Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Istvan Albert
Fernando Perez wrote: It's funny how I don't see anyone complaining about any of the Python books sold here (or at any other publishing house): That is maybe because the language is fairly well documented to begin with. Try to imagine for a moment how many people would use Python if on the

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Robert Kern
Istvan Albert wrote: No one is questioning one's right to try to sell a product/book etc. But I happen to believe that trying to make money by selling the docs is stupid, you'll scare away potential users, hinder the acceptance of the product, further fragment the community of users needing

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Robert Kern
Istvan Albert wrote: No one is questioning one's right to try to sell a product/book etc. But I happen to believe that trying to make money by selling the docs is stupid, you'll scare away potential users, hinder the acceptance of the product, further fragment the community of users needing

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Robert Kern
Apologies for the dupe. It looked like something went wrong with the first send (and the first post was partly incorrect to begin with). -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-07 Thread Fernando Perez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are some comments about how that went. - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of works. But it was a 90%

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread sturlamolden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the quality of python's (free) documentation and how good it's been for a very long time, it's bit ironic to be using the phrase normal open-source documentation on this mailing list. Numeric python, which numpy aspires to be a replacement for, has perfectly

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread Istvan Albert
sturlamolden wrote: Those involved in the development of NumPy must receive some compensation. Financial support to NumPy also ensure that the developmentcan continue. I for one does not want to see NumPy as Then charge for NumPy ... or write a book *besides* the documentation. One in which

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread Scott David Daniels
Istvan Albert wrote: sturlamolden wrote: Those involved in the development of NumPy must receive some compensation. Financial support to NumPy also ensure that the developmentcan continue. I for one does not want to see NumPy as Then charge for NumPy ... or write a book *besides*

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
On 6 Oct 2006 09:26:23 -0700, Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sturlamolden wrote: Those involved in the development of NumPy must receive some compensation. Financial support to NumPy also ensure that the developmentcan continue. I for one does not want to see NumPy as Then charge

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread Travis E. Oliphant
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are some comments about how that went. - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of works. But it was a 90%

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread sturlamolden
Travis E. Oliphant wrote: Definitely not true. People in Singapore, Japan, Ghana, South Africa, France, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, and many other countries are using NumPy successfully. Gratefully, a few have contributed by buying the book, but a lot more have downloaded and are

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sturlamolden wrote: Travis E. Oliphant wrote: Definitely not true. People in Singapore, Japan, Ghana, South Africa, France, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, and many other countries are using NumPy successfully. Gratefully, a few have contributed by buying the book, but a lot more

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Travis E. Oliphant wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I guess I should just buy the documentation. I don't like this idea, because I think it's counter-productive to the project to have payware docs (would Python be successful if you had to buy the documentation? I don't think so), but

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread Travis Oliphant
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis E. Oliphant wrote: Given the quality of python's (free) documentation and how good it's been for a very long time, it's bit ironic to be using the phrase normal open-source documentation on this mailing list. Numeric python, which numpy aspires to be a

switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are some comments about how that went. - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of works. But it was a 90% solution, I could do the rest by hand.

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-03 Thread Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are some comments about how that went. - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of works. But it was a 90%