Python Toolbox 0.1 released
Hi, I'm pleased to announce the first release of the Python Toolbox: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python_toolbox/ The Python Toolbox is a collection of Python tools for various tasks. It contains: - ``python_toolbox.caching``: Tools for caching functions, class instances and properties. - ``python_toolbox.cute_iter_tools``: Tools for manipulating iterables. Adds useful functions not found in Python's built-in ``itertools``. - ``python_toolbox.context_managers``: Pimping up your context managers. - `python_toolbox.emitters`: A publisher-subscriber framework that doesn't abuse strings. - And many, *many* more! The Python Toolbox contains **100+** useful little tools. Please keep in mind that Python Toolbox is still in alpha stage, and that backward compatibility would *not* be maintained in this phase. Documentation: http://python-toolbox.readthedocs.org Thanks, Ram. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
Updated Cygwin Package: python-2.6.8-2
New News: === I have updated the version of Python to 2.6.8-2. The tarballs should be available on a Cygwin mirror near you shortly. The following are the changes since the previous release: o build against expat 2.1.0 so pyexpat builds cleanly: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2012-06/msg00142.html Old News: === Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language. If interested, see the Python web site for more details: http://www.python.org/ Please read the README file: /usr/share/doc/Cygwin/python.README since it covers requirements, installation, known issues, etc. Standard News: To update your installation, click on the Install Cygwin now link on the http://cygwin.com/ web page. This downloads setup.exe to your system. Then, run setup and answer all of the questions. If you have questions or comments, please send them to the Cygwin mailing list. *** CYGWIN-ANNOUNCE UNSUBSCRIBE INFO *** If you want to unsubscribe from the cygwin-announce mailing list, please use the automated form at: http://cygwin.com/lists.html#subscribe-unsubscribe If you need more information on unsubscribing, start reading here: http://sourceware.org/lists.html#unsubscribe-simple Please read *all* of the information on unsubscribing that is available starting at this URL. Jason -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
[ANN] tperimeter 1.113 Released And Available
'tperimeter' Version 1.113 is released and available at:
http://www.tundraware.com/Software/tperimeter/
The last public release was 1.112
What's New
--
Changed the wrapper file rebuild logic to delete outstanding access
requests independently of how often the script is run (either by
cron, or manually). This means that the 'cron' frequency now
determines the average waiting time before a user's request is
fulfilled. The '${DURATION}' variable in 'rebuild-hosts.allow.sh'
sets how long access will be permitted (The default value is 10
minutes).
Minor documentation updates, typo fixes, and housekeeping.
What Is 'tperimeter'?
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Have you ever been away from the office and needed, say, ssh access to
your system? Ooops - you can't do that because in your zealous pursuit
of security, you set your TCP wrappers to prevent outside access to all
but a select group of hosts. Worse still, everywhere you go, your local
IP address changes so there is no practical way to open up the wrappers
for this situation.
'tperimeter' is a dynamic TCP wrapper control system that gives you
(limited) remote control of your TCP wrapper configuration. It does this
via a web interface that you've (hopefully) secured with https/SSL. You
just log in, specify your current IP address and one of the services you
want to access. 'tperimeter' will then briefly open a hole in your
wrappers long enough to let you in. It then automatically closes the
hole again. Voila! Remote access to your system, wherever you are. You
get much of the facility of a VPN or so-called port knocking without
most of the aggravation. As a side benefit, 'tperimeter' will also
simplify management of your standard /etc/hosts.allow TCP wrapper
control file.
'tperimeter' is written in python, shell script, and html. It is very
small and easy to maintain. It was developed and tested on FreeBSD 4.x/8.x,
and apache 1.x/2.x, but should run with very minor (or no) modification on
most Unix-like systems like Linux or Mac OS X hosts. It comes complete
with documentation in html, pdf, dvi, and Postscript formats. There is
no licensing fee for any use, personal, commercial, government,
or institutional.
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PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
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PyDoc - Python Documentation Plugin for Eclipse
Greets! Since i'm new to Python, i've decided to create a handy plugin for Elipse SDK which is my primary dev environment. Practically the plugin is a simple html archive from python documentation website running inside Eclipse so you can call it using Eclipse help system. As for now it is pretty large (~7 mb), but i'm planning to optimize it in near future. For more information, please visit: http://pydoc.tk/ or https://sourceforge.net/projects/pydoc/ Advices are appreciated! Contact e-mail: br a href=ahaidam...@gmail.com ahaidam...@gmail.comahaidam...@gmail.com/a ahaidam...@gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On Jun 9, 10:07 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger n...@schwertberger.de wrote: And you can than go in the code editor to that function and change the code to do whatever you want. Having to go there is already more work than I would expect. I would expect to go there e.g. by a double-click. This is just a minor point, but many minor points sum up... If you take maybe 10 people each with some BASIC or Python knowledge, I would bet that you can teach most of them how to write a simple GUI program in VB within five minutes, but you'll probably fail with Boa. (And even then you would have to re-teach them in a few months when they try to write their next program.) This is worth a read in this context: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Compare 2 times
t_texas tyev...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 6, 7:50 am, loial jldunn2...@gmail.com wrote: I have a requirement to test the creation time of a file with the current time and raise a message if the file is more than 15 minutes old. Platform is Unix. I have looked at using os.path.getctime for the file creation time and time.time() for the current time, but is this the best approach? Unless you are using ext4 you are going to have to store the creation time yourself. If the files are coming from your application, use the sqlite3 or shelve module to store the creation time for each file then check that data to determine which files are more than 15 minutes old. pyinotify might be worth a look -- --- | Radovan Garabík http://kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk/~garabik/ | | __..--^^^--..__garabik @ kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk | --- Antivirus alert: file .signature infected by signature virus. Hi! I'm a signature virus! Copy me into your signature file to help me spread! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [Q] How to specify options for 'setup.py install' by environment variable?
