Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-15 Thread Grant Griffin
Tim Peters wrote: ... tuhple is a girly-man affectation. That's why Guido and I both say the manly toople. ... Yes, but doesn't Guido say 'Guido' with some sort of strange faux-manly 'H'-ish sortta sound? methinks-the-lady-doth-protest-too-much-ly y'rs, =g2 --

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-15 Thread Paddy
So thats were its from. My Parents used to quote it to me when I were a 'wee lad', So they read Burns -Pad. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-15 Thread Steve Holden
Paddy wrote: So thats were its from. My Parents used to quote it to me when I were a 'wee lad', So they read Burns Maybe, it's fairly well known. But I rendered it incorrectly, the actual quote is Mony a mickle maks a muckle me-and-my-fingers-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
Roy Smith wrote: Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A 2-tuple is an ordered pair in mathematics.) If a 2-tuple is a pair, then it would seem to follow that a 1-tuple is a single. Yeah, but an *ordered* single :-) A more interesting question is what do you call ()? A none-tuple?

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Paddy
Hmm, I've found a term for a large tuple, a muckle: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=define%3AmucklebtnG=Searchmeta= Definitions of muckle on the Web: * batch: (often followed by `of') a large number or amount or extent; a batch of letters; a deal of trouble; a lot of money; he made a

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Paddy
(dupple, supple, zupple) = (2,1,0) # :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Alan Kennedy
[Terry Hancock] So what's a 1-element tuple, anyway? A mople? monople? It does seem like this lopsided pythonic creature (1,) ought to have a name to reflect its ugly, newbie-unfriendly nature. It's a trip-you-uple, which you can pronounce anyway you like ;-) -- alan kennedy

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Erik Max Francis
Alan Kennedy wrote: [Terry Hancock] So what's a 1-element tuple, anyway? A mople? monople? It does seem like this lopsided pythonic creature (1,) ought to have a name to reflect its ugly, newbie-unfriendly nature. It's a trip-you-uple, which you can pronounce anyway you like ;-) All I

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Christoph Zwerschke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Then we went to hear Guido speak about Python 2.2 at a ZPUG meeting in Washington, DC. When he said toople I almost fell out of my chair laughing, particularly because the people who taught me to say it the right way were with me. When I looked over, they just hung

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Tim Peters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I work with Guido now and I'm conflicted. I'm still conditioned to say tuhple. Whenever he says toople, I just get a smile on my face. I think most of the PythonLabs guys pronounce it toople. tuhple is a girly-man affectation. That's why Guido and I both say the

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Rocco Moretti
Erik Max Francis wrote: If a 4-tuple is a quadruple, a 3-tuple is a triple, a 2-tuple is an pair, then I guess a 1-tuple would be a single. Granted that's not nearly as gruesome enough a name to go with the special lopsided Pythonic creature mentioned above. I suggest we name it a

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Roy Smith
Tim Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the-acid-test-is-whether-you-say-xor-with-one-syllable-or-three-ly y'rs I pronounce it with two. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread John Salerno
Tim Peters wrote: tuhple is a girly-man affectation. That's why Guido and I both say the manly toople. Heh heh. Actually, 'toople' sounds like a noun to me, and 'tuple' sounds like a verb, so I prefer 'toople' anyway. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Jack Diederich
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:40:09AM -0500, Tim Peters wrote: the-acid-test-is-whether-you-say-xor-with-one-syllable-or-three-ly y'rs - tim Zorr! of course. Saying All hail the mighty Exclusive Or! would just sound silly. -jackdied -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Steve Holden
Paddy wrote: Hmm, I've found a term for a large tuple, a muckle: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=define%3AmucklebtnG=Searchmeta= Definitions of muckle on the Web: * batch: (often followed by `of') a large number or amount or extent; a batch of letters; a deal of trouble; a

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Terry Hancock
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:40:09 -0500 Tim Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the-acid-test-is-whether-you-say-xor-with-one-syllable- or-three-ly y'rs - tim -- Oh dear, I say it with two, am I just not cool, or what? ;-) ex-or -- Terry Hancock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Anansi Spaceworks

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-14 Thread Terry Hancock
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:16:18 -0600 Rocco Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Max Francis wrote: If a 4-tuple is a quadruple, a 3-tuple is a triple, a 2-tuple is an pair, then I guess a 1-tuple would be a single. Granted that's not nearly as gruesome enough a name to go with the

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Salerno wrote: I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple' I went to university in Pittsburgh and work in Washington, DC. I've only ever heard it as toople. If I

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Steve Holden
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:30:25 -0500, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: I teach on both sides of the Atlantic, and have learned to draw a mental breath before trying to pronounce the word router. Americans find the British

