On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:35:37 -0700
enigmadude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
# Slawomir Nowaczyk wrote:
# On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:35:27 -0700
# enigmadude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#
# # 2. I've never done this, but you might be able to encrypt or otherwise
# # turn you modules into binary form, and
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:39:10 -0700, danielx wrote:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:00:16 -0700, Ben Sizer wrote:
Yes, in much the same way that there is no point ever locking your
doors or installing burglar alarms, as a determined thief will
eventually steal your
danielx wrote:
But we have only considered the economics of such a decision. Even if
there is no market value to a work, a person has an understandable
desire to exercise the rights of ownership over a work, given the
amount of personal investment one makes in producing it.
There are other
Actually the reason you want to have one layer of encryption isn't to
prevent someone from understanding what you wrote, it's so that if some
company decides to acquire your code, they can't claim that you had
it in the public domain.
I think even the most pathetic encryption can serve this
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:39:10 -0700, danielx wrote:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:00:16 -0700, Ben Sizer wrote:
Yes, in much the same way that there is no point ever locking your
doors or installing burglar alarms, as a determined thief will
Paul Boddie wrote:
danielx wrote:
But we have only considered the economics of such a decision. Even if
there is no market value to a work, a person has an understandable
desire to exercise the rights of ownership over a work, given the
amount of personal investment one makes in
On 2006-08-17 16:27:46, danielx wrote:
A second point to consider: The chip is patentable (I think this is the
case legally, as well as in the court of public opinion),
No. A chip is not patentable. In your scenario, the /idea/ behind the
chip's functionality may be patentable, but for a
danielx wrote:
[The suggestion that works apparently given away unconditionally become
part of common culture.]
Extremely interesting point! This should really motivate people to
answer the question I posed earlier: Does an author of software forfeit
his rights to the code if he shares his
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:00:16 -0700, Ben Sizer wrote:
Yes, in much the same way that there is no point ever locking your
doors or installing burglar alarms, as a determined thief will
eventually steal your belongings.
That's an utterly pointless and foolish analogy.
I'm pretty sure that just because someone is familiar with the PGP
sources, for example, doesn't mean that they have the necessary keys to
access other people's data across the internet. Also, I'm pretty sure I
know how a prison door lock works, but if I'm behind bars and don't
have the key, I'm
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any idea about this ...?
Use Pyrex in order to build C-Modules from the critical
On 2006-08-15 05:40:31, Armin Steinhoff wrote:
First Iranian Open Source Community : www.python.ir
Interesting ... but you are not a member of this community. Right?
You know how to read a thread, right? :)
Gerhard
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Bayazee wrote:
Armin Steinhoff wrote:
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any idea about this ...?
Use
Gerhard Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2006-08-14 20:48:45, Damjan wrote:
I think you increase your chances of Microsoft not even being in the same
room with your software 100-fold if you release it under.. say GPL.
... and have the money to run a law suit? Patents, licenses etc
Paul Boddie wrote:
Successful software businesses are not merely founded on the process of
having ideas and implementing them - they might also need to be
effective at delivering those ideas and going through the whole process
again and again. Writing a neat utility for Windows is not by
Ben Sizer wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
Successful software businesses are not merely founded on the process of
having ideas and implementing them - they might also need to be
effective at delivering those ideas and going through the whole process
again and again. Writing a neat utility for
On 2006-08-15 12:04:18, Alex Martelli wrote:
It just isn't worth Microsoft's while to take the public-relations hit
of such a fight: much cheaper for them to re-implement your ideas than
to copy your GPL'd code.
Exactly. So by publishing the ideas as GPL code, the author presents them
not
Fuzzyman wrote:
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any idea about this ...?
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:00:16 -0700, Ben Sizer wrote:
Yes, in much the same way that there is no point ever locking your
doors or installing burglar alarms, as a determined thief will
eventually steal your belongings.
That's an utterly pointless and foolish analogy.
(1) If a thief breaks into
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:16:26 -0700, Fuzzyman wrote:
What you can do with Python is almost certainly *good enough* for most
people who ask this question - and that fact never seems to be included
in the 'reality' propogated by the knee jerk reactionists... :-p
The Original Poster *explicitly*
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:18:12 -0700, Ben Sizer wrote:
Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
that did something quite innovative,
And imagine that you found a money-tree in your back yard...