In article CAFTm5Rs18QJskcvMiEWyOsbifBDi6wrpuA9kKC_1t_C2t57R=a...@mail.gmail.com, Makoto Kuwata k...@kuwata-lab.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article caftm5rucoaztp89mbpw4utiska8zq58q9evjel1ofulbc-p...@mail.gmail.com, Makoto Kuwata k...@kuwata-lab.com wrote: setup.py install command supports options such as --prefix, --install-scripts, and so on. For example: $ python setup.py install --prefix=$PWD/local --install-scripts=$PWD/bin Question: is it possible to specify these options by environment variable? I want to specify --prefix or --install-scripts options, but it is too troublesome for me to specify them in command line every time. There are some environment variable options for Distutils-based (i.e. with setup.py) installations. The supported method is to put frequently-used preferences into one of several configuration files. See http://docs.python.org/install/index.html#inst-config-fileshttp://docs.py thon.org/install/index.html#inst-config-files Thank you Ned, but I can't find environment variable name on that page which is equivarent to '--install-scripts' or other options. Sorry, I wasn't clear. Using the Distutils config files would be instead of setting environment variables. For example, you could do something like this: $ cat $HOME/.pydistutils.cfg EOF [install] prefix = local install-scripts = local/bin EOF That will apply globally whenever you run a Distutils script, unless it is overridden by a $PWD/setup.cfg file with an [install] section. -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
PyDoc - Python Documentation Plugin for Eclipse
Greets! Since i'm new to Python, i've decided to create a handy plugin for Elipse SDK which is my primary dev environment. Practically the plugin is a simple html archive from python documentation website running inside Eclipse so you can call it using Eclipse help system. As for now it is pretty large (~7 mb), but i'm planning to optimize it in near future. For more information, please visit: http://pydoc.tk/ or https://sourceforge.net/projects/pydoc/ Advices are appreciated! Contact e-mail: br a href=ahaidam...@gmail.com ahaidam...@gmail.comahaidam...@gmail.com/a ahaidam...@gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
PyDoc - Python Documentation Plugin for Eclipse
Greets! Since i'm new to Python, i've decided to create a handy plugin for Elipse SDK which is my primary dev environment. Practically the plugin is a simple html archive from python documentation website running inside Eclipse so you can call it using Eclipse help system. As for now it is pretty large (~7 mb), but i'm planning to optimize it in near future. For more information, please visit: http://pydoc.tk/ or https://sourceforge.net/projects/pydoc/ Advices are appreciated! Contact e-mail: br a href=ahaidam...@gmail.com ahaidam...@gmail.comahaidam...@gmail.com/a ahaidam...@gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyDoc - Python Documentation Plugin for Eclipse
On 6/10/2012 4:22 AM, Alexey Gaidamaka wrote: Practically the plugin is a simple html archive from python documentation website running inside Eclipse so you can call it using Eclipse help system. As for now it is pretty large (~7 mb), but i'm planning to optimize it in near future. Rather than archive documentation, why not use a simple static page that points to the different sections for each version of Python on docs.python.org? The 2.7.3 documentation is mostly useless to me since I'm using 3.3 (and of course there are some using 2.6 or 3.2 or 3.1...), but I can easily access it from a link in the page you've archived. Not only would this reduce the size of the plugin to almost nothing, but it would prevent the documentation from being outdated. For more information, please visit: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pydoc/ Why isn't it installed like other Eclipse plugins? Is it even possible to update the plugin via Eclipse? This does look like a very useful plugin, though. Great idea. -- CPython 3.3.0a3 | Windows NT 6.1.7601.17790 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On 10 June 2012 07:16, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: This is worth a read in this context: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides Interesting! I definitely fall nicely at one extreme of this dichotomy. Every time I've tried to use an IDE, it's made me feel inadequate and I've quickly retreated to my comfort zone (emacs + xterm). I felt inadequate because I felt like the IDE was hindering me rather than helping me. All I ask from the program that I use to write code is: * syntax highlighting * sensible auto-indenting * as little reliance on the mouse as possible * emacs key bindings :) This article makes me feel more positive about my inability to feel comfortable in an IDE. Thanks for the link! -- Arnaud -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
[becky_lewis bex.le...@gmail.com] Lisp and Clojure are functional languages. No, they're not. But you can (and often will) do quite a bit of functional programming in Lisp, as it lends itself quite naturally to that way of thinking. But in (Common) Lisp you also have CLOS, which is a rather different way to do object oriented programming. It will widen your horizon in more than one way. The advice to learn just one programming language at a time seems sound, though. I would take it, if I were you. -- * Harald Hanche-Olsen URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/ - It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. -- Bertrand Russell -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
Am 10.06.2012 08:16, schrieb rusi: This is worth a read in this context: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides So which language would you suggest to use next? ;-) I've read the article. It presents some nice ideas, but probably the author has not used Python before. Otherwise he would have noticed that the overall productivity does not only depend on language and IDE/editor, but on the complete environment which in the case of Python includes the ability to use the interpreter interactively. For many tasks that's a major productivity boost. But that's a point that many people don't see because their current language like C# or Java does not have an interpreter and when they just look at the syntax, the find there's not enough improvement to switch. Also, I'm not sure whether the author counts the libraries as language or tool feature. In my opinion the environment and the libraries should be listed on their own in such an article. Libraries are developed after the language, but usually they are ahead of the other tools/IDEs. The author lists many IDE features that I personally don't find too important (the refactoring capabilities of a simple text editor are fine for me...). But following the link to Laszlo made the reason quite clear because his IDE background is from Eclipse not from Python. Btw.: I've been using Python for 16 or 17 years now. Only 3 years ago I did the switch from Editor to IDE (Wing IDE) and this has brought a *significant* boost of productivity (especially the good debugger allows you to code in a different way as you can use the interactive interpreter at any point in your program). But back to my original point, this time in the context of the article: If you want to 'sell' a programming language for corporate use, you absolutely need the tools. And this includes an easy-to-use GUI editor which does not only allow to create the GUI, but also to fill it with code. Most corporate users are casual users, not full time programmers. Regards, Dietmar -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
My mistake about Lisp being purely functional (I have very little experience with common Lisp itself), though Clojure is. That doesn't change my point, to which you appear to agree, Lisp and Clojure teach folks a different way of approaching problems, which is always useful :) On Jun 10, 12:25 pm, Harald Hanche-Olsen han...@math.ntnu.no wrote: [becky_lewis bex.le...@gmail.com] Lisp and Clojure are functional languages. No, they're not. But you can (and often will) do quite a bit of functional programming in Lisp, as it lends itself quite naturally to that way of thinking. But in (Common) Lisp you also have CLOS, which is a rather different way to do object oriented programming. It will widen your horizon in more than one way. The advice to learn just one programming language at a time seems sound, though. I would take it, if I were you. -- * Harald Hanche-Olsen URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/ - It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. -- Bertrand Russell -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
looking for a python script disk/storage benchmark
Hi All, I am started to write a utility (python 3.x) to test storage/disk benchmark , my thought were using binary buffered Io, but i would like to see if there any script out there written so i would use as template searching via Google found only one but not what exactly what i am looking for. if someone knows or have one please share. Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Nexus Programming Language
On 10/06/2012 1:45 AM, rusi wrote:
On Jun 10, 7:46 am, Adam Campbellabcampbell...@gmail.com wrote:
The Nexus programming language version 0.5.0 has been released. It is
an object-oriented, dynamically-typed, reflective programming
language, drawing from Lua and Ruby.www.nexuslang.org
What does nexus have that python doesn't?
