Re: import problem

2013-09-16 Thread Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh
On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 02:56 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
 On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:53:26 +0430, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
 
  Dear all,
  
  i have the following two line codes:
  
  import  ui.interface.interface
  obj = ui.interface.interface.InterfaceCodes()
  ###333
  I have same code in another package and work fine. but i get the :
  
  #3 
 
 This traceback following suggests that your package is a complete tangled 
 mess of wild card imports. Perhaps I am misreading something, but the 
 following suggests that your package is highly coupled, with strong 
 dependencies between different modules. This is a poor design and will 
 give you many, many problems. As you are already having.
 
 Do you understand what I mean when I talk about modules being highly 
 coupled?
 
 Are you a Java or C++ developer learning Python? Your code suggests to me 
 that you might be. If you are, you should read these to get some ideas of 
 how your Java intuitions will lead you astray in Python:
 
 http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html
 http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/java-is-not-python-either.html
 
 
 I assume that everything under the amlak directory is your code. Is 
 that correct?
 
 Here's the traceback again:
 
  Traceback (most
  recent call last):
File ./main.py, line 31, in module
  from materials.materials import *
File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/materials/materials.py, line
  40, in module
  from  ui.interface.interface import *
File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/ui/interface/interface.py,
  line 32, in module
  from ui.materialsFrame import *
File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/ui/materialsFrame.py, line
  24, in module
  from ui.materialsFindFrame import *
File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/ui/materialsFindFrame.py,
  line 14, in module
  from common.objects.objects import *
File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/common/objects/objects.py,
  line 28, in module
  obj = ui.interface.interface.InterfaceCodes()
  AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'interface'
  ### 
 
 
 So your main module does a wild-card import from materials.materials, 
 which does a wild-card import from ui.interface.interface, which does a 
 wild-card import from ui.materialsFrame, which does a wild-card import 
 from ui.materialsFindFrame, which does a wild-card import from 
 common.objects.objects, which requires ui.interface.interface to have 
 already been loaded and imported. But it hasn't been, because it is still 
 being imported.
 
 The *immediate* problem is that, in effect, before you can import 
 ui.interface.interface, you need to import ui.interface.interface. 
 Obviously this is going to cause you problems. Google on recursive 
 imports to learn about the sorts of problems and how to avoid them.
 
 The second problem is that, in general, you should try to avoid wild-card 
 imports. They're not always bad, but they were really invented for use in 
 the interactive interpreter so you can do things like this:
 
 from math import *
 sqrt(42)
 sin(1.5)
 
 
 Using them inside non-interactive code is not forbidden exactly, but it 
 is frowned upon since it makes understanding your code harder.
 
 The third problem is that your code layout looks like you are fighting 
 Python, trying to force it to be something it is not. For starters, if 
 you're writing packages that look like this:
 
 ui.interface.interface
 
 that's simply poor design for Python. My guess is that you might be 
 following the Java convention of putting exactly one class per source 
 file. That is not the way Python code should be written. Modules should 
 contain all the related classes and functions, at least up to the point 
 that the module becomes so large that it is painful to work with. How 
 large is that? In my opinion, this is getting close to the maximum I 
 personally would be comfortable with:
 
 http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/3.3/Lib/decimal.py
 
 
 although some people might be happy with large files.
 
 But what is important is that related code should be together in the one 
 file, not split across multiple modules and multiple packages.
 
 If you are trying to future proof your code, and thinking today it is 
 small, but one day it will be big and will need to be a package with 
 dozens of modules, that doesn't matter. Don't write the code you think 
 you will need in five years. Write the code you need now. Google YAGNI 
 for more.
 
 I am sorry that I cannot just give you a simple one-line fix for your 
 error. As far as I can see, the fix is to re-design the package so that 
 it is flatter, with fewer imports, and avoid the recursive import.
 
 Good luck!
 
 
 
 -- 
 Steven
Dear Steven,

I moved all of files to root of source directory, And create an put my
constructor to objects.py 

Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 4:52 πμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε:

Hi Nikos,

I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
into your question.

Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do

improt os

first or it wont work.,


When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
caring about the answers I give you.



On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:54:48 -0700, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


try:
# prepare mail data
FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com' TO =
nikos.gr...@gmail.com

SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )

   os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM,
   SUBJECT, TO) )

print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s
επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) )
except Exception as e:
print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )

sys.exit(0)






Steven of course i have imported the 'os' module.
I try to send mail from different FROM filed just like as a visitor 
guest will use the webform to compete his own email.


but since you ask here is the whole code with the function displayed too.

#=
# if html form is submitted then send user mail
#=
def random_char( y, chars=string.ascii_uppercase + string.digits ):
return ''.join( random.choice(chars) for x in range(y) )


for times in range(0, 1):
try:
# prepare mail data
FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com'
TO = nikos.gr...@gmail.com

SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )

		os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM, 
SUBJECT, TO) )


		print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s 
επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) )

except Exception as e:
print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )

sys.exit(0)
==


Is there a way to avoid the hostname and the ip address from being 
revealed when i'am sending an email?


Because the mails finally got delivered to my gmail account after many 
hours of delay, and in the headers they are detailes like hostname and 
ip address of my server which i dont want to be revealed.


i can alter FROM, TO, subject, message can i also alter the hostname fo 
the server the the mail derived from?


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Re: import problem

2013-09-16 Thread Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh
On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 11:14 +0430, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
 On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 02:56 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
  On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:53:26 +0430, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
  
   Dear all,
   
   i have the following two line codes:
   
 import  ui.interface.interface
 obj = ui.interface.interface.InterfaceCodes()
   ###333
   I have same code in another package and work fine. but i get the :
   
   #3 
  
  This traceback following suggests that your package is a complete tangled 
  mess of wild card imports. Perhaps I am misreading something, but the 
  following suggests that your package is highly coupled, with strong 
  dependencies between different modules. This is a poor design and will 
  give you many, many problems. As you are already having.
  
  Do you understand what I mean when I talk about modules being highly 
  coupled?
  
  Are you a Java or C++ developer learning Python? Your code suggests to me 
  that you might be. If you are, you should read these to get some ideas of 
  how your Java intuitions will lead you astray in Python:
  
  http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html
  http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/java-is-not-python-either.html
  
  
  I assume that everything under the amlak directory is your code. Is 
  that correct?
  
  Here's the traceback again:
  
   Traceback (most
   recent call last):
 File ./main.py, line 31, in module
   from materials.materials import *
 File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/materials/materials.py, line
   40, in module
   from  ui.interface.interface import *
 File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/ui/interface/interface.py,
   line 32, in module
   from ui.materialsFrame import *
 File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/ui/materialsFrame.py, line
   24, in module
   from ui.materialsFindFrame import *
 File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/ui/materialsFindFrame.py,
   line 14, in module
   from common.objects.objects import *
 File /home/mohsen/codes/amlak/amlak/src/common/objects/objects.py,
   line 28, in module
   obj = ui.interface.interface.InterfaceCodes()
   AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'interface'
   ### 
  
  
  So your main module does a wild-card import from materials.materials, 
  which does a wild-card import from ui.interface.interface, which does a 
  wild-card import from ui.materialsFrame, which does a wild-card import 
  from ui.materialsFindFrame, which does a wild-card import from 
  common.objects.objects, which requires ui.interface.interface to have 
  already been loaded and imported. But it hasn't been, because it is still 
  being imported.
  
  The *immediate* problem is that, in effect, before you can import 
  ui.interface.interface, you need to import ui.interface.interface. 
  Obviously this is going to cause you problems. Google on recursive 
  imports to learn about the sorts of problems and how to avoid them.
  
  The second problem is that, in general, you should try to avoid wild-card 
  imports. They're not always bad, but they were really invented for use in 
  the interactive interpreter so you can do things like this:
  
  from math import *
  sqrt(42)
  sin(1.5)
  
  
  Using them inside non-interactive code is not forbidden exactly, but it 
  is frowned upon since it makes understanding your code harder.
  
  The third problem is that your code layout looks like you are fighting 
  Python, trying to force it to be something it is not. For starters, if 
  you're writing packages that look like this:
  
  ui.interface.interface
  
  that's simply poor design for Python. My guess is that you might be 
  following the Java convention of putting exactly one class per source 
  file. That is not the way Python code should be written. Modules should 
  contain all the related classes and functions, at least up to the point 
  that the module becomes so large that it is painful to work with. How 
  large is that? In my opinion, this is getting close to the maximum I 
  personally would be comfortable with:
  
  http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/3.3/Lib/decimal.py
  
  
  although some people might be happy with large files.
  
