Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-02-02 Thread samwyse
kj wrote: I'd written a Perl module to facilitate the writing of scripts. It contained all my boilerplate code for parsing and validating command-line options, generating of accessor functions for these options, printing of the help message and of the full documentation, testing, etc. A lot

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-31 Thread A.T.Hofkamp
On 2008-01-30, grflanagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 29, 5:39 pm, kj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For command line options I get a long way with this: [code python] def _getargs(): allargs = sys.argv[1:] args = [] kwargs = {} key = None while allargs: arg =

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-31 Thread grflanagan
On Jan 31, 2:56 pm, A.T.Hofkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-01-30, grflanagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 29, 5:39 pm, kj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For command line options I get a long way with this: [code python] def _getargs(): allargs = sys.argv[1:] args = []

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-30 Thread kj
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reedick, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be that as it may, the activation barrier to using Python for my scripting remains too high. =20 I'd written a Perl module to facilitate the writing of scripts. It contained all my boilerplate code for parsing and validating

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-30 Thread kj
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wildemar Wildenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kj wrote: Is there any good reading (to ease the transition) for Perl programmers trying to learn Python? www.diveintopython.org Thanks. Not for Perl programmers specifically, but it looks useful all the same. kynn --

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-30 Thread grflanagan
On Jan 29, 5:39 pm, kj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It's not the Python syntax that I'm having problems with, but rather with larger scale issues such as the structuring of packages, techniques for code reuse, test suites, the structure of distributions,... Python and Perl seem to come from

RE: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-29 Thread Reedick, Andrew
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:python- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kj Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:39 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?) For many months now I've been trying to learn Python

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
kj a écrit : For many months now I've been trying to learn Python, but I guess I'm too old a dog trying to learn new tricks... For better or worse, I'm so used to Perl when it comes to scripting, that I'm just having a very hard time getting a hang of The Python Way. (snip) I'd written a

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-29 Thread Paddy
On Jan 29, 4:39 pm, kj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not the Python syntax that I'm having problems with, but rather with larger scale issues such as the structuring of packages, techniques for code reuse, test suites, the structure of distributions,... Python and Perl seem to come from

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-29 Thread Rick Dooling
On Jan 29, 10:39 am, kj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd written a Perl module to facilitate the writing of scripts. It contained all my boilerplate code for parsing and validating command-line options, generating of accessor functions for these options, printing of the help message and of the

Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-29 Thread kj
For many months now I've been trying to learn Python, but I guess I'm too old a dog trying to learn new tricks... For better or worse, I'm so used to Perl when it comes to scripting, that I'm just having a very hard time getting a hang of The Python Way. It's not the Python syntax that I'm

Re: Python noob SOS (any [former?] Perlheads out there?)

2008-01-29 Thread Wildemar Wildenburger
kj wrote: Is there any good reading (to ease the transition) for Perl programmers trying to learn Python? www.diveintopython.org While it is a bit dated by now (Python 2.2), that thing worked wonders for me. Shows you Python in action and presents a fair amount of its philosophy along the

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-07 Thread baalbek
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Amanda wrote: (snip) I am always amazed when I meet fanatics!! I'm always amazed when I meet PC-Soft's salespersons... isn't there some non-python forum where you can sort this one out ? Why is it up to Bruno to sort this out? And what

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-02 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Amanda wrote: (snip) I am always amazed when I meet fanatics!! I'm always amazed when I meet PC-Soft's salespersons... Links abour Windev for those who like facts : http://www.windev.com/pcsoft/testimonials/index.html http://www.pcsoft.fr/annonce10/photos.html

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-02 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Amanda wrote: (snip) I am always amazed when I meet fanatics!! I'm always amazed when I meet PC-Soft's salespersons... isn't there some non-python forum where you can sort this one out ? /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [OT] windev vs python SOS

2006-10-02 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Amanda wrote: (snip) I am always amazed when I meet fanatics!! I'm always amazed when I meet PC-Soft's salespersons... isn't there some non-python forum where you can sort this one out ? Yes, you're right, sorry... -- bruno desthuilliers

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Keller
Links abour Windev for those who like facts : http://www.windev.com/pcsoft/testimonials/index.html http://www.pcsoft.fr/annonce10/photos.html http://www.pcsoft.fr/pcsoft/120pages/index.html Well, it _could_ be that all the readers in comp.lang.python are utterly braindead morons with

