The fun of Python (was Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed)

2009-12-20 Thread Aahz
In article , Roy Smith wrote: >In article , a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) >wrote: >> >> -- >> Looking back over the years, after I learned Python I realized that I >> never really had enjoyed programming before. > >That's a sad commentary. Python is fun to use, but surely there are other >ways

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Smith
In article , a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: > Looking back over the years, after I learned Python I realized that I > never really had enjoyed programming before. That's a sad commentary. Python is fun to use, but surely there are other ways you can enjoy programming? The first thing I le

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-20 Thread Aahz
In article , Ned Deily wrote: >In article <4b20ac0a$0$1596$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, > John Nagle wrote: >> >> I'd argue against using Python 2.6 for production work. Either use >> Python 2.5, which is stable, or 3.x, which is bleeding-edge. 2.6 >> has some of the features of Python 3.x, but n

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-12 Thread Martin v. Loewis
> In addition to Ned Deily's previous comments, I'd like to note that 2to3 > assumes the source is valid 2.6 code - you have to ensure the code runs > fine with Python 2.6 before using 2to3 to convert to 3.x That's wrong - 2to3 works just fine on, say, 2.3 code that has never been run on 2.6. Reg

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-10 Thread Ben Finney
"Gabriel Genellina" writes: > In addition to Ned Deily's previous comments, I'd like to note that > 2to3 assumes the source is valid 2.6 code - you have to ensure the > code runs fine with Python 2.6 before using 2to3 to convert to 3.x To achieve that, you're strongly encouraged to follow Step 0

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-10 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:18:13 -0300, John Nagle escribió: Luis M. González wrote: On Dec 6, 3:21 pm, vsoler wrote: I'd argue against using Python 2.6 for production work. Either use Python 2.5, which is stable, or 3.x, which is bleeding-edge. 2.6 has some of the features of Python

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-10 Thread Ned Deily
In article <4b20ac0a$0$1596$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, John Nagle wrote: > I'd argue against using Python 2.6 for production work. Either use > Python > 2.5, which is stable, or 3.x, which is bleeding-edge. 2.6 has some of the > features of Python 3.x, but not all of them, and is neither fish

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-10 Thread John Nagle
Luis M. González wrote: On Dec 6, 3:21 pm, vsoler wrote: I recently read that many libraries, including Numpy have not been ported to Python 3. When do you think that Python 3 will be fully deployed? Should I stick, so far, to Python 2.6? Regards Vicente Soler You'll have some answers her

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-09 Thread Rami Chowdhury
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:25, Nobody wrote: > On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:28:40 -0800, Rami Chowdhury wrote: > >>> But on Unix, it's a square-peg-round-hole situation. >> >> I dunno, I find it rather useful not to have to faff about with >> encoding to/from when working with non-ASCII files (with non-A

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-09 Thread Nobody
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:28:40 -0800, Rami Chowdhury wrote: >> But on Unix, it's a square-peg-round-hole situation. > > I dunno, I find it rather useful not to have to faff about with > encoding to/from when working with non-ASCII files (with non-ASCII > filenames) on Linux. For the kind of task I

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-09 Thread Rami Chowdhury
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 09:53, Nobody wrote: > > I'm sure that the Unicode approach works great on Windows, where wchar_t > is so pervasive that Microsoft may as well have just redefined "char" > (even to the point of preferring UTF-16-LE for text files over UTF-8, > ASCII-compatibility be damned).

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-09 Thread Nobody
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:10:15 +, Edward A. Falk wrote: >>I recently read that many libraries, including Numpy have not been >>ported to Python 3. >> >>When do you think that Python 3 will be fully deployed? > > It will never be fully deployed. There will always be people out there who > haven

Duplicates of third-party libraries (was: When will Python 3 be fully deployed)

2009-12-07 Thread Ben Finney
"Martin P. Hellwig" writes: > If the fear of customers disatification prevents you from using a > certain version of X, you should consider a deployment strategy that > cuts out dependencies as much as possible. Although this will result > in a larger end package and possible high amount of dupli

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-07 Thread vsoler
On Dec 6, 11:53 pm, "Martin P. Hellwig" wrote: > Edward A. Falk wrote: > > > > > For development purposes, you should stick with the oldest version that will > > actually run your code.  Every time you move to a more modern version, > > you're > > leaving potential users/customers out in the col

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-06 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
Edward A. Falk wrote: For development purposes, you should stick with the oldest version that will actually run your code. Every time you move to a more modern version, you're leaving potential users/customers out in the cold. If the fear of customers disatification prevents you from using a

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-06 Thread Colin W.
On 06-Dec-09 13:25 PM, Luis M. González wrote: On Dec 6, 3:21 pm, vsoler wrote: I recently read that many libraries, including Numpy have not been ported to Python 3. When do you think that Python 3 will be fully deployed? Should I stick, so far, to Python 2.6? Regards Vicente Soler You'l

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-06 Thread Edward A. Falk
In article , vsoler wrote: >I recently read that many libraries, including Numpy have not been >ported to Python 3. > >When do you think that Python 3 will be fully deployed? It will never be fully deployed. There will always be people out there who haven't felt it necessary to upgrade their sy

Re: When will Python 3 be fully deployed

2009-12-06 Thread Luis M . González
On Dec 6, 3:21 pm, vsoler wrote: > I recently read that many libraries, including Numpy have not been > ported to Python 3. > > When do you think that Python 3 will be fully deployed? > > Should I stick, so far, to Python 2.6? > > Regards > > Vicente Soler You'll have some answers here: http://j