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Ben Wilson
Yeah, I was going to say it's I-66, not Route 66, which has been replaced in pertainent parts by I-40. tuh-ple. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Markus Wankus wrote: I'm not sure, but I think it is pronounced ménage à trois. LOL. You guys are hilarious. I think I made the right decision to start learning Python! :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Erik Max Francis wrote: Even in mathematics, a tuple, or formally an n-tuple, makes more sense to me pronounced the latter if you list out the various pronounciations for large n, seems me the _uhs_ outweigh the _oos_. (There's quadruple on one side, but then quintuple, sextuple,

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Wankus wrote: I'm not sure, but I think it is pronounced ménage à trois. LOL. You guys are hilarious. I think I made the right decision to start learning Python! :) Of course! What did you expect from devotees of a language named

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Wankus wrote: I'm not sure, but I think it is pronounced ménage à trois. LOL. You guys are hilarious. I think I made the right decision to start learning Python! :) Of course! What did you expect from

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Steve Holden wrote: No, no, no. The correct pronunciation is tyoople (or, if you're being lazy, choople). Anything else is wrong, but we English are usually prepared to forgive foreigners their ignorance :-) [If I pronounced as badly as I type nobody would ever know what I was saying].

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Steve Holden
John Salerno wrote: Erik Max Francis wrote: Even in mathematics, a tuple, or formally an n-tuple, makes more sense to me pronounced the latter if you list out the various pronounciations for large n, seems me the _uhs_ outweigh the _oos_. (There's quadruple on one side, but then

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Wankus wrote: I'm not sure, but I think it is pronounced ménage à trois. LOL. You guys are hilarious. I think I made the right decision to start learning

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Wankus wrote: I'm not sure, but I think it is pronounced ménage à trois. LOL. You guys are hilarious. I think I made the right decision

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Sergei Organov
John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, silly question, but it keeps me up at night. :) I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I wasn't sure. Maybe it's

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Terry Hancock
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:52:30 -0800 Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even in mathematics, a tuple, or formally an n-tuple, makes more sense to me pronounced the latter if you list out the various pronounciations for large n, seems me the _uhs_ outweigh the _oos_. (There's quadruple

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Paddy
Its tupple surely. The following shows that we are not the first to ponder this: http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2003_03/column9 Stick tuple into the Windosw XP speech properties preview box and hit preview-voice, it says tupple not toople. :-) - Paddy. --

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Terry Hancock wrote: So what's a 1-element tuple, anyway? A mople? monople? It does seem like this lopsided pythonic creature (1,) ought to have a name to reflect its ugly, newbie-unfriendly nature. Are we having fun yet? ;-) I kind of like 'moople'. :) --

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:30:25 -0500 in comp.lang.python, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Salerno wrote: [...] I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Jack Diederich
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:52:06PM +, John Salerno wrote: Terry Hancock wrote: So what's a 1-element tuple, anyway? A mople? monople? It does seem like this lopsided pythonic creature (1,) ought to have a name to reflect its ugly, newbie-unfriendly nature. Are we having fun

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Maas
John Salerno schrieb: Terry Hancock wrote: So what's a 1-element tuple, anyway? A mople? monople? It does seem like this lopsided pythonic creature (1,) ought to have a name to reflect its ugly, newbie-unfriendly nature. Are we having fun yet? ;-) I kind of like 'moople'. :) tuples

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Dave Hansen wrote: I've seen route pronounced rout or root depending on the background and mood of the speaker I actually came up with a method that I use: rout for a verb, root for a noun. So Route 66 is Root 66, and routing an army is rOUTing an army. :) --

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread John Salerno
Peter Maas wrote: I wouldn't mind calling (1,) a simple but I'm not a native English speaker so I have no idea wether it sounds ridiculous to English ears. If simple is too simple for you just call it simplum or simplon or simplex. Heh heh, simple is weird. How about this: one-uple, which

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Steve Holden
Dave Hansen wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:30:25 -0500 in comp.lang.python, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Salerno wrote: [...] I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:30:43 +0100 in comp.lang.python, Peter Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Salerno schrieb: Terry Hancock wrote: So what's a 1-element tuple, anyway? A mople? monople? It does seem like this lopsided pythonic creature (1,) ought to have a name to reflect its ugly,

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Donn Cave
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen route pronounced rout or root depending on the background and mood of the speaker, though in this part of the country (midwest, though middle might be more accurate) the former pronunciation is far more common.