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-01 Thread Steve Holden
Wolfgang Keller wrote: Links abour Windev for those who like facts : http://www.windev.com/pcsoft/testimonials/index.html http://www.pcsoft.fr/annonce10/photos.html http://www.pcsoft.fr/pcsoft/120pages/index.html Well, it _could_ be that all the readers in comp.lang.python are utterly

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-01 Thread Scott David Daniels
stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue - python work on multiple platform (linux, mac, windows) A good point but it didn't interest him. Because we want to choose a language for prototyping. So multi platform is not enough. -

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-01 Thread Jorge Godoy
Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While these statements do mean something to experienced programmers, they seem to contradict everything a power-point wielding IT executive who understands everything from a 5000 foot point of view knows to be true. I really wish I knew how to

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-10-01 Thread Ray
stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue snip any idea for a strong argument ? * WinDev is a virtual unknown outside France. I tried asking a bunch of colleagues about WinDev just now. Nobody has even heard about it. Prior to doing Java I was

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-30 Thread Wolfgang Keller
- python work on multiple platform (linux, mac, windows) A good point but it didn't interest him. Because we want to choose a language for prototyping. So multi platform is not enough. With Python the prototype _is_ the application. You just need to add a little bit of

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-30 Thread Amanda
Can Windev interface with .net? YES Can Windev interface with Java? YES Can Windev interface natively with nearly every relational database on the planet? YES Does Windev interface with JMS, Java RMI, SAP RFC, mqseries and other middleware? YES Can you easily access any C/C++ library

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread aaaWindev
Hi Bruno, Let me guess, your favorite book is the I HATE THE FRENCH OFFICIAL HANDBOOK. People here deserve a more objective opinion. Here you can find what WinDev users have to say about WinDev http://www.windev.com/pcsoft/testimonials/ There are more testimonials here (in french).

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread MC
Thank you, Jean-Marc, for translation. I am not capable of this work. :-) -- @-salutations Michel Claveau -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread MC
Thanks. The essential, is that peoples ( you) can understand. Bbut, perso, I don't understand the message translated (much unknowed words...) -- @-salutations Michel Claveau -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread aaaWindev
Hi Stéphane, stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue First, no matter how good is Python, you should not desagree with your boss. Second, Windew is quite good and fun, you will love it. -- PatBiker --

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bruno, Heck. PC-Soft marketing droids are pursuing us even here now. Let me guess, your favorite book is the I HATE THE FRENCH OFFICIAL HANDBOOK. je suis français, pauvre semoule. People here deserve a more objective opinion. objective ? Lol. Here you can

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread Kent Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stéphane, stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue First, no matter how good is Python, you should not desagree with your boss. Second, Windew is quite good and fun, you will love it. Yes, the boss is always

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stéphane, stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue You don't. You're one of the marketing droids from PC-Soft ot To everyone here : such interventions are a well-known part of PC-Soft (the company that sells the

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread M�ta-MCI
Re-Bonjour ! J'avais écrit, dans le message précédent, que la société PC-Soft avait eu des difficultés financières, il y a plusieurs années. Comme je n'ai pas eu l'occasion de vérifier cette information, (et à la demande de la société PC-Soft), je demande donc aux lecteurs de considérer cette

RE: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread Tim Golden
[Méta-MCI - translated for non-Francophones] | Re-Bonjour ! Hello again! | J'avais écrit, dans le message précédent, que la société | PC-Soft avait eu des difficultés financières, | il y a plusieurs années. I wrote in the last message that PC-Soft had had financial difficulties a few years

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread aaaWindev
Hi, Bruno Desthuilliers a écrit : I've never met a programmer that loved Windev. I have met some here (I'm the guy with a mustache-just kidding but actually I was there). http://www.pcsoft.fr/pcsoft/tdftech/2006/images/Paris/07-IMG_5853.jpg WinDev is widely used in France and that's a thing

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread John Henry
Why are they all look so gloomy? I don't see a single smile on their faces. :=) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bruno Desthuilliers a écrit : I've never met a programmer that loved Windev. I have met some here (I'm the guy with a mustache-just kidding but actually I was there).

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bruno Desthuilliers a écrit : I've never met a programmer that loved Windev. I have met some here (I'm the guy with a mustache-just kidding but actually I was there). http://www.pcsoft.fr/pcsoft/tdftech/2006/images/Paris/07-IMG_5853.jpg WinDev is widely

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-29 Thread jmdeschamps
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bruno Desthuilliers a écrit : I've never met a programmer that loved Windev. I have met some here (I'm the guy with a mustache-just kidding but actually I was there).

