
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking about when I advocate scrapping the whole DST

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-09 Thread Dave Angel
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: [1] For those who aren't right up on timezone trivia, AZ has no DST. Similarly the Australian state of Queensland does not shift its clocks. And Indiana. -- DaveA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-09 Thread Bob Martin
in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing

Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-08 Thread Ben Finney
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: With time zones, as with text encodings, there is a single technically elegant solution (for text: Unicode; for time zones: twelve simple, static zones that never change)

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2)

2014-01-08 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking about when I advocate scrapping the whole DST system :-) I would definitely support the scrapping of DST. I'm less sure that we need exactly 24

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-08 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking about when I advocate scrapping the whole DST system :-) I would definitely support the scrapping of DST.