  But what is important is that related code should be together in the one 
  file, not split across multiple modules and multiple packages.
  
  If you are trying to future proof your code, and thinking today it is 
  small, but one day it will be big and will need to be a package with 
  dozens of modules, that doesn't matter. Don't write the code you think 
  you will need in five years. Write the code you need now. Google YAGNI 
  for more.
  
  I am sorry that I cannot just give you a simple one-line fix for your 
  error. As far as I can see, the fix is to re-design the package so that 
  it is flatter, with fewer imports, and 

Help regarding python facepy library

2013-09-16 Thread malhar vora
Hello all,

I am using python facepy library to fetch data from facebook. It was 
running fine. The problem now is I just changed my system and now getting error 
that says certificate verify failed. Here my code and exception log both are 
given below.

The library that I have used is https://pypi.python.org/pypi/facepy

Code is given below.
#
import facepy
from facepy import GraphAPI,exceptions
import json

graph = GraphAPI('my fb access token')

fb_dump = open('D:\\Malhar Data\\Projects\\Social Media Web 
Project\\TestGround\\temp\\Output\\output.txt', 'w')

try:
pages = graph.get('AhmedabadUniversity/posts', page=True)
all_pages = []
for page in pages:
all_pages = all_pages + page[data]
except exceptions.OAuthError, error:
if error.code == 2:
print Unexpected error occured
elif error.code == 803:
print Alias or Page does not exist

for d in all_pages:

fb_dump.write(Message :  + d.get('message','None').encode(UTF-8, 
ignore))

fb_dump.close()
##

Exception log is given below.

D:\Malhar Data\Projects\Social Media Web Project\TestGround\temppython fbgrabbe
r.py
C:\Python26\lib\site-packages\facepy\graph_api.py:199: DeprecationWarning: BaseE
xception.message has been deprecated as of Python 2.6
  raise HTTPError(exception.message)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File fbgrabber.py, line 14, in module
for page in pages:
  File C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\facepy\graph_api.py, line 212, in paginat
e
result, url = load(method, url, data)
  File C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\facepy\graph_api.py, line 199, in load
raise HTTPError(exception.message)
facepy.exceptions.HTTPError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:480: error:14090086:SSL routines:S
SL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed


I tried generating new token and run the script but got same error.
I didn't find any solution of this problem.
If anybody is able to figure out the problem, please help me.


Thank you,

Malhar Vora 

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
 Hi Nikos,
 
 I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put 
 into your question.
 
 Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do 
 
 improt os
 
 first or it wont work.,
 
 
 When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start 
 caring about the answers I give you.

And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
too can contribute in a careless manner?

-- 
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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
 Hi Nikos,

 I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
 into your question.

 Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do

 improt os

 first or it wont work.,


 When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
 caring about the answers I give you.

 And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
 list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
 asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
 too can contribute in a careless manner?

bceause its funnyer that way?

Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort
into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately,
nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people
will read this than just the OP, which is why I still respond to jmf
about Unicode even though I know he isn't listening. It's worth it for
the hundreds (thousands? millions? Maybe even more?) of other people
who'll read and learn.

ChrisA
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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 instead of showing us all that you
 too can contribute in a careless manner?

Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 10:29 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:

Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:

Hi Nikos,

I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
into your question.

Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do

improt os

first or it wont work.,


When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
caring about the answers I give you.


And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
too can contribute in a careless manner?


My question is not careless.
I have stated exactly the problem and shown relevant code of what i'm 
trying to accomplish.


1 have almost 10 responses and not even one of them is being a proper 
answer to my initial question.


My question is clear.
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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-09-13 09:44, Chris Angelico schreef:
 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
 antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
 Hi Nikos,

 I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
 into your question.

 Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do

 improt os

 first or it wont work.,


 When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
 caring about the answers I give you.

 And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
 list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
 asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
 too can contribute in a careless manner?
 
 bceause its funnyer that way?

Funny for who? Personnaly I was rather amused by some of the reactions
that Nikos received and that were ill received by some people here.
So why should your of steve's fun trump my amusment?

 Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort
 into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately,
 nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people
 will read this than just the OP,

I didn't complain about his respons being public.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort
 into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately,
 nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people
 will read this than just the OP,

 I didn't complain about his respons being public.

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing

Sometimes, things are better said than not-said. In fact, that's
*often* true. Maybe it's unpleasant for the person the jab is aimed
at; maybe it feels awkward for you, as an onlooker. But for the good
of python-list, Nikos has to be told that putting minimal effort into
his questions is a bad thing, and if you're going to say that, may as
well say it in a funny way.

Plus, Steven was making a solid point, too. So if you want Nikos to be
ignored by anyone who can't be completely friendly, what you'll end
up with is materially less content on the list.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef:
 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
 antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 instead of showing us all that you
 too can contribute in a careless manner?
 
 Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
 careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.

So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like
it was carelessly written.

Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of
means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that.
If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes
a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him?

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef:
 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
 antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 instead of showing us all that you
 too can contribute in a careless manner?

 Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
 careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.

 So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like
 it was carelessly written.

It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
different from actual carelessness.

 Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of
 means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that.
 If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes
 a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him?

In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the
latter IMO. You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what
Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means.
I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon
 antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef:
 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
 antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 instead of showing us all that you
 too can contribute in a careless manner?

 Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
 careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.

 So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like
 it was carelessly written.
 
 It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
 think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
 different from actual carelessness.

The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.

 Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of
 means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that.
 If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes
 a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him?
 
 In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
 also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the
 latter IMO.

And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?

 You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
 believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what
 Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means.

Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
a point as if that in itself was sufficient.

 I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
 either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.

No it doesn't.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
 It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
 think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
 different from actual carelessness.

 The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
 result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.

Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as
difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual
one? And is it as much of a problem to the list?

 In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
 also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the
 latter IMO.

 And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?

We shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well.
You may well disagree.

 You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
 believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what
 Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means.

 Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
 a point as if that in itself was sufficient.

Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was
used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled
out?

 I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
 either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.

 No it doesn't.

No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none
of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive
action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do
so.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-09-13 10:48, Chris Angelico schreef:
 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
 antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
 Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
 It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
 think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
 different from actual carelessness.

 The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
 result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.
 
 Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as
 difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual
 one? And is it as much of a problem to the list?

Do you think improt is easier to read when written so deliberatly
instead of out of carelessness?

 In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
 also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the
 latter IMO.

 And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?
 
 We shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well.
 You may well disagree.

Why do you keep introducing your personal appreciations while at the
same time you admit they don't carry much weight.

 You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
 believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what
 Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means.

 Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
 a point as if that in itself was sufficient.
 
 Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was
 used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled
 out?

Your context adds nothing. The only thing that the context would add,
is that in this specific case you think that the end justifies the means
but it doesn't explain in any way on what grounds you think so. Those
that took Nikos to task earlier for his behaviour probably though their
end justified the means too.

So yes, if you don't want to give the impression that you are simply
ad hoccing what you personnally don't have a problem with, you'd
better spell a few things out.

 I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
 either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.

 No it doesn't.
 
 No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none
 of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive
 action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do
 so.

You behaved in a way some people clearly thought of a questionable. So
for those people you have established you are prepared to exhibit
questionable behaviour to make your point. So I think there are a
number of people who will think of you as not trustable enough to
withhold the behaviour in question here, when you think it would be
necessary to make your point.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 12:40 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:

Op 16-09-13 10:48, Chris Angelico schreef:

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:

Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:

It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
different from actual carelessness.


The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.


Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as
difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual
one? And is it as much of a problem to the list?


Do you think improt is easier to read when written so deliberatly
instead of out of carelessness?


In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the
latter IMO.


And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?


We shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well.
You may well disagree.


Why do you keep introducing your personal appreciations while at the
same time you admit they don't carry much weight.


You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what
Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means.


Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
a point as if that in itself was sufficient.


Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was
used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled
out?


Your context adds nothing. The only thing that the context would add,
is that in this specific case you think that the end justifies the means
but it doesn't explain in any way on what grounds you think so. Those
that took Nikos to task earlier for his behaviour probably though their
end justified the means too.

So yes, if you don't want to give the impression that you are simply
ad hoccing what you personnally don't have a problem with, you'd
better spell a few things out.


I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.


No it doesn't.


No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none
of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive
action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do
so.


You behaved in a way some people clearly thought of a questionable. So
for those people you have established you are prepared to exhibit
questionable behaviour to make your point. So I think there are a
number of people who will think of you as not trustable enough to
withhold the behaviour in question here, when you think it would be
necessary to make your point.