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-28 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. Find another job. (I'm serious. I've 2+ years of pain with Windev, and if your boss is clueless enough to believe all the marketing crap from PCSoft's droids, you really don't want to work for him). I have to argue -

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-28 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
John Henry wrote: I don't know what windev is A french (highly proprietary) so-called CASE-Tool with a so-called 5th generation language (lol) that is mostly a dumbed-down mix of basic and pascal. It's so bad that it makes you regret VB6. -- bruno desthuilliers python -c print

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-28 Thread Steve Holden
stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue - python work on multiple platform (linux, mac, windows) A good point but it didn't interest him. Because we want to choose a language for prototyping. So multi platform is not

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-28 Thread Sebastian Kaliszewski
stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue - python work on multiple platform (linux, mac, windows) A good point but it didn't interest him. Because we want to choose a language for prototyping. So multi platform is not enough. -

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-28 Thread MC
Bonjour ! Comme tu es français, tu me coprendras. Alors : - windev est fermé, et protégé par des dongles. Résultat : dongle perdu, en panne, ou volé, il faut racheter une licence (c'est arrivé à un ami) - le langage de windev est beaucoup moins évolué que Python. Et, quand je dis

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-28 Thread Paddy
My french is attrocious so I got Michels original post machine transated. I liked what Michel was saying, maybe others would like to share: Hello! As you are French, you will coprendras me. Then: - windev is closed, and protected by dongles. Result: dongle lost, broken down, or flown, a licence

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-28 Thread jmdeschamps
MC wrote: Bonjour ! Comme tu es français, tu me coprendras. Alors : - windev est fermé, et protégé par des dongles. Résultat : dongle perdu, en panne, ou volé, il faut racheter une licence (c'est arrivé à un ami) - le langage de windev est beaucoup moins évolué que Python. Et, quand

windev vs python SOS

2006-09-27 Thread stéphane bard
hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to argue - python work on multiple platform (linux, mac, windows) A good point but it didn't interest him. Because we want to choose a language for prototyping. So multi platform is not enough. - python and

Re: windev vs python SOS

2006-09-27 Thread John Henry
I don't know what windev is but presonally, I found Python to be incredibly productive. BTW: I recommend that you look into PythonCard. It sits on top of wxpython and I found it to be a very productive GUI tool. stéphane bard wrote: hello, my boss ask me to prefer windev to python. I have to

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Re: SOS Win - How to save metafile as Bitmap ?

2005-02-07 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem is that: I have a program that copy pictures from Notes NSF file. The format is METAFILE or METAFILEPICT. But I need to convert them to BMP files. I have wxPython, and PIL, and win32api ext. here's one way to do it:

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2005-02-05 Thread jordan2856977
hellow everybody! I'm from china. I'm a beginner of python. in china, python is not a fashionable language, so it's difficult to find some books about python. finally,I find a book named python how to program wrote by H.M.Deitel . who can tell me where can I find some interesting source code about

Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread Steve Holden
jordan2856977 wrote: hellow everybody! I'm from china. I'm a beginner of python. in china, python is not a fashionable language, so it's difficult to find some books about python. finally,I find a book named python how to program wrote by H.M.Deitel . who can tell me where can I find some

Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
jordan2856977 a écrit : hellow everybody! I'm from china. I'm a beginner of python. in china, python is not a fashionable language, so it's difficult to find some books about python. finally,I find a book named python how to program wrote by H.M.Deitel . who can tell me where can I find some

Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread Dan Perl
jordan2856977 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hellow everybody! I'm from china. I'm a beginner of python. in china, python is not a fashionable language, so it's difficult to find some books about python. finally,I find a book named python how to program wrote by

Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan Perl wrote: jordan2856977 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hellow everybody! I'm from china. I'm a beginner of python. in china, python is not a fashionable language, so it's difficult to find some books about python. finally,I find a book named python how to

Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread Dan Perl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan Perl wrote: [...] Aren't you in the wrong newsgroup? :-) Aren't you funny? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread jordan2856977
Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... jordan2856977 a écrit : hellow everybody! I'm from china. I'm a beginner of python. in china, python is not a fashionable language, so it's difficult to find some books about python. finally,I find a book

Re: sos!

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Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread jordan2856977
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Re: sos!

2005-02-05 Thread Dan Perl
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