How about a more likely scenario? Imagine you're using a boring,
Paul Boddie wrote:
Ben Sizer wrote:
Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
that did something quite innovative, and charged a small fee for your
product. Now imagine you were practically forced to make your algorithm
obvious - a couple of months later,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:18:12 -0700, Ben Sizer wrote:
Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
that did something quite innovative,
And imagine that you found a money-tree in your back yard...
How about a more likely scenario? Imagine
Ben Sizer wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
Ben Sizer wrote:
Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
that did something quite innovative, and charged a small fee for your
product. Now imagine you were practically forced to make your algorithm
obvious - a
Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
that did something quite innovative, and charged a small fee for your
product. Now imagine you were practically forced to make your algorithm
obvious - a couple of months later, Microsoft bring out a freeware
version and
On 2006-08-14 20:48:45, Damjan wrote:
I think you increase your chances of Microsoft not even being in the same
room with your software 100-fold if you release it under.. say GPL.
... and have the money to run a law suit? Patents, licenses etc are only as
strong as the money that backs them,
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Bayazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
ThnaX for Your Answers ...
i am an open source programmer ... ! and i never like to write a closed
source app or hide my codes ! it just a question that i must
answer/solve it!
one of site ( www.python.ir ) users asked this
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
It's just the same with java byte-code or machine code. FWIW, I had a
cracked (and localised)
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
(snip)
If you really want something which compiles to machine code, then Python
is not the language for you. Use another language.
But that won't protect your software from piracy anyway.
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John Machin wrote:
If you want to distribute obfuscated code, consider writing it in perl
:-)
LOL
That's really strong protection. Machine code is too easy
to reverse engineer. :)
Regards,
Rob
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:35:27 -0700
enigmadude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
# 2. I've never done this, but you might be able to encrypt or otherwise
# turn you modules into binary form, and then use a clever import
# hook.
Please observe that whatever the clever import hook is, it actually
needs to
Cameron Laird wrote:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Hiding source code is incompatible with Open Source software. You can hide
code, or be Open Source, but not both.
[...]
I also disagree with your characterization of Open Source.
I don't know which part of the open source movement would tolerate
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any idea about this ...?
---
First
Paul Boddie wrote:
[snip..]
I've previously mentioned a very interesting paper which not only
described the reverse engineering of the Skype protocol and software
but also described how to make interoperating Skype clients. Given that
the well-financed developers spent a lot of time
Fuzzyman wrote:
Bayazee wrote:
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
[...]
You can distribute the compiled byte-code files (*.pyc) which are
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
All of these make it hard enough to deter most people who will ever
want to abuse your source code. Until you
Paul Boddie wrote:
Fuzzyman wrote:
Bayazee wrote:
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
[...]
You can distribute the compiled
Tim Chase wrote:
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
All of these make it hard enough to deter most people who will ever
want to abuse
Fuzzyman wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
[Skype paper]
I'd recommend an
upgrade to any business plan which relies on obfuscation to prevent
unauthorised use or modification. Indeed, I'd recommend that any such
entrepreneur think twice about starting a traditional proprietary
software
Tim Chase wrote:
[snip]
However, it's better to have a good relationship with your
customers and know that they will adhere to licensing conditions,
rather than to try and strong-arm them into behaving a particular
way.
Don't forget that distributing your source code is more of a gift
Fuzzyman wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
Fuzzyman wrote:
I never understand the knee-jerk reaction on this mailing list to
answer people who ask this question by telling them they don't really
want to do it...
Note your choice of words: don't really want to do it.
[...]
If you
John Machin wrote:
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
[1]
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any
Paul Boddie wrote:
Fuzzyman wrote:
I never understand the knee-jerk reaction on this mailing list to
answer people who ask this question by telling them they don't really
want to do it...
Well, given the pace of technological development and the disregard in
some environments for
Fuzzyman wrote:
Tim Chase wrote:
[snip]
However, it's better to have a good relationship with your
customers and know that they will adhere to licensing conditions,
rather than to try and strong-arm them into behaving a particular
way.