Look,

i want this to stop.
Open your own thread and discuss this if you like.
This is a thread i opened for a specific question and all i see its 
irrelevant answers.



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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Joost Molenaar
 Look,

 i want this to stop.
 Open your own thread and discuss this if you like.
 This is a thread i opened for a specific question and all i see its
 irrelevant answers.

Hi Ferrous,

The problem is not in your Python code. You can debug it from the
command line by typing the 'echo ... | mailx' command your Python code
is executing.

Somewhere on your local SMTP or on Google's SMTP, your message is not
being processed the way you want it. There are many things that could
cause this -- SPF, DKIM, reverse DNS not being correct, the From
address being 'faked', or one of about a hunderd other factors. It's
most likely an issue in your local SMTP server's configuration. You'll
have to dive into the logs and do some research on how SMTP works
nowadays to find out what's happening.

But think about this: if I could send mail as nikos.gr...@gmail.com,
just by typing a shell command, how could we ever trust e-mail to be
from who it really is? What if I send mail as
barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov? What you're doing may look like spam from
Google's point of view, and that's why I think you're not receiving
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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Denis McMahon
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:06:06 +0200, Joost Molenaar wrote:

 It's most likely an issue in your local SMTP server's configuration.

I'm not convinced about that. All the evidence is that OPs local mta 
delivers the message to google. I think the issue is that google are 
deciding the message is junk and dropping it in the bit recycling bin.

This is just as likely to be a feature of the random_char(50) subject and 
random_char(500) message text as it is any local mta settings. I have no 
idea what OPs random_char(x) does, but I also see no proof it doesn't 
insert data that's illegal in subject or body. Even if it creates a 
wholly valid message subject and body, it might look like something spammy 
to google.

starttls suggests that whatever his mta is, it's using some form of auth 
to communicate with gmail. It looks like his mail is delivered to the 
google servers.

If he's trying to prove communication works, he might be better off using 
a message subject of test and a message body of this is a test 
message.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 2:21 μμ, ο/η Denis McMahon έγραψε:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:06:06 +0200, Joost Molenaar wrote:


It's most likely an issue in your local SMTP server's configuration.


I'm not convinced about that. All the evidence is that OPs local mta
delivers the message to google. I think the issue is that google are
deciding the message is junk and dropping it in the bit recycling bin.

This is just as likely to be a feature of the random_char(50) subject and
random_char(500) message text as it is any local mta settings. I have no
idea what OPs random_char(x) does, but I also see no proof it doesn't
insert data that's illegal in subject or body. Even if it creates a
wholly valid message subject and body, it might look like something spammy
to google.

starttls suggests that whatever his mta is, it's using some form of auth
to communicate with gmail. It looks like his mail is delivered to the
google servers.

If he's trying to prove communication works, he might be better off using
a message subject of test and a message body of this is a test
message.


Hello Denis and thanks for dropping into the conversation.

here is the code again with the random function definition:

# 
=

# if html form is submitted then send user mail
# 
=

def random_char( y, chars=string.ascii_uppercase + string.digits ):
return ''.join( random.choice(chars) for x in range(y) )


for times in range(0, 10):
try:
# prepare mail data
FROM = random_char(8) + '@' + random_char(5) + '.com'
TO = nkou...@ath.forthnet.gr

SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )

		os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM, 
SUBJECT, TO) )


		print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s 
επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) )

except Exception as e:
print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )

sys.exit(0)
=


i have sent 10 mails to my personal Google account and i though they 
were never get delivered but it seems that every half an hour or so, 
one-by-one come into appearance into my GMail account which i access via 
Thunderbird!


I don't know whats delaying them so long but they do come.

What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the 
mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now 
sen in the mail headers.


I will show you an example when one more mail arrive into my gmail account.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Heiko Wundram
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Am 16.09.2013 13:21, schrieb Denis McMahon:
 If he's trying to prove communication works, he might be better off
 using a message subject of test and a message body of this is a
 test message.

Generally, he might be best off if he didn't use os.system() with
string-interpolated (without escaping or any such) and user-specified
(!) parameters to send out the mail using mailx though a sub-shell.

This begs of using his mailer script for code injection as his
web-server user, and I'm amazed that nobody has commented on that so far.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Heiko Wundram
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Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:
 What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
 the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
 aare now sen in the mail headers.

There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
about is inserted by Google mail servers.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε:

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Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:

What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
aare now sen in the mail headers.


There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
about is inserted by Google mail servers.


true.
Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for 
sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the 
very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a 
RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the 
contact. Correct?


But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a 
different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus 
protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that 
initiated the connection?


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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Heiko Wundram
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Am 16.09.2013 14:11, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:
 But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to
 a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the
 server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the
 server that initiated the connection?

Why on earth would you want to do that? Mail routing headers are there
for a reason.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef:
 Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε:
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 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:
 What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
 the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
 aare now sen in the mail headers.

 There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
 about is inserted by Google mail servers.
 
 true.
 Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for
 sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the
 very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a
 RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the
 contact. Correct?
 
 But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a
 different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus
 protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that
 initiated the connection?

No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies
with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and
will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse
DNS to report the real hostname of your computer.

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Is %z broken for return values of time.gmtime()?

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Schwarz
I’m wondering whether this is expected:

Python 3.3.2 (default, May 21 2013, 11:50:47) 
[GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple Clang 4.1 ((tags/Apple/clang-421.11.66))] on darwin
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
 import time
 time.strftime(%F %T %z, time.gmtime(40 * 365 * 86400))
'2009-12-22 00:00:00 +0100‘

According to the documentation of time.gmtime(), it returns a struct_time in 
UTC, but %z is replaced by +0100, which is the UTC offset of my OS’s time zone 
without DST, but DST is currently in effect here (but was not at the timestamp 
passed to gmtime()).

40 * 365 * 86400 seconds is a bit less than 40 Years. I’m using a date near to 
today to rule out any peculiarities with dates that are long in the past. Using 
a date at which DST was active yields the same result:

 time.strftime(%F %T %z, time.gmtime(40.5 * 365 * 86400))
'2010-06-22 12:00:00 +0100'

Why is my OS’s time zone used for formatting a struct_time with the UTC time 
zone? I’m running OS X 10.8.4, my OS’s time zone is set to CET/CEST.

Regards
Michael

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How is this list comprehension evaluated?

2013-09-16 Thread Arturo B
Hello, I'm making Python mini-projects and now I'm making a Latin Square

(Latin Square: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_square)

So, I started watching example code and I found this question on Stackoverflow: 

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5313900/generating-cyclic-permutations-reduced-latin-squares-in-python

It uses a list comprenhension to generate the Latin Square, I'm am a newbie to 
Python, and  I've tried to figure out how this is evaluated:

a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
n = len(a)
[[a[i - j] for i in range(n)] for j in range(n)]

I don't understand how the i and the j changes.
On my way of thought it is evaluated like this:

[[a[0 - 0] for 0 in range(4)] for 0 in range(4)]
[[a[1 - 1] for 1 in range(4)] for 1 in range(4)]
[[a[2 - 2] for 2 in range(4)] for 2 in range(4)]
[[a[3 - 3] for 3 in range(4)] for 3 in range(4)]

But I think I'm wrong... So, could you explain me as above? It would help me a 
lot.

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Re: How is this list comprehension evaluated?

2013-09-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16-09-13 15:43, Arturo B schreef:
 Hello, I'm making Python mini-projects and now I'm making a Latin Square
 
 (Latin Square: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_square)
 
 So, I started watching example code and I found this question on 
 Stackoverflow: 
 
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5313900/generating-cyclic-permutations-reduced-latin-squares-in-python
 
 It uses a list comprenhension to generate the Latin Square, I'm am a newbie 
 to Python, and  I've tried to figure out how this is evaluated:
 
 a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
 n = len(a)
 [[a[i - j] for i in range(n)] for j in range(n)]
 
 I don't understand how the i and the j changes.
 On my way of thought it is evaluated like this:
 
 [[a[0 - 0] for 0 in range(4)] for 0 in range(4)]
 [[a[1 - 1] for 1 in range(4)] for 1 in range(4)]
 [[a[2 - 2] for 2 in range(4)] for 2 in range(4)]
 [[a[3 - 3] for 3 in range(4)] for 3 in range(4)]
 
 But I think I'm wrong... So, could you explain me as above? It would help me 
 a lot.
 
 Thanks for reading!

Just start your python interpreter and type the following

 [[(i,j) for i in range(3)] for j in range(3)]

That should give you a clue.