Yeah I know this kind of question leads to flames but a brief glance
at the about page does not tell me anything in this direction.
It has a more complex block structure, with lots of braces {}.
Colin W.
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Another non blocking method in thread
Hi, I have created a very simple client-server model using sockets. Server is created by sub classing threading.thread. The 'run' method is continuously listening for client's response. When server send a string to client, client response back by changing that string into uppercase. I would like to synchronize send and receive. For example: def sendmsg(self, msg): self.client.send(msg) #wait until next msg is received in 'run' return self.response I tried using a while loop for waiting but it's blocking the 'run' method. Don't know much about threading event and lock and if they can help me here. Any pointers? Prashant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
On 10/06/12 00:44, Yesterday Paid wrote: I'm planning to learn one more language with my python. Just my personal experience, but after passively learning many many languages, I came to the conclusion that I (and I suppose many others) am able to learn only one platform well. The point is that you are never interested in learning *a language*, everybody who has at least some touch with programming can learn most languages in one session in the afternoon. But nobody is interested in you knowing a language, you need to know the platform with all libraries, standards, style, and culture. And *that* demands you focus on one language completely. Yes, of course, you will know couple of other languages and be able to write a thing in it (everybody needs to know a bit of JavaScript these days, and if you are on Unix/Linux,Mac OS X, you need to know a bit of shell scripting), but that's different from Zen Writing (that's my personal homage to recently deceased Ray Bradbury and his essay http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=wikipediaq=isbn%3A1877741094). The language in which you write those 100 lines of code per day (that's my rough estimate of an equivalent for Bradbury's daily portion of prose to be written) should be IMHO only the one. I think the similarity with story writing makes a lot of sense. Yes, many people speak and write more than one language (me included, English is not my first language), but that's not the same as writing stories professionally. At the moment, I can think only about one successful famous writer how changed his main language (Kundera), but I don't recall ATM any writer who would be writing in multiple languages at one time. (yes, switches between main programming languages is more possible, because programming languages are endlessly less complicated than natural ones) Just my 0.02CZK Matěj -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Just my personal experience, but after passively learning many many languages, I came to the conclusion that I (and I suppose many others) am able to learn only one platform well. The point is that you are never interested in learning *a language*, everybody who has at least some touch with programming can learn most languages in one session in the afternoon. But nobody is interested in you knowing a language, you need to know the platform with all libraries, standards, style, and culture. And *that* demands you focus on one language completely. Currently, I'm working professionally in Pike, C++, bash, PHP, and Javascript, but only one platform: Unix. Everything's done to our own internal philosophy, which mostly aligns with the Unix notion of building small tools that link together (rather than monoliths for entire tasks). Learning and managing multiple languages isn't itself a problem, though I do recommend learning just one at a time until you stop considering yourself a novice (master a half-dozen languages or so, that's a start). ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyDoc - Python Documentation Plugin for Eclipse
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 05:02:35 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote: On 6/10/2012 4:22 AM, Alexey Gaidamaka wrote: Practically the plugin is a simple html archive from python documentation website running inside Eclipse so you can call it using Eclipse help system. As for now it is pretty large (~7 mb), but i'm planning to optimize it in near future. Rather than archive documentation, why not use a simple static page that points to the different sections for each version of Python on docs.python.org? The 2.7.3 documentation is mostly useless to me since I'm using 3.3 (and of course there are some using 2.6 or 3.2 or 3.1...), but I can easily access it from a link in the page you've archived. Not only would this reduce the size of the plugin to almost nothing, but it would prevent the documentation from being outdated. For more information, please visit: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pydoc/ Why isn't it installed like other Eclipse plugins? Is it even possible to update the plugin via Eclipse? This does look like a very useful plugin, though. Great idea. Thanx! All that you've mentioned is planned in the next versions of the plugin. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com writes: The point is that you are never interested in learning *a language*, everybody who has at least some touch with programming can learn most languages in one session in the afternoon. Really, that's only if the new language is pretty much the same as the old ones, in which case you haven't really learned much of anything. Languages that use interesting new concepts are challenges in their own right. Here is an interesting exercise for statically typed languages, unsuitable for Python but not too hard in Haskell: http://blog.tmorris.net/understanding-practical-api-design-static-typing-and-functional-programming/ It doesn't require the use of any libraries, standards, style, or culture. I can tell you as a fairly strong Python programemr who got interested in Haskell a few years ago, it took me much longer than an afternoon to get to the point of being able to solve a problem like the above. It required absorbing new concepts that Python simply does not contain. But it gave me the ability to do things I couldn't do before. That's a main reason studying new languages is challenging and worthwhile. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On 6/8/12 8:27 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: What GUI designer would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that allows to actually connect the GUI created directly to the code and make it available live in an IDE? If you're developing on the Mac, PyObjC allows you to use Interface Builder for developing Python apps. However, there are those of us who are deeply uncomfortable with IB and related tools, such as RealBasic and LiveCode/Runtime Revolution. These tools make code organization very hard by reducing the amount of code written to the point of the UI working by magic, and/or by breaking up your code into little snippets that you can only view by clicking on the widget in the UI tool. A related issue is that using a tool such as this makes you heavily dependent on that particular tool, and subject to its developers' priorities, release schedule, and bugs. The pace of Xcode development--with Apple making frequent changes to project formats in a backwards-incompatible way--is an example of this. One reason I prefer to code UI's by hand is because a) in Tkinter it's very easy to do, and b) it allows me to have a much better mental model of my code and my app's functionality--I can put everything into as many .py files as I need to, and can edit my code with any text editor. I think these issues are a reason that the slick drag-and-drop UI builders tend to be developed by commercial software shops to support their language and/or IDE, but find little traction among open-source developers and languages. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Nexus Programming Language
On Jun 10, 7:21 am, Colin J. Williams c...@ncf.ca wrote:
On 10/06/2012 1:45 AM, rusi wrote:
What does nexus have that python doesn't?