Don't forget that distributing your source
Ben Sizer wrote:
It's worth remembering that there is a massive amount of software that
has nothing to do with 'infrastructure', that won't need to be
maintained, or upgraded. Examples include most retail software for the
home or small office, and most entertainment software. Developers of
Paul Boddie wrote:
Ben Sizer wrote:
It's worth remembering that there is a massive amount of software that
has nothing to do with 'infrastructure', that won't need to be
maintained, or upgraded. Examples include most retail software for the
home or small office, and most entertainment
Fuzzyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I never understand the knee-jerk reaction on this mailing list to
answer people who ask this question by telling them they don't really
want to do it...
Let's clarify the question: Dear Python programmers: please tell me for
Ben Sizer wrote:
Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
that did something quite innovative, and charged a small fee for your
product. Now imagine you were practically forced to make your algorithm
obvious - a couple of months later, Microsoft bring out a
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any idea about this ...?
---
First
Terry Reedy wrote:
Fuzzyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I never understand the knee-jerk reaction on this mailing list to
answer people who ask this question by telling them they don't really
want to do it...
Let's clarify the question: Dear Python
Fuzzyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul Boddie wrote:
Well, given the pace of technological development and the
disregard in some environments for perpetual backward
compatibility, how much of your infrastructure would you implement
in vendor-supplied binaries, especially when the vendor
Fuzzyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Terry Reedy wrote:
Let's clarify the question: Dear Python programmers: please tell
me for free how I can hide my code from you and others like you.
And categorising their intent in this way
I don't see how this categorises intent at all. It's
Hi,
ThnaX for Your Answers ...
i am an open source programmer ... ! and i never like to write a closed
source app or hide my codes ! it just a question that i must
answer/solve it!
one of site ( www.python.ir ) users asked this question ! but
unfortunately i have't any solution to it ! so i ask
Bayazee wrote:
Hi,
ThnaX for Your Answers ...
i am an open source programmer ... ! and i never like to write a closed
source app or hide my codes ! it just a question that i must
answer/solve it!
one of site ( www.python.ir ) users asked this question ! but
unfortunately i have't any
On 2006-08-12, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only thing I can see in there you might object to is the you and
others like you. Here, you is Python programmers. By hiding the
source code to their programs, they will hide it from any Python
programmers.
And hiding Python code from
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any idea about this ...?
---
First Iranian Open Source Community
Bayazee wrote:
hi
can we hide a python code ?
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code from
[1]
users access ?
we can conver it to pyc but this file can decompiled ... so ...!!
do you have any idea about this
hi
in compiled languages when we compile a code to an executable file it
convert to a machine code so now we cant access to source ...
but in python we easily open the program executable(ascii) file and
read source
i meen than any way to protect my code or convert it to executable
witch can
Bayazee wrote:
hi
in compiled languages when we compile a code to an executable file it
convert to a machine code so now we cant access to source ...
but in python we easily open the program executable(ascii) file and
read source
i meen than any way to protect my code or convert it to
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:03:51 -0700, Bayazee wrote:
hi
in compiled languages when we compile a code to an executable file it
convert to a machine code so now we cant access to source ...
There are disassemblers for machine code. If somebody really wants to see
how your code works, they can do
I don't think you're the first person that has wondered about this. But
you might have some options:
1. If you are running it on Windows only, use py2exe to wrap it up as
an executable.
2. I've never done this, but you might be able to encrypt or otherwise
turn you modules into binary form, and
Bayazee wrote:
hi
in compiled languages when we compile a code to an executable file it
convert to a machine code so now we cant access to source ...
It can still be disassembled and reverse engineered.
but in python we easily open the program executable(ascii) file and
read source
i
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:03:51 -0700, Bayazee wrote:
hi
in compiled languages when we compile a code to an executable file it
convert to a machine code so now we cant access to source ...
There are disassemblers for machine
Bayazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
can we hide a python code ?
Sure; don't distribute it to anyone. Then they can't run the program
or inspect it or anything.
if i want to write a commercial software can i hide my source code
from users access ?
You can write commercial software and sell it
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