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Re: import problem

2013-09-16 Thread Dave Angel
On 16/9/2013 00:05, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:

 thank you, you gave me how to get fish instead of fish, it's very
 better.

I'd suggest you make a diagram showing each file and indicate what files
it imports by an arrow.  If any arrows form a circle, you (may) have
recursive imports.

You should try to organize your code so you don't have any loops in the
above diagram.  In reasonable designs, you can do that by factoring out
some of the code into new bubbles.  But if you have too many bubbles
already, that just makes it harder to keep track of.

The recursion can sometimes be debugged more easily by eliminating the
from xxx import * forms., which really hides what things you get.
You'll only get those symbols already defined in the particular loop,
(which is generaly the ones defined before its import statment) and you
won't find out about the missing one till you try to use it later.

It can sometimes be mitigated by using from xxx import y1, y2  where you
explicitly define those things before the import statement.

However, both of these require you to have the imports somewhere NOT at
the top of the file.  And that can cause other problems.

Best is to avoid any loops in the diagram.

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Re: How is this list comprehension evaluated?

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Torrie
On 09/16/2013 07:43 AM, Arturo B wrote:
 It uses a list comprenhension to generate the Latin Square, I'm am a newbie 
 to Python, and  I've tried to figure out how this is evaluated:
 
 a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
 n = len(a)
 [[a[i - j] for i in range(n)] for j in range(n)]
 
 I don't understand how the i and the j changes.
 On my way of thought it is evaluated like this:

It helps to convert it to a conventional for loop to see how it works:

a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
n = len(a)

resultj = []

for j in range(n):
resulti = []

for i in range(n):
resulti.append(a[i-j])

resultj.append(resulti)

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:

Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef:

Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε:

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Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:

What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
aare now sen in the mail headers.


There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
about is inserted by Google mail servers.


true.
Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for
sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the
very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a
RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the
contact. Correct?

But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a
different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus
protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that
initiated the connection?


No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies
with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and
will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse
DNS to report the real hostname of your computer.


We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both 
the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values 
so that google will use them too.


It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both 
values will be not true.


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Re: Confessions of a terrible programmer

2013-09-16 Thread rusi
On Friday, September 6, 2013 10:26:07 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
 Not specifically about Python, but still relevant:
 
 http://blog.kickin-the-darkness.com/2007/09/confessions-of-terrible-programmer.html

Nice post -- thanks!

Prompted this from me
http://blog.languager.org/2013/09/poorest-computer-users-are-programmers.html
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statsmodels.api

2013-09-16 Thread Davide Dalmasso
Hi,

I intalled an executable version of statsmodels library for Windows 32-bit.
When I import it in my Python Shell no problem occurs buy when I write:

import statsmodels.api as sm

the following error arises:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File pyshell#1, line 1, in module
import statsmodels.api
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\api.py, line 1, in module
from . import iolib, datasets, tools
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\iolib\__init__.py, line 1, 
in module
from .foreign import StataReader, genfromdta, savetxt
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\iolib\foreign.py, line 20, 
in module
import statsmodels.tools.data as data_util
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\tools\__init__.py, line 1, 
in module
from .tools import add_constant, categorical
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\tools\tools.py, line 8, in 
module
from scipy.interpolate import interp1d
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\interpolate\__init__.py, line 150, 
in module
from .interpolate import *
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\interpolate\interpolate.py, line 
12, in module
import scipy.special as spec
  File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\special\__init__.py, line 529, in 
module
from ._ufuncs import *

Why?

Thanks for any help you will want to give me!

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:

Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef:

Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:

What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
aare now sen in the mail headers.


There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
about is inserted by Google mail servers.


true.
Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for
sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the
very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a
RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the
contact. Correct?

But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a
different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus
protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that
initiated the connection?


No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies
with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and
will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse
DNS to report the real hostname of your computer.

Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to 
be used when sending mail:


X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it 
with any abuse report

X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only 
user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed


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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 7:15 μμ, ο/η Ferrous Cranus έγραψε:

Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:

Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef:

Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:

What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
aare now sen in the mail headers.


There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
about is inserted by Google mail servers.


true.
Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for
sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the
very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a
RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the
contact. Correct?

But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a
different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus
protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that
initiated the connection?


No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies
with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and
will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse
DNS to report the real hostname of your computer.


Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to
be used when sending mail:

X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it
with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only
user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed

Can these be remoevd when i send mail?


and this too:

Received: from nikos by my.superhost.gr with local (Exim 4.80.1)
(envelope-from i6zkg...@mail.org)
id 1VLam4-0004nG-TJ

I wish this not to be displayed.
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Weird ttk behaviour

2013-09-16 Thread Rotwang

Hi all,

I've just started trying to learn how to use ttk, and I've discovered 
something that I don't understand. I'm using Python 3.3.0 in Linux Mint 
15. Suppose I create the following module:


# begin tkderp.py

import tkinter as tk
import tkinter.messagebox as _
from tkinter import ttk
from imp import reload


_root = tk.Tk()
_root.withdraw()

def f():
style = ttk.Style(_root)
style.theme_create('newtheme', parent = 'default')
tk.messagebox.showwarning('test', 'test')
style.theme_use('newtheme')
tk.messagebox.showwarning('test', 'test')

# end tkderp.py


The function f() is supposed to spawn two warning dialogs. AIUI, the 
style.theme.use('newtheme') line shouldn't make any difference - it 
would refresh any existing ttk widgets and alter the appearance of any 
subsequently created ones if I had changed any of the new theme's 
settings, but in the above context nothing it does should be discernible 
to the user. If I try to call f() the first warning gets shown, but the 
second one causes an exception:


Python 3.3.1 (default, Apr 17 2013, 22:30:32)
[GCC 4.7.3] on linux
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
 import tkderp
 tkderp.f()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File stdin, line 1, in module
  File /home/phil/Python/tkderp.py, line 17, in f
tk.messagebox.showwarning('test', 'test')
  File /usr/lib/python3.3/tkinter/messagebox.py, line 87, in showwarning
return _show(title, message, WARNING, OK, **options)
  File /usr/lib/python3.3/tkinter/messagebox.py, line 72, in _show
res = Message(**options).show()
  File /usr/lib/python3.3/tkinter/commondialog.py, line 48, in show
s = w.tk.call(self.command, *w._options(self.options))
_tkinter.TclError: unknown color name 


If I try reloading the module and calling the function again, this time 
the first of the two warnings raises the exception. Since I don't really 
understand how the ttk.Style class works, I can't say whether this 
behaviour is expected or not. But here's what's weird. Suppose that I 
comment out the last two lines in the definition of f(), like so:


# begin modified tkderp.py

import tkinter as tk
import tkinter.messagebox as _
from tkinter import ttk
from imp import reload


_root = tk.Tk()
_root.withdraw()

def f():
style = ttk.Style(_root)
style.theme_create('newtheme', parent = 'default')
tk.messagebox.showwarning('test', 'test')
#style.theme_use('newtheme')
#tk.messagebox.showwarning('test', 'test')

# end modified tkderp.py


Unsurprisingly, importing the module and calling f() displays a single 
warning dialog and raises no exception. If I then uncomment those two 
lines, reload the module and call f() again (by entering 
tkderp.reload(tkderp).f()), the function works like it was supposed to 
in the first place: two warnings, no exceptions. I can reload the module 
as many times as I like and f() will continue to work without any problems.


On Windows 7 (sys.version is '3.3.0 (v3.3.0:bd8afb90ebf2, Sep 29 2012, 
10:57:17) [MSC v.1600 64 bit (AMD64)]') there's no problem; f() works 
fine in the first place. Does anybody know what's going on?

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Re: statsmodels.api

2013-09-16 Thread Ethan Furman

On 09/16/2013 08:37 AM, Davide Dalmasso wrote:

Hi,

I intalled an executable version of statsmodels library for Windows 32-bit.
When I import it in my Python Shell no problem occurs buy when I write:

import statsmodels.api as sm

the following error arises:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File pyshell#1, line 1, in module
 import statsmodels.api
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\api.py, line 1, in module
 from . import iolib, datasets, tools
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\iolib\__init__.py, line 1, in 
module
 from .foreign import StataReader, genfromdta, savetxt
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\iolib\foreign.py, line 20, in 
module
 import statsmodels.tools.data as data_util
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\tools\__init__.py, line 1, in 
module
 from .tools import add_constant, categorical
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\tools\tools.py, line 8, in 
module
 from scipy.interpolate import interp1d
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\interpolate\__init__.py, line 150, in 
module
 from .interpolate import *
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\interpolate\interpolate.py, line 12, in 
module
 import scipy.special as spec
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\special\__init__.py, line 529, in 
module
 from ._ufuncs import *


We'll need the rest of the traceback, as it will have the actual error.

