Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-14 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Andrew Philpot wrote: On 06/11/10 08:48, Elena wrote: On 10 Giu, 23:33, bolegagnuist...@gmail.com wrote: I mean ordinary people, who may want to do things with their computers for scripting, tasks that python can do... Lisp is not for ordinary people, Python is. Python is for ordinary

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-14 Thread nanothermite911fbibustards
On Jun 14, 8:29 am, t...@sevak.isi.edu (Thomas A. Russ) wrote: Pascal Costanza p...@p-cos.net writes: On 12/06/2010 19:36, bolega wrote: Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? http://norvig.com/paip.html This old book by Peter Norvig is

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-14 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski antti.yliko...@gmail.com writes: 12.6.2010 22:54, Pascal J. Bourguignon kirjoitti: bolegagnuist...@gmail.com writes: [PAIP] Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? Yes. I agree with his criticism that the book is old,

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-13 Thread Antti Andy Ylikoski
13.6.2010 7:02, Antti Andy Ylikoski kirjoitti: 12.6.2010 22:54, Pascal J. Bourguignon kirjoitti: bolegagnuist...@gmail.com writes: [PAIP] Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? Yes. I agree with his criticism that the book is old, mine stems

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-13 Thread nanothermite911fbibustards
On Jun 12, 9:02 pm, Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski antti.yliko...@gmail.com wrote: 12.6.2010 22:54, Pascal J. Bourguignon kirjoitti: bolegagnuist...@gmail.com  writes: [PAIP] Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? Yes. I agree with his criticism

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread tfgordon
Consider Clojure: http://clojure.org/ You might want to watch one of these videos for an overview: http://clojure.blip.tv/ There is also evidence that Clojure is currently the most popular Lisp, more popular than Scheme or Common Lisp, whatever that means:

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Nicolas Neuss
tfgordon thomas.frederick.gor...@googlemail.com writes: Consider Clojure: http://clojure.org/ You might want to watch one of these videos for an overview: http://clojure.blip.tv/ There is also evidence that Clojure is currently the most popular Lisp, more popular than Scheme or Common

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Antti Andy Ylikoski
10.6.2010 23:14, bolega kirjoitti: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? http://wiki.alu.org/Implementation Kindly pick one from commercial and one from open-source . The criteria is : libraries, gui interface and builder, libraries for

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Antti Andy Ylikoski
12.6.2010 12:02, Antti Andy Ylikoski kirjoitti: 10.6.2010 23:14, bolega kirjoitti: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? http://wiki.alu.org/Implementation Kindly pick one from commercial and one from open-source . The criteria is :

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread vanekl
Antti Andy Ylikoski wrote: snip Maybe it could be a good idea for someone to write an academic study of all these available Lisp implementations. Even Interlisp still lives, as it was recently noted in this newsgroup. (I did not check the Google. Has someone alredy done so? Ie. studied the

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Antti Andy Ylikoski
12.6.2010 13:04, vanekl kirjoitti: Antti Andy Ylikoski wrote: snip Maybe it could be a good idea for someone to write an academic study of all these available Lisp implementations. Even Interlisp still lives, as it was recently noted in this newsgroup. (I did not check the Google. Has

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread bolega
On Jun 12, 2:02 am, Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski antti.yliko...@gmail.com wrote: 10.6.2010 23:14, bolega kirjoitti: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? http://wiki.alu.org/Implementation Kindly pick one from commercial and one from

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread George Neuner
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:57:08 +0300, Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski antti.yliko...@gmail.com wrote: OT: (very Off Topic.) I would not trust dolphins to take care of my investments. Why not? Remember the chimpanzee that picked stocks and beat many professional fund managers?

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Pascal Costanza
On 12/06/2010 19:36, bolega wrote: What was your main reason for picking the Allegro (commercial) as opposed to one of the open source ones ? Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? http://norvig.com/paip.html My favorite Common Lisp environment is

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Pascal Costanza
On 12/06/2010 19:36, bolega wrote: Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? http://norvig.com/paip.html This old book by Peter Norvig is still one of the best Common Lisp introductions you can find, and has some excellent material that is not

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
bolega gnuist...@gmail.com writes: [PAIP] Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? Yes. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
George Neuner gneun...@comcast.net writes: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:57:08 +0300, Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski antti.yliko...@gmail.com wrote: OT: (very Off Topic.) I would not trust dolphins to take care of my investments. Why not? Remember the chimpanzee that picked stocks and beat