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Roy Smith
Peter Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Latin n-tuple --- ... ... triplex triple duplexduple simplex simple Would a 9-tuple be a nipple? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:46:26 -0500 in comp.lang.python, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:30:25 -0500 in comp.lang.python, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Tyoople, toople or tupple depending on who you are, where you grew up and who

RE: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Grant Edwards wrote: Well, I hope this doesn't make me lose credibility, but I've actually never seen the show! I saw Holy Grail several years ago, though. But I'm very curious about this whole cheese shop skit, so when I get home tonight I'm going to download it. :) IMO, it's not as good

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Maas
Dave Hansen schrieb: Latin n-tuple --- ... ... triplex triple duplexduple simplex simple When I was in 4th grade, I was taught to count to ten in latin: unos, duos, trace, quatro, quinque, sex, septem,

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Maas
Peter Maas schrieb: But tuples mean threefold, twofold etc. and the Latin equivalents are triplex duplex simples. triplex duplex simplex Peter Maas, Aachen -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Steve Horsley
Paddy wrote: Its tupple surely. The following shows that we are not the first to ponder this: http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2003_03/column9 Stick tuple into the Windosw XP speech properties preview box and hit preview-voice, it says tupple not toople. :-) Which only goes to prove

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Hansen
Roy Smith wrote: Peter Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Latin n-tuple --- ... ... triplex triple duplexduple simplex simple Would a 9-tuple be a nipple? Perhaps, but if you're a dairy farmer, four nipples

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Grant Edwards wrote: Of course! What did you expect from devotees of a language named after one of the greatest comedy shows in TV history? Seriously? Endless references to it until it gets painfully old :-(. The Python language, at least, has seemed to have gotten past that point in its

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Terry Hancock wrote: I doubt that helps much: I pronounce all of those words (when I use them, which is not too often) as -toopel. The only tuple I pronounce with the -uh- is couple, and I usually call that a two-tuple when dealing with Python. I prefer the name _pair_ :-). I suspect that

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Peter Maas wrote: tuples are of latin origin, so one can derive the tuple words systematically: Latin n-tuple --- ... ... triplex triple duplexduple simplex simple Yeah but there's already plenty of

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Carl Cerecke
Erik Max Francis wrote: Terry Hancock wrote: I doubt that helps much: I pronounce all of those words (when I use them, which is not too often) as -toopel. The only tuple I pronounce with the -uh- is couple, and I usually call that a two-tuple when dealing with Python. I prefer the name

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Roy Smith
Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A 2-tuple is an ordered pair in mathematics.) If a 2-tuple is a pair, then it would seem to follow that a 1-tuple is a single. Yeah, but an *ordered* single :-) A more interesting question is what do you call ()? A none-tuple? --

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Roy Smith wrote: Peter Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Latin n-tuple --- ... ... triplex triple duplexduple simplex simple Would a 9-tuple be a nipple? We don't talk about that anymore since the Incident. --

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Roy Smith wrote: A more interesting question is what do you call ()? A none-tuple? Yeah, that's at the point where it _really_ departs from anything remotely mathematical. Don't think I've ever heard the occasion to talk about 0-tuples in any context, though, so I don't think it's something

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Tim Hochberg
Erik Max Francis wrote: Roy Smith wrote: A more interesting question is what do you call ()? A none-tuple? Yeah, that's at the point where it _really_ departs from anything remotely mathematical. Don't think I've ever heard the occasion to talk about 0-tuples in any context,

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-13 Thread Terry Hancock
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:27:40 -0800 Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Hancock wrote: The only tuple I pronounce with the -uh- is couple, and I usually call that a two-tuple when dealing with Python. I prefer the name _pair_ :-). Yeah, that works too. So what's a

how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-12 Thread John Salerno
Yes, silly question, but it keeps me up at night. :) I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I wasn't sure. Maybe it's both, but which is most prevalent? Thanks!

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-12 Thread Steve Holden
John Salerno wrote: Yes, silly question, but it keeps me up at night. :) Silly you! I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I wasn't sure. Maybe it's both, but

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I wasn't sure. Maybe it's both, but which is most prevalent? In my

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-12 Thread Markus Wankus
John Salerno wrote: Yes, silly question, but it keeps me up at night. :) I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I wasn't sure. Maybe it's both, but which is

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-12 Thread Erik Max Francis
John Salerno wrote: Yes, silly question, but it keeps me up at night. :) I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I wasn't sure. Maybe it's both, but which is

Re: how do you pronounce 'tuple'?

2006-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2006-02-13, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it comes from the suffix -tuple, which makes me think it's pronounced as 'toople', but I've seen (at m-w.com) that the first pronunciation option is 'tuhple', so I wasn't sure. Maybe it's both, but which is