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Re: statsmodels.api

2013-09-16 Thread John Gordon
In eac9f1af-74e0-4eb0-8719-766894b52...@googlegroups.com Davide Dalmasso 
davide.dalma...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,

 I intalled an executable version of statsmodels library for Windows 32-bit.
 When I import it in my Python Shell no problem occurs buy when I write:

 import statsmodels.api as sm

 the following error arises:

 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File pyshell#1, line 1, in module
 import statsmodels.api
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\api.py, line 1, in module
 from . import iolib, datasets, tools
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\iolib\__init__.py, line 1, 
 in module
 from .foreign import StataReader, genfromdta, savetxt
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\iolib\foreign.py, line 20, 
 in module
 import statsmodels.tools.data as data_util
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\tools\__init__.py, line 1, 
 in module
 from .tools import add_constant, categorical
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\statsmodels\tools\tools.py, line 8, in 
 module
 from scipy.interpolate import interp1d
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\interpolate\__init__.py, line 
 150, in module
 from .interpolate import *
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\interpolate\interpolate.py, line 
 12, in module
 import scipy.special as spec
   File C:\Python33\lib\site-packages\scipy\special\__init__.py, line 529, 
 in module
 from ._ufuncs import *

This error traceback appears incomplete.  Did you paste the whole thing?

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Re: Is %z broken for return values of time.gmtime()?

2013-09-16 Thread random832
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013, at 9:15, Michael Schwarz wrote:
 According to the documentation of time.gmtime(), it returns a struct_time
 in UTC, but %z is replaced by +0100, which is the UTC offset of my OS’s
 time zone without DST, but DST is currently in effect here (but was not
 at the timestamp passed to gmtime()).

The struct_time type does not include information about what timezone it
is in.

You can use datetime.datetime (e.g. datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(40 *
365 * 86400,datetime.timezone.utc) - the datetime.datetime class has a
strftime method.

You should be aware that %F and %T are not portable and won't work on
windows for example.
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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread William Ray Wing
On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:
 Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef:
 Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:
 What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
 the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
 aare now sen in the mail headers.
 
 There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
 about is inserted by Google mail servers.
 
 true.
 Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for
 sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the
 very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a
 RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the
 contact. Correct?
 
 But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a
 different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus
 protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that
 initiated the connection?
 
 No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies
 with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and
 will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse
 DNS to report the real hostname of your computer.
 
 Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to be 
 used when sending mail:
 
 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any 
 abuse report
 X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr
 X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr
 X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12]
 X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org
 X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only user 
 confirmed/virtual account not confirmed
 
 Can these be remoevd when i send mail?
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You realize that removing those headers will, in all likelihood, make Google 
reject your mail and refuse to either forward or deliver it.  They have been 
added to reduce spam, and the more you attempt to obfuscate your header 
information, the more you make your mail look exactly like spam.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Denis McMahon
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:23:15 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

 Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to
 be used when sending mail:

 X-AntiAbuse: ...

 and this too:

 Received:  ..

This is probably your mta, not python, see your mta config. OFF TOPIC IN 
comp.lang.python

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Re: Weird ttk behaviour

2013-09-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

16.09.13 19:28, Rotwang написав(ла):

On Windows 7 (sys.version is '3.3.0 (v3.3.0:bd8afb90ebf2, Sep 29 2012,
10:57:17) [MSC v.1600 64 bit (AMD64)]') there's no problem; f() works
fine in the first place. Does anybody know what's going on?


What _root.wantobjects() returns?


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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Denis McMahon
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

 We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both
 the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values
 so that google will use them too.
 
 It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both
 values will be not true.

It may however detect that your are presenting an ip and or hostname that 
does not match the host you are connecting with, and increase the spf 
score on the messages to the point that the messages get rejected either 
in the google mta or downstream due to their spf score.

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Re: Is %z broken for return values of time.gmtime()?

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Schwarz
On 2013-W38-1, at 19:56, random...@fastmail.us wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013, at 9:15, Michael Schwarz wrote:
 According to the documentation of time.gmtime(), it returns a struct_time
 in UTC, but %z is replaced by +0100, which is the UTC offset of my OS’s
 time zone without DST, but DST is currently in effect here (but was not
 at the timestamp passed to gmtime()).
 
 The struct_time type does not include information about what timezone it
 is in.

Uhm … Python 3.3 introduced the tm_gmtoff member of struct_time, which contains 
the offset to UTC. I thought, %z was also introduced in Python 3.3 and so I 
thought it would use that field. What time zone does it use then? Does it 
always use the system's time zone?

 You can use datetime.datetime (e.g. datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(40 *
 365 * 86400,datetime.timezone.utc) - the datetime.datetime class has a
 strftime method.

I do use that, but I was using time.localtime() to convert a POSIX timestamp to 
a date using the system's timezone and saw that while a struct_time produced by 
time.localtime() and formatted using time.strftime() shows the correct time 
zone (+0100 and +0200 here), it does not for a struct_time produced by 
time.gmtime(). I think that's strange.

 You should be aware that %F and %T are not portable and won't work on
 windows for example.

I’m aware of that, but thanks. I was toying around and just needed to print the 
rest of the date.

Regards
Michael

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Denis McMahon denismfmcma...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

  We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both
  the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values
  so that google will use them too.
 
  It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both
  values will be not true.

 It may however detect that your are presenting an ip and or hostname that
 does not match the host you are connecting with, and increase the spf
 score on the messages to the point that the messages get rejected either
 in the google mta or downstream due to their spf score.

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Nikos,

You have to start with a historical perspective.  Email was very open in
the beginning of the internet.  Before there were bad actors.  Since that
time, email has become the internet service most used for bad purposes, to
deliver bad payloads, spoof people into visiting fake websites to induce
them to give away private information, etc.  So, the email services have
gotten more particular about what they deem safe email in lots of different
ways.  If you want to do these various odd and misleading things to the
emails you send out, you will have to understand how to 'beat the systems'
that have been employed to stop that stuff.

Having read your questions here for the last year(s) I don't believe this
is an area in which you excel.  You always want quick answers to questions
that often show your complete lack basic understanding of the question
domain.   If you really want to plod along with this email spoofing, why
not take a couple of weeks to read all about how email works on the
internet, how email has been used to deliver viruses and spoofing schemes.
  After you understand that stuff well enough to show your competence in a
forum where there are other email experts, as your questions there.   As
has been pointed out by several people here, your questions are not python
language issues, they are issues relating to how email protocols work.  So,
study up and go to an email experts group and good luck!


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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 8:53 μμ, ο/η William Ray Wing έγραψε:

On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote:


Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:

Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef:

Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus:

What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so
the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they
aare now sen in the mail headers.


There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain
about is inserted by Google mail servers.


true.
Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for
sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the
very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a
RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the
contact. Correct?

But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a
different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus
protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that
initiated the connection?


No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies
with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and
will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse
DNS to report the real hostname of your computer.


Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to be used 
when sending mail:

X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any 
abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only user 
confirmed/virtual account not confirmed

Can these be remoevd when i send mail?
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You realize that removing those headers will, in all likelihood, make Google 
reject your mail and refuse to either forward or deliver it.  They have been 
added to reduce spam, and the more you attempt to obfuscate your header 
information, the more you make your mail look exactly like spam.

-Bill


But i wish to try it, is there a way to try to remove them?

For starters, does my MTA add them as additional headers to my mail or 
Google adds them by default ?

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Ferrous Cranus

Στις 16/9/2013 10:09 μμ, ο/η Denis McMahon έγραψε:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both
the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values
so that google will use them too.

It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both
values will be not true.


It may however detect that your are presenting an ip and or hostname that
does not match the host you are connecting with, and increase the spf
score on the messages to the point that the messages get rejected either
in the google mta or downstream due to their spf score.



We have to try it to know for sure.

For example do ou know how can a later the hostname the MTA uses to 
identify the server?

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New on python

2013-09-16 Thread Ibrahima Barry
hello everyone, I am a beginner in python programming language, so I need help 
with the basics, the synthaxes, functions, please help me
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Re: New on python

2013-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Ibrahima Barry ibscofi...@gmail.com wrote:
 hello everyone, I am a beginner in python programming language, so I need 
 help with the basics, the synthaxes, functions, please help me

Welcome! Python tutorials can be found all over the internet. Here's
one good one:

http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/

Have fun!