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread nanothermite911fbibustards
On Jun 12, 12:57 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote: George Neuner gneun...@comcast.net writes: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:57:08 +0300, Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski antti.yliko...@gmail.com wrote: OT:  (very Off Topic.) I would not trust dolphins to take care of my

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread nanothermite911fbibustards
On Jun 12, 12:57 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote: George Neuner gneun...@comcast.net writes: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:57:08 +0300, Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski antti.yliko...@gmail.com wrote: OT:  (very Off Topic.) I would not trust dolphins to take care of my

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread nanothermite911fbibustards
On Jun 12, 1:14 pm, nanothermite911fbibustards nanothermite911fbibusta...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 12, 12:57 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote: George Neuner gneun...@comcast.net writes: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:57:08 +0300, Antti \Andy\ Ylikoski

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-12 Thread Antti Andy Ylikoski
12.6.2010 22:54, Pascal J. Bourguignon kirjoitti: bolegagnuist...@gmail.com writes: [PAIP] Is there anything in this old norvig book that makes it worth pursuing as a text ? Yes. I agree with his criticism that the book is old, mine stems from the year 1992. I bought and studied

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-11 Thread Elena
On 10 Giu, 23:33, bolega gnuist...@gmail.com wrote: I mean ordinary people, who may want to do things with their computers for scripting, tasks that python can do... Lisp is not for ordinary people, Python is. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-11 Thread Andrew Philpot
On 06/11/10 08:48, Elena wrote: On 10 Giu, 23:33, bolegagnuist...@gmail.com wrote: I mean ordinary people, who may want to do things with their computers for scripting, tasks that python can do... Lisp is not for ordinary people, Python is. Python is for ordinary people. Lisp is for

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-11 Thread Chris Hulan
Haven't used it but Racket (http://racket-lang.org/) looks to be a new and improved Scheme -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-11 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Chris Hulan chris.hu...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't used it but Racket (http://racket-lang.org/) looks to be a new and improved Scheme The language isn't new, just the name. Racket is the language formerly known as PLT Scheme. They decided that they made enough

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-11 Thread Elena
On 11 Giu, 20:03, Chris Hulan chris.hu...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't used it but Racket (http://racket-lang.org/) looks to be a new and improved Scheme I have checked it out and I don't recommend it to others. Racket is not Scheme anymore (it can't use SLIB, which relies on common Scheme

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-11 Thread Espen Vestre
p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) writes: What applets? Have you ever seen a java applet? Last time I saw one it must have been fifteen years ago. I see one each time I log into my internet banking service. Unfortunately. -- (espen) --

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-11 Thread Tamas K Papp
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:14:01 -0700, bolega wrote: Please compare LISP and its virtues with other languages such as javascript, python etc. Generally, it is advisable to cross-post questions like this to at least 50 other language newsgroups. For example, you are not giving Ruby users a fair

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 10/06/2010 22:51, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: bolegagnuist...@gmail.com writes: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? What's the real world? What's real world programming? What's this doing on c.l.py? Regards. Mark Lawrence. --

Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread bolega
Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? http://wiki.alu.org/Implementation Kindly pick one from commercial and one from open-source . The criteria is : libraries, gui interface and builder, libraries for TCP, and evolving needs. Please compare

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread Pascal Costanza
On 10/06/2010 23:51, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: bolegagnuist...@gmail.com writes: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? What's the real world? What's real world programming? I guess somebody's just enjoying flame wars too much.

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread Kenneth Tilton
bolega wrote: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? http://wiki.alu.org/Implementation Kindly pick one from commercial and one from open-source . ACL and SBCL The criteria is : libraries, gui interface and builder, libraries for TCP,

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
bolega gnuist...@gmail.com writes: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? What's the real world? What's real world programming? -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ --

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread Alister
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:14:01 -0700, bolega wrote: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? http://wiki.alu.org/Implementation Kindly pick one from commercial and one from open-source . The criteria is : libraries, gui interface and

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread bolega
On Jun 10, 2:51 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote: bolega gnuist...@gmail.com writes: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? What's the real world? What's real world programming? -- __Pascal Bourguignon__          

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
bolega gnuist...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 10, 2:51 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote: bolega gnuist...@gmail.com writes: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ? What's the real world? What's real world programming?

Re: Which is the best implementation of LISP family of languages for real world programming ?

2010-06-10 Thread fortunatus
On Jun 10, 8:24 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote: What applets?  Have you ever seen a java applet?  Last time I saw one it must have been fifteen years ago. I have a Java applet that I use for GUI front end on some of my Lisp work - when HTML forms and pages aren't