Yeah I know this kind of question leads to flames but a brief glance
at the about page does not tell me anything in this direction.
It has a more complex block structure, with lots of braces {}.
So in other words, it another Ruby?
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Re: Nexus Programming Language
On Jun 10, 12:45 am, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 10, 7:46 am, Adam Campbell abcampbell...@gmail.com wrote: The Nexus programming language version 0.5.0 has been released. It is an object-oriented, dynamically-typed, reflective programming language, drawing from Lua and Ruby.www.nexuslang.org What does nexus have that python doesn't? Yeah I know this kind of question leads to flames but a brief glance at the about page does not tell me anything in this direction. Oh rusi, you're not fooling anybody. We know your a total ruby fanboy and probably an unoffical member of the nexus dev team. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: what gui designer is everyone using
On Jun 7, 4:18 pm, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote: On 6/5/12 10:10 AM, Mark R Rivet wrote: I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular? None. I write GUI code by hand (Tkinter). I second that notion. Writing GUI code by hand is the only way. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On Jun 8, 7:27 am, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: This whole cycle of design GUI-generate code-add own code to generated code-run application with GUI has always seemed very un-pythonic to me. A dynamic, interpreted language should allow to work in a more lively, direct way to build a GUI. I strongly agree with this statement also. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
On 10/06/12 18:32, Paul Rubin wrote: Really, that's only if the new language is pretty much the same as the old ones, in which case you haven't really learned much of anything. Languages that use interesting new concepts are challenges in their own right. Well, I could at least passively read many languages (starting with Pascal, C, and unsuccessful attempt to learn Prolog, so even statically typed languages are not that mysterious to me), so learning new ones is not that problem. And yes, to be completely honest, functional languages are my weakest part (although I have used Emacs for some time, I still haven't learned writing in any Lisp properly). Matěj -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On Jun 9, 8:25 am, Dietmar Schwertberger n...@schwertberger.de
wrote:
Before anyone now writes Good GUIs are coded by hand:
I agree, but for many purposes only simple GUIs are required
and it should be possible to create these without studying manuals
(on toolkit and GUI editor).
It is possible. Try Tkinter for the get-you-from-a-to-b solution,
or, wxPython if you like fog lamps, heated seats, and navigation
systems.
A typical simple GUI would e.g. be for a measurement / data aquisition
program, where you just need some buttons and fields.
Buttons and feilds are just a few short lines of code. Look. You guys
don't need a visual GUI builder. What you need to do is stop being
lazy and spend a few hours studing the basics of Tkinter and wxPyhon
(or whatever else suits your needs). IMO, every single python
programmer who needs GUI interfaces should know the basics of AT LEAST
Tkinter without even looking at the docs. I mean, how difficult is:
import Tkinter as tk
from Tkconstants import *
root = tk.Tk()
root.title('Noob')
for x in range(10):
f = tk.Frame(root)
f.pack(fill=X, expand=YES)
l = tk.Label(f, text=Field_+str(x))
l.pack(side=LEFT, anchor=W)
e = tk.Entry(f)
e.pack(side=LEFT, fill=X, expand=YES)
root.mainloop()
#
# Or even better. Use grid!
#
root = tk.Tk()
root.title('Amatuer')
root.columnconfigure(1, weight=1)
for x in range(10):
l = tk.Label(root, text=Field_+str(x))
l.grid(row=x, column=0, sticky=W)
e = tk.Entry(root)
e.grid(row=x, column=1, sticky=W+E)
root.mainloop()
#
# Or become a pro and create reusable objects!
#
class LE(tk.Frame):
def __init__(self, master, **kw):
tk.Frame.__init__(self, master)
self.l = tk.Label(self, **kw)
self.l.pack(side=LEFT)
self.e = tk.Entry(self)
self.e.pack(side=LEFT, fill=X, expand=YES)
root = tk.Tk()
root.title('Pro')
for x in range(10):
le = LE(root, text=Field_+str(x))
le.pack(fill=X, expand=YES)
root.mainloop()
I think that something in the style of Visual BASIC (version 6) is required
for either wxPython or PyQt/PySide (or both).
In the Visual BASIC editor you can e.g. add a GUI element
and directly go to the code editor to fill methods (e.g. an OnClick
method).