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Re: Weird ttk behaviour

2013-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Rotwang sg...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
 If I then uncomment those two lines, reload the module and call f() again
 (by entering tkderp.reload(tkderp).f()), the function works like it was
 supposed to in the first place: two warnings, no exceptions. I can reload
 the module as many times as I like and f() will continue to work without any
 problems.

Reloading modules in Python is a bit messy. Are you able to tinker
with it and make it work in some way without reloading? It'd be easier
to figure out what's going on that way.

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Re: New on python

2013-09-16 Thread Ben Finney
Ibrahima Barry ibscofi...@gmail.com writes:

 hello everyone, I am a beginner in python programming language

Welcome, and congratulations on finding Python.

 so I need help with the basics, the synthaxes, functions, please help
 me

At the Python website you can find a page linking to other documentation
URL:http://python.org/doc/, especially the Python tutorial
URL:http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/.

The Python Wiki has a page specially for beginners guides
URL:https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide.

Good hunting!

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How do I calculate a mean with python?

2013-09-16 Thread William Bryant
Hey I am new to python so go easy, but I wanted to know how to make a program 
that calculates the maen.

List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40]
def mean():
global themean, thesum
for i in List:
thecount = List.count(i)
thesum = sum(List)
themean = thesum / thecount

Why doesn't this work?
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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

 We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both
 the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values
 so that google will use them too.
 
 It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both
 values will be not true.


Are you planning on sending spam? Or some other criminal activity?

I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reason for your website 
to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email.



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Re: How do I calculate a mean with python?

2013-09-16 Thread Jugurtha Hadjar

On 09/17/2013 12:33 AM, William Bryant wrote:

Hey I am new to python so go easy, but I wanted to know how to make a program 
that calculates the maen.

List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40]
def mean():
 global themean, thesum
 for i in List:
 thecount = List.count(i)
 thesum = sum(List)
 themean = thesum / thecount

Why doesn't this work?




Hello, William..

How about you try to execute one bit of your program, and if that works, 
try to add to it.


Try

list = [15, 6]
list.count(1)

And see if what it gives you back is what you expected. If not, why ?



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Re: How do I calculate a mean with python?

2013-09-16 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:33:35 -0700, William Bryant wrote:

 Hey I am new to python so go easy, but I wanted to know how to make a
 program that calculates the maen.
 
 List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40]
 def mean():
 global themean, thesum
 for i in List:
 thecount = List.count(i)
 thesum = sum(List)
 themean = thesum / thecount
 
 Why doesn't this work?

Let me start by saying that the above is not best practice for how to 
write functions, and I'll explain why later, but for now I'll just fix 
the problem with the calculation.

You have List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40] and then the mean function walks 
through each of the items 15, 6, 6, 7, ... counting how many times that 
item is found:

for i in List:
thecount = List.count(i)
thesum = sum(List)


So the first time, i gets the value 15, thecount calculates 
List.count(15) which is 1, thesum calculates sum(List) which is 91, and 
the end of the loop is reached.

The second time around, i gets the value 6, then thecount calculates 
List.count(6) which is 2, thesum calculates sum(List) *again*, which is 
still 91, and the end of the loop is reached.

Third time around, i gets the value 6 again, thecount again gets the 
value 2, thesum yet again sums up List which still hasn't changed, so yet 
again gets 91.

And so on, and so on, until the last iteration, where i gets the value 
40, thecount calculates List.count(40) which is 1, thesum re-calculates 
the sum yet again, still getting the exact same result 91, and finally 
the for-loop comes to an end.

Now the final calculation occurs:

themean = thesum/thecount

which is 91/1 or just 91.

What do you actually want? It's much simpler: you want to count the 
*total* number of items, 7, not by counting each item individually. The 
total number of items is given by the length of the list:

len(List)

returns 7. And you want to sum the list once, there's no need to sum it 7 
times. So the first step is to get rid of the for-loop, just calculate 
thesum = sum(List) once, and thecount = len(List) once.

Once you've done that, please write back with your new code, because I 
think there will be some more improvements to be made.



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Re: How do I calculate a mean with python?

2013-09-16 Thread MRAB

On 17/09/2013 00:33, William Bryant wrote:

Hey I am new to python so go easy, but I wanted to know how to make a program 
that calculates the maen.

List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40]
def mean():
 global themean, thesum


You're iterating through every number in the list...


 for i in List:


counting how many times each number occurs in the list:


 thecount = List.count(i)


This line calculates the sum of the numbers on every iteration:


 thesum = sum(List)


This line divides the sum of the numbers by the last count:


 themean = thesum / thecount

Why doesn't this work?


It does work; it just doesn't calculate the mean!

What you end up with is:

themean = sum(List) / List.count(40)

What you _really_ want is the sum of the numbers divided by the
number of numbers (i.e. the length of the list).

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Re: How is this list comprehension evaluated?

2013-09-16 Thread Roy Smith
In article eae87c72-f62d-4815-bb69-ca862ff78...@googlegroups.com,
 Arturo B a7xrturo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, I'm making Python mini-projects and now I'm making a Latin Square
 
 (Latin Square: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_square)
 
 So, I started watching example code and I found this question on 
 Stackoverflow: 
 
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5313900/generating-cyclic-permutations-redu
 ced-latin-squares-in-python
 
 It uses a list comprenhension to generate the Latin Square, I'm am a newbie 
 to Python, and  I've tried to figure out how this is evaluated:
 
 a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
 n = len(a)
 [[a[i - j] for i in range(n)] for j in range(n)]

You can re-write any list comprehension as a for loop.  In this case you 
have to un-wrap this one layer at a time.  First step:

a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
n = len(a)
temp1 = []
for j in range(n):
temp2 = [a[i - j] for i in range(n)]
temp1.append(item)

then, unwrap the next layer:

a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
n = len(a)
temp1 = []
for j in range(n):
temp2 = []
for i in range(n):
 temp3 = a[i - j]
 temp2.append(temp3)
temp1.append(item)

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Re: How do I calculate a mean with python?

2013-09-16 Thread Jugurtha Hadjar


On 09/17/2013 12:33 AM, William Bryant wrote:

Hey I am new to python so go easy, but I wanted to know how to make a program 
that calculates the maen.

List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40]
def mean():
 global themean, thesum
 for i in List:
 thecount = List.count(i)
 thesum = sum(List)
 themean = thesum / thecount

Why doesn't this work?



You want to compute the arithmetic mean, I suppose .. Which is the sum 
of all, divided by the number of samples. i.e: If you have n numbers or 
elements, your mean (arithmetic) would be mean = sum(elements)/n. Right ?


And then, n also doesn't need to be in the loop and list.count(i) gives 
the occurrences of i in your list, which you don't need.


list.count(15) gives 1.
thesum/list.count(15) doesn't change.


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Re: How do I calculate a mean with python?

2013-09-16 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 16Sep2013 16:33, William Bryant gogobe...@gmail.com wrote:
| Hey I am new to python so go easy, but I wanted to know how to make a program 
that calculates the maen.
| 
| List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40]
| def mean():
| global themean, thesum
| for i in List:
| thecount = List.count(i)
| thesum = sum(List)
| themean = thesum / thecount
| 
| Why doesn't this work?

Well:

  - always include the output you get from your program, and say
why you think it is incorrect

  - just style: we tend to name variables in lower case in Python, and
classes with an upper case letter; List is a bit odd (but
list is taken; how about values?)

  - more than style: WHY are you using global variables; just return the mean
from the function!

  - teh variable List inside the function is _local_; your function does not
accept a parameter

  - sum(List) sums the whole list
you run it many times
why?

  - what do you think count() does?

  - you should print i, thecount and thesum on each iteration of
the list; it will help you see what your function is doing, and
therefore to figure out what it is doing wrong

I would write a mean like this:

def mean(values):
  return sum(values) / len(values)

There are circumstances where that is simplistic, but it is the classic
definition of the mean.

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Re: How do I calculate a mean with python?

2013-09-16 Thread Dave Angel
On 16/9/2013 19:33, William Bryant wrote:

 Hey I am new to python so go easy, but I wanted to know how to make a program 
 that calculates the maen.

 List = [15, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 40]
 def mean():
 global themean, thesum
 for i in List:
 thecount = List.count(i)
 thesum = sum(List)
 themean = thesum / thecount

 Why doesn't this work?

Besides all the other comments, you also neglected calling this
function.

