Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:18:15 -0800, rusi wrote: On Nov 28, 9:37 am, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: With that approach in mind, I've never had any real issues using pip, virtualenv etc for managing my development environment. Yes that is in a way my point also: we discuss (things like)

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-28 Thread rusi
On Nov 28, 4:42 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: We don't chase people down on the street and lecture them about the problems we think they are having, we answer questions about ACTUAL problems that they have experienced and asking about. ... ever question gets

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:14:27 -0800, rusi wrote: On Nov 28, 4:42 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: We don't chase people down on the street and lecture them about the problems we think they are having, we answer questions about ACTUAL problems that they have

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-28 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-11-28 14:14, rusi wrote: On Nov 28, 4:42 pm, Steven D'Apranosteve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: We don't chase people down on the street and lecture them about the problems we think they are having, we answer questions about ACTUAL problems that they have experienced and

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-27 Thread Matt Joiner
Agreed. I recently gave Haskell a go, and it was remarkable how similar the package management is to Python's. How well does the new packaging (set for release in Python 3.3?) module deal with the problems? With a better package management system, the half of the standard library that nobody

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-27 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 27Nov2011 23:54, Matt Joiner anacro...@gmail.com wrote: | Agreed. I recently gave Haskell a go, and it was remarkable how | similar the package management is to Python's. | | How well does the new packaging (set for release in Python 3.3?) | module deal with the problems? | | With a better

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-27 Thread rusi
On Nov 28, 2:46 am, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: On 27Nov2011 23:54, Matt Joiner anacro...@gmail.com wrote: | Agreed. I recently gave Haskell a go, and it was remarkable how | similar the package management is to Python's. | | How well does the new packaging (set for release in

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-27 Thread Roy Smith
In article 46c11371-411a-4ba0-89b9-967e2f83e...@k5g2000pre.googlegroups.com, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: If the linguistic features were all that mattered Lisp would be the king of languages today (that (is (one (of (the (most (absurd (statements (I've (read (in (a (long

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-27 Thread alex23
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: While Ive never seen anything as ridiculous as the debian-rails in the python world, its still always a hobson choice:  use a deb package that will cleanly install, deinstall, upgrade etc but is out of date or use a fresh and shiny egg that messes up the

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-27 Thread rusi
On Nov 28, 9:37 am, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: With that approach in mind, I've never had any real issues using pip, virtualenv etc for managing my development environment. Yes that is in a way my point also: we discuss (things like) pip, virtualenv etc too little. Try working out the

sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-26 Thread kj
it's an all-out disgrace. when is python going to get a decent module distribution system??? and don't tell me to do it myself: it's clear that the sorry situation we have now is precisely that too many programmers without the requisite expertise or policy-making authority have decided to pitch

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-26 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:40:28 +, kj wrote: it's an all-out disgrace. when is python going to get a decent module distribution system??? Python 4.3, scheduled for March 2038. It's been ready for a few years now, and a small secret coterie of privileged developers have been using it for

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-26 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 14:22 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: when is python going to get a decent module distribution system??? Python 4.3, scheduled for March 2038. It's been ready for a few years now, and a small secret coterie of privileged developers have been using it for their own

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-26 Thread rusi
On Nov 26, 6:40 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: it's an all-out disgrace. when is python going to get a decent module distribution system??? and don't tell me to do it myself: it's clear that the sorry situation we have now is precisely that too many programmers without the requisite

Re: sick of distribute, setup, and all the rest...

2011-11-26 Thread Rick Johnson
On Nov 26, 11:28 am, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 26, 6:40 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: The only thing I disagree about is that GvR is 'top' enough to handle this. For a concrete example of how uninterested Mr. Van Rossum has become, take a look at the gawd awful state of