With Tkinter you add a GUI element IN THE CODE and then you are
ALREADY in the code editor! What an amazing concept! No juggling
editors and windows. No need to mentally switch from one language to
another. Can you imagine how productive you could be?
If you have not used VB before, you should just try it. You can create
GUIs within a few minutes even if you haven't used it before.
Allow me to qualify that very naive generalization: ANYBODY and point
and click, very few can actually write code.
(Sure, the fact that anyone can use it has the side effect that most
of these GUIs are not good...)
Well i see that you agree. Look. This is fact. GUI's require you to
write code. You cannot get around this fact. Sure, you can create some
templates. But in the end, you will have to write in order to link the
templates together.
I say. If your GUI kit gives you the feeling that you are writing too
much boilerplate, well, then, it's time to wrap up some re-usable
functionality on your own. I have done this myself with Tkinter AND Wx.
( although much more so with Tkinter being that is a poorly designed
GUI)
Also:
Such an editor should support simple manual layouts without enforcing
the use of sizers (wx) or layout managers (Qt).
These add an additional level of complexity which is not required
for simple GUIs.
See above code for example of *gasps* simple layouts in REAL code!
Background:
I'm using Python in a corporate environment but I'm more or less
the only one using it. I could propagate Python for wider use as it
is the best available language for things like hardware control and
data acquisition, but the lack of an easy-to-use GUI editor is
the blocking point.
BS!
I can teach anyone how to create a program for data
acquisition, but I don't see how more than a few could create a GUI
without an easy-to-use tool.
Like Tkinter?
There's still a lot of VB6 code around as there's no replacement and
this gap could well be filled by Python.
Visual Basic sucks. I spend more time re-focusing my mental energy
than actually getting work done. There is no replacement for pure raw
code. You visualize GUI's in you mind, and fingers bring that vision
to life through properly written API's.
Never invent a new problem for a solution that does not exist.
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Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
(Sorry for posting without references to the previous messages, but it seems that many messages don't get through to the nntp server that I'm using.) Chris Angelico wrote (in two posts): There was a time when that was a highly advertisable feature - build XYZ applications without writing a single line of code!. I've seen it in database front-end builders as well as GUI tools, same thing. But those sorts of tools tend not to be what experts want to use. You end up having to un-learn the easy way before you learn the hard way that lets you do everything. This time is not over. Especially when you look at data acquisition and control applications where tools like Labview are widely used. Personally, I would not want to use such tools as I find it quite complicated to implement any logic with a graphical editor. But when you want to sell an alternative to such tools, then you should not offer a tool which makes it almost impossible for a typical engineer to create a simple GUI. You refer to non-programmers and then point out that they would be lost trying to add code. That's a natural consequence of not being a programmer, Sure, but with non-programmers I'm referring to typical engineers who can implement some basic programs for measurement, control or data processing. and of all languages to help someone bridge that gap and start coding, I would say Python is, if not the absolute best, certainly up there somewhere. Just as you wouldn't expect a music 100% agreed. It's the only programming language that I can recommend to casual or even non-programmers, but only as long as he/she's not interested in GUI programming. authoring program to let someone publish score without knowing how to compose music, you can't expect a GUI tool to relieve you of the need to write code. The audience of GUI editors is not the artist / professional... WYSIWYG UI designers suffer badly from a need to guess _why_ the human did what s/he did. Build your UI manually, and there's no guesswork - you explicitly _tell_ the computer what to do and why. True for non-trivial applications. I don't have many windows and dialogs that could have been created using a GUI editor in my main wxPython based application. But even then: I've learned wxPython from looking at the code that wxDesigner created. Of course, that was in 1999/2000 when no books on such matters were available. There's an assumption in most of the Windows world that everything needs a GUI. For a simple data acquisition program, I wouldn't use one - I'd have it run in a console. That's something that any programmer should be able to create without studying complex manuals; all you need to know is the basics of I/O and possibly argument parsing. Yes, usually I'm using a console as most measurement programs are quite straighforward and linear. But I don't see a way to convince people to go back to the console. They will always want to implement a basic GUI for one or the other program and then they will end up frustrated... (Or I have to implement the GUI for them, which is not an option.) I've used Visual Basic. My first salaried work was on VB. Making it easy to throw together a simple GUI doesn't mean a thing when you have a large project to write - your business logic and UI design work will I would never consider or recommend to write anything significant using a GUI builder. Also, I would never recommend anyone to use VB at all. But given the lack of alternatives, it still has a significant market share. (The fact that anyone can hack together a program in VB has the side- effect that most programs are not very good...) massively dwarf the effort of actually throwing widgets into a hierarchy. So the only time it's going to be an issue is with trivial programs; which means there isn't much to be saved. Just make your trivial things run in a console, and then either use a GUI builder (several have been mentioned) or hand-write your UI code. Right, we're talking about non-trivial programs with almost trivial user interfaces. But I don't see a Python GUI builder which a casual user could use to add a GUI to the code. (To be exact: it's easy to create a GUI with one or the other builder, but non-trivial to connect it to the backend.) Actually, there's a third option these days. Give it no console and no GUI, make it respond to HTTP connections, and use a web browser as your UI. :) I don't think that this is easier for the casual user as multiple languages and environments are involved. But on the other hand there are some (mainly commercial) organizations who believe that HTML5, CSS and Javascript are the future for GUI programming. Personally, I prefer Python with console, wx or Qt for local applications and Python/HTTP/HTML/Javascript for multi-user database applications. Regards, Dietmar -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