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Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

2013-09-16 Thread Tim Chase
On 2013-09-17 00:15, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include
 it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname -
 my.superhost.gr
 X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr
 X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12]
 X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org
 X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id:
 nikos/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed
 
 For starters, does my MTA add them as additional headers to my mail
 or Google adds them by default ?

Given that there are headers in there that know about your UID/GID, it
has to be a locally-running process that adds them.  No remote server
(even as powerful as Gmail is) should/can know this legitimately
without being told.  Thus, it's clearly your local MTA.

 But i wish to try it, is there a way to try to remove them?

You could manage your own SMTP connection.  If only Python had some
built in library that handled SMTP, that would be great!  Then you
would be able to instantiate some SMTP object, connect to another
server, optionally authenticating, then send mail, and close the
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Qt connect and first connect or unicode

2013-09-16 Thread Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh
Dear all,

Unfortunately, i confused and need help... the following code is:
###
##CheckBox:
QtCore.QObject.connect(self.checkBox,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(toggled(bool))), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(C,self,name,self.lineEdit.text()))

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.checkBox_2,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(toggled(bool))), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(C,self,bought_price,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_2.text()

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.checkBox_4,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(toggled(bool))), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(C,self,stock,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_3.text()

##LineEdit
QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(L,self,name,self.lineEdit.text()))

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_2,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(L,self,bought_price,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_2.text()

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_3,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(L,self,stock,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_3.text()


QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_2,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_3,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(returnPressed())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_2,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(returnPressed())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))

QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_3,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(returnPressed())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))

##PushButton:
QtCore.QObject.connect(self.pushButtonSearch,
QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(clicked())), lambda:
self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))



def setFilterDict(self,widget,obj,field,lineEditContent):
if field not in obj.materialsInstance.filterNameDict.keys():

obj.materialsInstance.filterNameDict.update({field:lineEditContent})



Description:
I have 3 widget:
1. CheckBox:  a. name b. bought_price c. stock
2. LineEdit : a. name b. bought_price c. stock
3. One PushButton

i have three slot: 1. responseToRequestForData()  2.setFilterDict()
3.unSetFilterDict()
responseToRequestForData(): start to search in DB
setFilterDict(): fill a dict from my LineEdit

Problem:
My name is filled in dict but its value doesn't fill up. b and c don't
have any problem.

Yours,
Mohsen

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Re: Qt connect and first connect or unicode

2013-09-16 Thread Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh
On Tue, 2013-09-17 at 08:42 +0430, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 Unfortunately, i confused and need help... the following code is:
 ###
 ##CheckBox:
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.checkBox,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(toggled(bool))), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(C,self,name,self.lineEdit.text()))
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.checkBox_2,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(toggled(bool))), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(C,self,bought_price,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_2.text()
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.checkBox_4,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(toggled(bool))), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(C,self,stock,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_3.text()
 
 ##LineEdit
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(L,self,name,self.lineEdit.text()))
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_2,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(L,self,bought_price,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_2.text()
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_3,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.setFilterDict(L,self,stock,persianToInteger(unicode(self.lineEdit_3.text()
 
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_2,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_3,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(editingFinished())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(returnPressed())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_2,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(returnPressed())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))
 
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.lineEdit_3,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(returnPressed())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))
 
 ##PushButton:
 QtCore.QObject.connect(self.pushButtonSearch,
 QtCore.SIGNAL(_fromUtf8(clicked())), lambda:
 self.materialsInstance.responseToRequestForData(self))
 
 
 
 def setFilterDict(self,widget,obj,field,lineEditContent):
 if field not in obj.materialsInstance.filterNameDict.keys():
 
 obj.materialsInstance.filterNameDict.update({field:lineEditContent})
 
 
 
 Description:
 I have 3 widget:
 1. CheckBox:  a. name b. bought_price c. stock
 2. LineEdit : a. name b. bought_price c. stock
 3. One PushButton
 
 i have three slot: 1. responseToRequestForData()  2.setFilterDict()
 3.unSetFilterDict()
 responseToRequestForData(): start to search in DB
 setFilterDict(): fill a dict from my LineEdit
 
 Problem:
 My name is filled in dict but its value doesn't fill up. b and c don't
 have any problem.
 
 Yours,
 Mohsen
 
I see same output in console:
{'stock': 2, 'name': PyQt4.QtCore.QString(u''), 'bought_price': 23}


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[issue19030] inspect.getmembers and inspect.classify_class_attrs mishandle descriptors

2013-09-16 Thread Nick Coghlan

Nick Coghlan added the comment:

types is the OO equivalent to functools these days, in addition to its original 
role of exposing the internal type objects that aren't builtins.

However, it seems to me that the fix for issue 1785 is simply *wrong*: it 
eliminated the exceptions at the expense of sometimes returning the *wrong 
answer*. The change in that issue means the inspect module isn't implementing 
the descriptor protocol correctly, and thus may provide a raw descriptor object 
when attempting to retrieve that attribute will return something else.

Instead of the current behaviour, the inspect module should be trying getattr 
*first*, and only falling back to peeking in the __dict__ directly if that 
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[issue19015] Too long command returns 32512

2013-09-16 Thread Sworddragon

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I have figured out that system() in C can only take up to 65533 arguments after 
a command (so it is a 16 bit issue). Giving one more argument will result in 
the return code 32512 (which implies the exit code 127).

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[issue11708] argparse: suggestion for formatting optional positional args

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[issue12558] Locale-dependent exception for float width argument to Tkinter widget constructor

2013-09-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

 I am presuming that tk truncates fractional parts as int() does; if not, use 
 round().

Tk uses both truncated and rounded value.

$ rlwrap wish
% canvas .c
.c
% .c configure -width 10.1
% .c configure -width
-width width Width 10c 10
% .c configure -width 10.9
% .c configure -width
-width width Width 10c 11

As you can see 10.9 gives both 10c and 11.

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[issue19033] Python 3 won't go on PC-BSD 9.1

2013-09-16 Thread R. David Murray

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We have FreeBSD buildbots.

Python 3.0 is an ancient version of Python3 (in Internet years, at least :)  
Please try again with python 3.3, the current stable version of Python3.  

If that doesn't work, you should contact the pc-bsd support, since Python3 
clearly configures and builds on FreeBSD (since it works on the buildbots).   
(That said, note that the FreeBSD port does have some patches that provide 
better integration with the FreeBSD ports system...I don't know if PC-BSD uses 
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[issue19033] Python 3 won't go on PC-BSD 9.1

2013-09-16 Thread Ned Deily

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[issue19033] Python 3 won't go on PC-BSD 9.1

2013-09-16 Thread Ned Deily

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http://www.python.org/download/
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[issue12558] Locale-dependent exception for float width argument to Tkinter widget constructor

2013-09-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

Oh, sorry, 10c is unrelated. Tk uses rounding. I don't know if it requires 
somewhere actual non-integer values.

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[issue19029] tix.py uses StringType

2013-09-16 Thread Roundup Robot

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New changeset 9eab3e745061 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch '3.3':
Issue #19029: Change non-existing since 3.0 StringType to str.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/9eab3e745061

New changeset 95b3efe3d7b7 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch 'default':
Issue #19029: Change non-existing since 3.0 StringType to str.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/95b3efe3d7b7

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[issue18975] timeit: Use thousands separators and print number of loops per second

2013-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

I'm fine with the change too. Tim, what do you think?

Speaking of which, some examples were really done with an old machine:

$ python -m timeit 'try:' '  str.__bool__' 'except AttributeError:' '  pass'
-   10 loops, best of 3: 15.7 usec per loop
+   100 loops, best of 3: 0.701 usec per loop (1425528 loops/s)

:-)

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[issue19030] inspect.getmembers and inspect.classify_class_attrs mishandle descriptors

2013-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

 However, it seems to me that the fix for issue 1785 is simply *wrong*: it 
 eliminated the exceptions at the expense of sometimes returning the *wrong 
 answer*.

The underlying problem is that those functions are not very well-specified 
(actually, classify_class_attrs() is not specified at all: it's undocumented).  
The main consumer of inspect in the stdlib is pydoc, and pydoc being broken by 
third-party libraries with non-trivial descriptors was a major nuisance.

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[issue19032] __reduce_ex__ on lock object

2013-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

I don't really know. It simply looks like the default implementation of 
__reduce_ex__. Is it important?