Am 10.06.2012 21:36, schrieb Rick Johnson: It is possible. Try Tkinter for the get-you-from-a-to-b solution, or, wxPython if you like fog lamps, heated seats, and navigation systems. I prefer wx or Qt. The look and feel is one reason. But the fact that Tkinter is still the standard GUI toolkit tells a lot about the situation... Buttons and feilds are just a few short lines of code. Look. You guys don't need a visual GUI builder. What you need to do is stop being lazy and spend a few hours studing the basics of Tkinter and wxPyhon (or whatever else suits your needs). IMO, every single python programmer who needs GUI interfaces should know the basics of AT LEAST Tkinter without even looking at the docs. I mean, how difficult is: [snipped code examples] Sure, I know how to code GUIs. But the learning curve is too steep for new users wanting to implement simple GUIs. With Tkinter you add a GUI element IN THE CODE and then you are ALREADY in the code editor! What an amazing concept! No juggling editors and windows. No need to mentally switch from one language to another. Can you imagine how productive you could be? I thought about preparing some templates for typcial applications, but I abandonded this as I don't think that it would work out well. If you have not used VB before, you should just try it. You can create GUIs within a few minutes even if you haven't used it before. Allow me to qualify that very naive generalization: ANYBODY and point and click, very few can actually write code. Right. I won't comment on the quality of the most VB code. But there are many applications where the quality of the code is not the main objective. It just needs to work e.g. to set up the instrument and read back data. The know-how and value is not the GUI code, but in the instrument setup and data evaluation. I say. If your GUI kit gives you the feeling that you are writing too much boilerplate, well, then, it's time to wrap up some re-usable functionality on your own. I have done this myself with Tkinter AND Wx. ( although much more so with Tkinter being that is a poorly designed GUI) Did the same for wx twelve years ago as I did not like e.g. the event handling. Most of the time I'm still using my own wrappers. Still, once or twice a year I'm writing some small applications where I would use a GUI builder if it was available instead of copying old code as template. I can teach anyone how to create a program for data acquisition, but I don't see how more than a few could create a GUI without an easy-to-use tool. Like Tkinter? Don't like Tkinter, even though the alternatives are not too Pythonic either. Visual Basic sucks. I spend more time re-focusing my mental energy than actually getting work done. There is no replacement for pure raw code. You visualize GUI's in you mind, and fingers bring that vision to life through properly written API's. Never invent a new problem for a solution that does not exist. Sure, VB language sucks, but still I do not see any other tool that would cover the RAD aspect of the VB 6 environment. I would love to see Python for this, even though this would have negative side effects (e.g. attracting stupid people like PHP seems to). Regards, Dietmar -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
err: A cool new chatbot written and extensible in python
Hi all, We have released a cool extensible chatbot for your development teams chatrooms. At my current company we have a ton of fun with it so we have decided to spread the love and release it as an open source project. Of course it is written and extensible in Python. Feel free to give it a try. Any feedback is welcome ! Its homepage is http://gbin.github.com/err/ Some sample commands : http://github.com/gbin/err/wiki/Catalog If you want to see our easy it is to write your own extensions to integrate it with other tools of your company, have a look here : https://github.com/gbin/err/wiki/plugin-dev Feel free to contact us if you have cool plugins to submit ! Guillaume. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com writes: Well, I could at least passively read many languages (starting with Pascal, C, and unsuccessful attempt to learn Prolog, so even statically typed languages are not that mysterious to me), I wouldn't count Pascal or C as statically typed in any interesting way. C++ (template generics), ML, or Haskell would be more meaningful. Prolog is worth spending more time on, and it's on my own list. so learning new ones is not that problem. And yes, to be completely honest, functional languages are my weakest part (although I have used Emacs for some time, I still haven't learned writing in any Lisp properly). You might start with Abelson and Sussman's classic book: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On Jun 10, 2:36 pm, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
#
# Or become a pro and create reusable objects!
#
class LE(tk.Frame):
def __init__(self, master, **kw):
tk.Frame.__init__(self, master)
self.l = tk.Label(self, **kw)
self.l.pack(side=LEFT)
self.e = tk.Entry(self)
self.e.pack(side=LEFT, fill=X, expand=YES)
root = tk.Tk()
root.title('Pro')
for x in range(10):
le = LE(root, text=Field_+str(x))
le.pack(fill=X, expand=YES)
root.mainloop()
PS: The keywords argument should have been passed to the entry widget
and NOT the label. Yes, occasionally, even pros make subtle mistakes.
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Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
On 10/06/12 22:40, Paul Rubin wrote: You might start with Abelson and Sussman's classic book: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp I know that, and it lies on my badtable for some time already, but I just never got enough excited about the idea yet. Python is just much more fun. Matěj -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com writes: I know that, and it lies on my badtable for some time already, but I just never got enough excited about the idea yet. Python is just much more fun. Here is an exercise from the book that you might like to try in Python: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-24.html#%_idx_3894 It's not easy ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Passing ints to a function
On Jun 9, 3:29 am, Jussi Piitulainen jpiit...@ling.helsinki.fi wrote: Here's something you could have thought of for yourself even when you didn't remember that Python does have special built-in support for applying a function to a list of arguments: def five(func, args): a, b, c, d, e = args return func(a, b, c, d, e) The point is that the function itself can be passed as an argument to the auxiliary function that extracts the individual arguments from the list. Good point. However the function five is much too narrowly defined and the name is atrocious! I like concise, self-documenting identifiers. py L5 = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] py L4 = [1, 2, 3, 4] py def f4(a,b,c,d): print a,b,c,d py def f5(a,b,c,d,e): print a,b,c,d,e py def apply_five(func, args): a, b, c, d, e = args return func(a, b, c, d, e) py apply_five(f5, L5) 1 2 3 4 5 py apply_five(f5, L4) ValueError: need more than 4 values to unpack # # Try this instead: # py def apply_arglst(func, arglst): return func(*arglst) py apply_arglst(f4,L4) 1 2 3 4 py apply_arglst(f5,L5) 1 2 3 4 5 ...of course you could create a general purpose apply function; like the one Python does not possess any longer ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Dietmar Schwertberger maill...