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[issue19034] More useful repr for Tcl_Obj

2013-09-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

New submission from Serhiy Storchaka:

Currently the repr() for Tcl_Obj is not very useful. It exposes only Tcl type 
name and Tcl object address.

 import tkinter.ttk
 tv = tkinter.ttk.Treeview()
 tv.tag_configure('test', foreground='blue')
{}
 str(tv.tag_configure('test', 'foreground'))
'blue'
 tv.tag_configure('test', 'foreground')
color object at 0xb70f84b8

You need explicitly call str to get more useful information. This is awkward 
when Tcl object hidden deeply in tuples or other data structure, or reported in 
a backtrace. Actually every Tcl object can be represented as a string. I 
propose to expose this representation in repr(). With proposed patch the output 
of the last command will be: color object: 'blue'.

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[issue18975] timeit: Use thousands separators and print number of loops per second

2013-09-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

Inconsistency: sec per loop vs. loops/s.

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[issue19029] tix.py uses StringType

2013-09-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Changes by Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com:


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[issue19030] inspect.getmembers and inspect.classify_class_attrs mishandle descriptors

2013-09-16 Thread Nick Coghlan

Nick Coghlan added the comment:

Right, we definitely want inspect to swallow the exceptions from
descriptors. My suggestion is merely to switch the order to be:
1. Try getattr
2. If that throws an exception, check __dict__ directly
3. If neither works (e.g. due to a buggy __dir__ method), ignore the
attribute entirely.

The problem at the moment is *working* descriptors that are designed to
fall back on the metaclass lookup are being mishandled.

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[issue19030] inspect.getmembers and inspect.classify_class_attrs mishandle descriptors

2013-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

 Right, we definitely want inspect to swallow the exceptions from
 descriptors. My suggestion is merely to switch the order to be:
 1. Try getattr
 2. If that throws an exception, check __dict__ directly
 3. If neither works (e.g. due to a buggy __dir__ method), ignore the
 attribute entirely.

Are you talking about descriptors defined on the class or the metaclass? :-)

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[issue18975] timeit: Use thousands separators and print number of loops per second

2013-09-16 Thread Jakub Stasiak

Jakub Stasiak added the comment:

That's right, I was actually wondering about it few minutes before you pointed 
it out. Find new patch attached.

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[issue1065986] Fix pydoc crashing on unicode strings

2013-09-16 Thread Akira Kitada

Akira Kitada added the comment:

Attaching a modified version of issue1065986.patch.
The differences are:

- Added _binstr(), which is str() that works with unicode objects.
- Changed getdoc() to return encoded docstrings/comments
- Used _binstr() to convert __version__, __date__, __author__ and
  __credits__ to str

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[issue19032] __reduce_ex__ on lock object

2013-09-16 Thread Ram Rachum

Ram Rachum added the comment:

I use that to test whether an object is pickleable or not. It used to work in 
Python 2.

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[issue11798] Test cases not garbage collected after run

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord added the comment:

If we're sure suite._cleanupis a *good* api for this then fine to expose it 
(and document) it as a public api. I'll take a look at it in a bit. 

Test suites will still have to do *some* monkeying around to set suite.cleanup 
(presumably in load_tests), so I'm not sure it's much more convenient...

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[issue19016] autospecced namedtuples should be truthy by default

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord added the comment:

The problem is that the change you're proposing is backwards incompatible. Code 
using MagicMock and objects with length will break.

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[issue18996] unittest: more helpful truncating long strings

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord added the comment:

Awesome, thanks for this work. 

The only thing I'd say is that if  _common_shorten is always called with two 
args - and safe_repr is always called on them - then why not have it take two 
args and call safe_repr on them?

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[issue19030] inspect.getmembers and inspect.classify_class_attrs mishandle descriptors

2013-09-16 Thread Nick Coghlan

Nick Coghlan added the comment:

On the class, since that's the case which is breaking here (instances are
already OK, since they trigger the success path in the custom descriptors)

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[issue19032] __reduce_ex__ on lock object

2013-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

 I use that to test whether an object is pickleable or not. It used to
 work in Python 2.

Well, the obvious way to do it would be to call pickle.dumps() on
the object, IMO :-)

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[issue19032] __reduce_ex__ on lock object

2013-09-16 Thread Ram Rachum

Ram Rachum added the comment:

Wrong, because the object itself could be pickleable but refer to a different 
object which is non-pickleable. I want to know whether the object itself, 
without any object it refers to, is pickleable.

Also, pickling an object could be very resource-intensive, depending on its 
size.

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[issue16129] No good way to set 'PYTHONIOENCODING' when embedding python.

2013-09-16 Thread Brecht Van Lommel

Brecht Van Lommel added the comment:

With the language summit passed some time ago, is there now a more clear 
picture of how this would fit in the initialisation process?

Any idea of what a proper implementation would look like, or is the message 
still to wait?

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[issue19032] __reduce_ex__ on lock object

2013-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou added the comment:

 Wrong, because the object itself could be pickleable but refer to a
 different object which is non-pickleable. I want to know whether the
 object itself, without any object it refers to, is pickleable.

I think you're being too picky. Unless you're manually added stuff
to your Lock's attributes, there isn't a practical difference between
the two situations.

 Also, pickling an object could be very resource-intensive, depending
 on its size.

Well, this is a Lock here, not an ISO file.

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[issue14984] netrc module allows read of non-secured .netrc file

2013-09-16 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

Barry A. Warsaw added the comment:

@RDM: Please commit to 2.6 and null merge to 2.7.  Thanks!

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[issue18050] embedded interpreter or virtualenv fails with ImportError: cannot import name MAXREPEAT

2013-09-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

Well. While the running different versions of binaries and Python files is not 
a good idea, perhaps we can apply this change. But only for 2.7 and 3.3. There 
is no need in this garbage in 3.4.

I'm still not sure that there are no other inconsistencies between old static 
binaries and newer Python files.

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[issue18985] Improve the documentation in fcntl module

2013-09-16 Thread Vajrasky Kok

Vajrasky Kok added the comment:

Updated patch based on Ezio's review. I reverted back the changes to Nul and 
module documentation (since it is not so clear whether we should categorize 
flock as Unix routine or not).

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[issue19035] tokenize.generate_tokens treat '\f' symbol as the end of file (when reading in unicode)

2013-09-16 Thread Alexey Umnov

New submission from Alexey Umnov:

I execute the following code on the attached file 'text.txt':


import tokenize
import codecs

with open('text.txt', 'r') as f:
reader = codecs.getreader('utf-8')(f)
tokens = tokenize.generate_tokens(reader.readline)


The file 'text.txt' has the following structure: first line with some text, 
then '\f' symbol (0x0c) on the second line and then some text on the last line. 
The result is that the function 'generate_tokens' ignores everything after '\f'.

I've made some debugging and found out the following. If the file is read 
without using codecs (in ascii-mode), there are considered to be 3 lines in the 
file: 'text1\n', '\f\n', 'text2\n'. However in unicode-mode there are 4 lines: 
'text1\n', '\f', '\n', 'text2\n'. I guess this is an intended behaviour since 
2.7.x, but this causes a bug in tokenize module.

Consider the lines 317-329 in tokenize.py:

...
column = 0
while pos  max:   # measure leading whitespace
if line[pos] == ' ':
column += 1
elif line[pos] == '\t':
column = (column//tabsize + 1)*tabsize
elif line[pos] == '\f':
column = 0
else:
break
pos += 1
if pos == max:
break
...

The last 'break' corresponds to the main parsing loop and makes the parsing 
stop. Thus the lines that consist of (' ', '\t', '\f') characters and don't end 
with '\n' are treated as the end of file.

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[issue18857] urlencode of a None value uses the string 'None'

2013-09-16 Thread Claudiu.Popa

Claudiu.Popa added the comment:

No problem, David, working on these patches is just an occasion for me to learn 
more and be useful at the same time.

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[issue18704] IDLE: PEP8 Style Check Integration

2013-09-16 Thread R. Jayakrishnan

R. Jayakrishnan added the comment:

I would prefer this issue concludes with a navigation to the new proposed 
enhancement.

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[issue19030] inspect.getmembers and inspect.classify_class_attrs mishandle descriptors

2013-09-16 Thread Ethan Furman

Ethan Furman added the comment:

Switching the order to try getattr first is going to make getting the doc from 
the descriptor problematic -- we have no way of knowing if the descriptor doc 
goes with the object we got back from getattr.

Current patch adds VirtualAttribute to types, and reworks 
inspect.classify_class_attrs, inspect.getmembers, and Enum to use that instead 
of _RouteClassAttributeToGetattr (which has been removed).

Tests are still needed for the new VirtualAttribute.

Not sure VirtualAttribute is the best name; other ideas:

  - InstanceProperty
  - AttributeProperty
  - HiddenClassProperty

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