@schwertberger.de wrote: Chris Angelico wrote (in two posts): There was a time when that was a highly advertisable feature - build XYZ applications without writing a single line of code!. I've seen it in database front-end builders as well as GUI tools, same thing. But those sorts of tools tend not to be what experts want to use. You end up having to un-learn the easy way before you learn the hard way that lets you do everything. This time is not over. Especially when you look at data acquisition and control applications where tools like Labview are widely used. Personally, I would not want to use such tools as I find it quite complicated to implement any logic with a graphical editor. But when you want to sell an alternative to such tools, then you should not offer a tool which makes it almost impossible for a typical engineer to create a simple GUI. [chomp lots of other examples - go read 'em in the original post :) ] Either these people know how to write code, or they don't. If they do, then building a simple GUI shouldn't be beyond them; if they don't know that much code, then anything more than trivial _will_ be beyond them. Here's the window building code from something I just knocked together, with all comments stripped out: object mainwindow=GTK2.Window(GTK2.WindowToplevel); mainwindow-set_title(Timing)-set_default_size(400,300)-signal_connect(destroy,window_destroy); GTK2.HbuttonBox btns=GTK2.HbuttonBox()-set_layout(GTK2.BUTTONBOX_SPREAD); foreach (labels,string lbl) btns-add(buttons[lbl]=button(lbl,mode_change)); mainwindow-add(GTK2.Vbox(0,0) -add(GTK2.TextView(buffer=GTK2.TextBuffer())-set_size_request(0,0)) -pack_start(btns,0,0,0))-show_all(); If you're a complete non-programmer, then of course that's an opaque block of text. But to a programmer, it ought to be fairly readable - it says what it does. I'm confident that anyone who's built a GUI should be able to figure out what that's going to create, even if you've never used GTK before. (And yes, it's not Python. Sorry. I don't have a Python example handy.) Modern UI toolkits are generally not that difficult to use. Add just a few convenience functions (you'll see a call to a button function in the above code - it creates a GTK2.Button, sets it up, and returns it), and make a nice, well-commented configuration file that just happens to be executed as Python, and you've made it pretty possible for a non-programmer to knock together a GUI. They'll have learned to write code without, perhaps, even realizing it. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Strange Problem with pythonw.exe
Hello subscribers, I've recently encountered a strange problem with Python for Windows. I'm using Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit and Python 3.2.3 64 Bit (also tried 32 bit). The Problem is, that pythonw.exe does not work at all! Therefore no IDLE for me... But python.exe runs just fine. I ran Process Monitor, which showed some activity for pythonw.exe, but no window is coming up. It is not quite clear what you did here, but if you just run pythonw.exe, you should not see anything, as the 'w' stands for 'Windows', 'windowless', or 'with user interaction through a gui brought up by the python program being run'. It make it hard to debug if no gui is being brought up. The problem isn't restricted to my main python installation. I have also tried running portable python and active state python. No pythonw.exe of them is working. Reinstallation didn't change anything. Windows firewall was deactivated, no difference. No firewall-software or any possibilities of blocking pythonw.exe. I couldn't find the problem online. My problem was triggered by using PyQt. I've loaded an .ui, which did NOT show up. I have Ne ver seen IDLE since that crash. Advice anyone? I take it that IDLE *did* work before using PyQT. If this is correct (I must admit, I hope so), I would ask the author of PyQT whether it or QT does anything to the system that could persist across installs. The most likely change to me would be in the registry. So if it were my machine, I would fire up regedit, back up the registry, search it for 'pythonw', look at the results, and perhaps delete all pythonw entries. Then reinstall the core component. You might also try 3.3.0a4, which had additional bug fixes, or go back to something like 3.2.0. -- Terry Jan Reedy Thank you for your help. I found the problem at some other place. The registry tweaks didn't solve it. But I found the hint to look up my .idlerc folder. So the problem was entirely IDLE related (yes, it worked before). But it wasnt PyQt'S problem, but the mapping of some keyboard command I made. I used the 'ü' key (german keyboard), which kept me from using IDLE for 4 days now... Deleting the %username%/.idlerc folder got the job done finally! Arthur J -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [Q] How to specify options for 'setup.py install' by environment variable?
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: Thank you Ned, but I can't find environment variable name on that page which is equivarent to '--install-scripts' or other options. Sorry, I wasn't clear. Using the Distutils config files would be instead of setting environment variables. For example, you could do something like this: $ cat $HOME/.pydistutils.cfg EOF [install] prefix = local install-scripts = local/bin EOF That will apply globally whenever you run a Distutils script, unless it is overridden by a $PWD/setup.cfg file with an [install] section. Thank you Ned, I'm clear. You mean that there is no environment variable equivarent to options, therefore I should create configuration file of distutils. I'll try it. Thank you. -- regards, makoto kuwata -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Strange Problem with pythonw.exe
On 6/10/2012 7:39 PM, a...@vorsicht-bissig.de wrote: Thank you for your help. I found the problem at some other place. The registry tweaks didn't solve it. But I found the hint to look up my .idlerc folder. So the problem was entirely IDLE related (yes, it worked before). But it wasnt PyQt'S problem, but the mapping of some keyboard command I made. I used the 'ü' key (german keyboard), which kept me from using IDLE for 4 days now... Deleting the %username%/.idlerc folder got the job done finally! I believe there is a patch, either on the tracker or applied since 3.2.3, to catch .idlerc problems and report to the user rather than quit. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonic cross-platform GUI desingers à la Interface Builder (Re: what gui designer is everyone using)
On Jun 10, 4:52 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger n...@schwertberger.de wrote: Am 10.06.2012 08:16, schrieb rusi: This is worth a read in this context:http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides I've read the article. It presents some nice ideas, but probably the author has not used Python before. Otherwise he would have noticed that the overall productivity does not only depend on language and IDE/editor, but on the complete environment which in the case of Python includes the ability to use the interpreter interactively. For many tasks that's a major productivity boost. But that's a point that many people don't see because their current language like C# or Java does not have an interpreter and when they just look at the syntax, the find there's not enough improvement to switch. Full agreement here Also, I'm not sure whether the author counts the libraries as language or tool feature. In my opinion the environment and the libraries should be listed on their own in such an article. Libraries are developed after the language, but usually they are ahead of the other tools/IDEs. That was my main point and the reason for referring to that article. If I may rephrase your points in OSteele's terminology: If python is really a language maven's language then it does not do very well: - its not as object-oriented as Ruby (or other arcana like Eiffel) - its not as functional as Haskell - its not as integrable as Lua - its not as close-to-bare-metal as C - etc Then why is it up-there among our most popular languages? Because of the 'batteries included.' And not having a good gui-builder is a battery (cell?) that is lacking. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
On Jun 10, 6:40 pm, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/06/12 00:44, Yesterday Paid wrote: I'm planning to learn one more language with my python. Just my personal experience, but after passively learning many many languages, I came to the conclusion that I (and I suppose many others) am able to learn only one platform well. The point is that you are never interested in learning *a language*, everybody who has at least some touch with programming can learn most languages in one session in the afternoon. But nobody is interested in you knowing a language, you need to know the platform with all libraries, standards, style, and culture. And *that* demands you focus on one language completely. Hi Matěj! If this question is politically incorrect please forgive me. Do you speak only one (natural) language -- English? And if this set is plural is your power of expression identical in each language? Speaking for myself I can think of examples in Hindi, Marathi, Sanskrit and Tamil that when translated into English are so tame as to almost completely miss the point... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
在 2012年6月10日星期日UTC+8上午6时44分44秒，Yesterday Paid写道： I'm planning to learn one more language with my python. Someone recommended to do Lisp or Clojure, but I don't think it's a good idea(do you?) So, I consider C# with ironpython or Java with Jython. It's a hard choice...I like Visual studio(because my first lang is VB6 so I'm familiar with that) but maybe java would be more useful out of windows. what do you think? of course java is the best option in my opinion.There is no need to provide many evidences that java is better than c# because its advantages are really obvious.But java IDEs are not as convenient as visual studio. Anyway,it's on your choice.No matter what you option is,keeping going on it will make your skill more and more mature.Programming languages are just tools,programmer themselves are the key. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which one do you prefer? python with C# or java?
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Broad Liyn broadl...@gmail.com broadl...@gmail.com wrote: of course java is the best option in my opinion.There is no need to provide many evidences that java is better than c# because its advantages are really obvious. Not as obvious as you'd imagine... I can't think of many. -- Corey Richardson -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[issue14850] The inconsistency of codecs.charmap_decode
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment: U+FFFE is documented as representing an undefined mapping, see http://docs.python.org/dev/c-api/unicode.html?highlight=charmap#PyUnicode_DecodeCharmap So the base string case is correct; the derived string implementation also needs to invoke the error handler. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14850 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue15042] Implemented PyState_AddModule, PyState_RemoveModule
New submission from Robin Schreiber robin.schrei...@me.com: PEP 3121 suggests a new way of Module-initialization, where the module state is being wrapped inside a dedicate struct, which can be accessed at runtime via the PyState_FindModule method. For code outside the Init-method, there is no other way to receive the module-state, as it has no reference to the object created by PyModule_Create. PyState_FindModule requires, that the module-state has been attached to the interpreter-state beforehand. Inside an extension module code this is almost everywhere the case except inside the Init-method, because currently _PyState_AddModule is only called by the importer AFTER the extension module has been initialized successfully. As most of the macro definitions inside an extension module, which rely on data stored in the module state, have to receive the state via FindModule, they fail to work inside the modules Init-method. This patch suggests an extension of PyState comprising two publicly available methods (PyState_AddModule, PyState_RemoveModule) that can be called from inside the Init-method, so that the module-state is attached to the interpreter state before further initialization of the module continues. As a result, PyState_FindModule will also work in this region of the extension module and the bespoken expanded macros will also work flawlessly when executed inside the Init code. This patch is especially important for the future application of PEP 3121 together with PEP 384, as the newly created heap-types now reside inside the module-state. As type-objects are frequently used in macro-definitions which are also expanded within the Init-method of a module (or inside a function called from Init), the module state has to be received via FindModule. (The alternative would be nasty redefinitions of the specific macros, shortly before Init) -- components: Interpreter Core files: PyState_add-remove_module.patch keywords: patch messages: 162581 nosy: Robin.Schreiber priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Implemented PyState_AddModule, PyState_RemoveModule type: enhancement versions: Python 3.3 Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file25871/PyState_add-remove_module.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue15042 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14850] The inconsistency of codecs.charmap_decode
Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com added the comment: What is the use case for passing a string subclass to charmap_decode? Or in other words, how did you stumble upon the bug? I stumbled upon it, rewriting the charmap decoder (issue14874). Now charmap decoder processes the two cases -- a more effective case of string table and a general slower case of general mapping. I proposed a more optimized case of 256-character UCS2 string (covers all standard charmap encodings). If processing general strings and maps was consistent, these cases can be merged. A string subclass is just an example that illustrates the inconsistency. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14850 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14850] The inconsistency of codecs.charmap_decode
Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com added the comment: U+FFFE is documented as representing an undefined mapping, Yes, using U+FFFE for representing an undefined mapping in strings is normal, the question was about string subclasses. And if we will correct it for string subclasses, how far we go any further? How about general mapping? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14850 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14850] The inconsistency of codecs.charmap_decode
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment: U+FFFE is documented as representing an undefined mapping, Yes, using U+FFFE for representing an undefined mapping in strings is normal, the question was about string subclasses. What is the question? U+FFFE also represents an undefined mapping in string subclasses. And if we will correct it for string subclasses, how far we go any further? This is a single issue, a single bug. If the bug is fixed, it is fixed. No need to go further (unless there is another bug somewhere). -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14850 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1009] Implementation of PEP 3101, Advanced String Formatting
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