Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting: January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM

Please join us January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the seventh meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). Squid and Zope! Python and Zope roundtable! Free food! * Andrew Sawyers will discuss using the open source cache server Squid with Zope, including a discussion of the

Manuel 1.6.0 released - now compatible with Python 3

://pypi.python.org/pypi/manuel. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/

Re: Employablity of python programmers

choice. Go after what you really want, and you will too. -- Benji York Sr. Software Engineer Zope Corporation -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: delay and force in Python

): for x in gen: if x % 2 == 0: yield x numbers = even(count(1, 999)) first = numbers.next() second = numbers.next() print second -- Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: barchart for webpage needed

technique: http://www.siteexperts.com/tips/contents/ts13/page1.asp. -- Benji York Sr. Software Engineer Zope Corporation -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Reportlab and Barcodes

Josh wrote: I need someone to explain to me how to output a Code39 barcode to a Reportlab PDF. This may not help you directly, but I've made use of it in the past: a very nice and totally free 3 of 9 TrueType font. http://www.barcodesinc.com/free-barcode-font/ -- Benji --

Re: Considering python - have a few questions.

threads here about connecting to Access. I don't mind working hard to learn how to do it I just want to know if Python is a good choice or not! I'd definitely say so. Have fun! -- Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: String Identity Test

a coincidence of the implementation. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting: November 9, 7:30-9:00 PM

Please join us November 9, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the sixth meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). Squid and Zope! Using Zope for newspaper publishing! The dangers of object oriented inheritance! Free food! * Andrew Sawyers will discuss using the open source cache

Re: which feature of python do you like most?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea why people are so facinating with python. So I post this question: What do you use in your dairy work with python? I can't imagine why you're confused. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: debugger

mclaugb wrote: Is there a decent debugger to use with IDL? I have briefly about PDB but this looks pretty limited in features and difficult to use. You might like Winpdb: http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/ -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: debugger

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benji York wrote: You might like Winpdb: http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/ Not Found The requested URL /pythondebugger/-- was not found on this server. Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Server at www.digitalpeers.com Port 80 shrug Works for me. -- Benji York

Re: Default method arguments

I'll add my 2 cents to the mix: default = object() class A(object): def __init__(self, n): self.data = n def f(self, x=default): if x is default: x = self.data print x -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Lowercasing Items in a List

'] -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: sql server support from linux

ODBTP project sometime after the new year. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: odbc script

ADO. It presents a standard DB-API 2.0 interface. I've had good luck with it. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: String backslash characters

appear that the parser reads \377 as a single character and \378 as two (\37 and the 8 character). I'm somewhat surprised you're seeing a heart and an 8. What OS/language combination are you using? If you're using English Windows you can get a heart and an 8 with print '\38'. -- Benji York [EMAIL

Re: Lambda going out of fashion

is equivalent to len('H', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', '!') Which gives the same error: Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? TypeError: len() takes exactly one argument (6 given) If the * is removed, it works correctly: apply(len, blah) 6 -- Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http

Re: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!

cause problems, too. Only if you don't know how decent editors behave. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!

that I don't care. I'm not as diplomatic about tabs. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!

and it helps quite a bit. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Proposal: Inline Import

Shane Hathaway wrote: I'd like a way to import modules at the point where I need the functionality, rather than remember to import ahead of time. This might eliminate a step in my coding process. Currently, my process is I change code and later scan my changes to make matching changes to

Re: Proposal: Inline Import

Shane Hathaway wrote: Benji York wrote: [a quicker, but still manual, way to handle adding new imports] That's something the computer should do for me. It's busywork. Eclipse practically eliminates this busywork when I'm writing Java code: if I autocomplete a name, it also quietly adds

Re: Proposal: Inline Import

Shane Hathaway wrote: Benji York wrote: OK, good. You won't have to worry about that. :) You didn't give a reason for disliking it. Oh, I don't particularly dislike it. I hadn't come up with a reason to like or dislike it, other than a predilection for the status quo. -- Benji York

Re: Still Loving Python

Ivan Voras wrote: Are there any easy GUI builders for any Python-supported toolkits? wxDesigner is a really good commercial product, it's pretty inexpensive, too. http://www.roebling.de/ -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Which Python web framework is most like Ruby on Rails?

Russell E. Owen wrote: I disagree. Once you've picked a database (not trivial in itself, of course), you typically only have a few options for talking to in in Python. Perhaps it's off-topic for this thread, but I think picking a database is the first mistake most people make. It's a form

Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting: January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM

Please join us January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the seventh meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). Squid and Zope! Python and Zope roundtable! Free food! * Andrew Sawyers will discuss using the open source cache server Squid with Zope, including a discussion of the

Re: Construct raw strings?

the non-raw string representation in path_to_scan. Use either 'd:\test_images' or 'd:\\test_images' instead. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Construct raw strings?

Peter Hansen wrote: Benji York wrote: It's not join that's getting you, it's the non-raw string representation in path_to_scan. Use either 'd:\test_images' or 'd:\\test_images' instead. Benji, you're confusing things: you probably meant r'd:\test_images' in the above Doh! I did indeed

Re: job scheduling framework?

to extend it in the direction you're talking about. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python script under windows

Jan Gregor wrote: I run python script on another computer and want to survive that script after my logout. Start at http://www.python.org/windows/win32/#NTServices. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Grouping lists

-functions.html -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[Fwd: Sept 14 Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG: Packaging with zpkg, review of Python Cookbook 2nd ed]

Please join us September 14, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the fourth meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). This meeting has three features of note. - Fred Drake, Zope Corp Senior Software Engineer, Python core developer, and Python documentation maintainer and editor will

Re: Brute force sudoku cracker

Sybren Stuvel wrote: def all(seq, pred=bool): What's this? What is bool? See http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html#l2h-10 -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: testing a website from python

. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: distutils and decorators

to 2.3 compatible syntax instead. Something like: def foo(): pass foo = cherrypy.expose(1)(foo) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Perl's documentation come of age

people might not find it that useful, but the who uses that!? response is hard for me to understand. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: distutils and decorators

direct 2' bux = expose(1)(bar) Here's it's output (2.4.1 on Linux): % python /tmp/1.py before decorator (no args) direct before decorator (with args) decorator before direct 1 direct before direct 2 decorator What am I missing? -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: send mail through webmail

(http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/branches/testbrowser-integration/src/zope/testbrowser/ and http://benjiyork.com/zope.testbrowser-0.1.tgz). See the README.txt for general info and over_the_wire.txt for how to use it to access web sites. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: send mail through webmail

Benji York wrote: You can also try the almost-publicly-available package zope.testbrowser (http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/branches/testbrowser-integration/src/zope/testbrowser/ and http://benjiyork.com/zope.testbrowser-0.1.tgz). I forgot to mention that it requires the ZopeInterface package

Re: testing a website from python

Achim Domma (SyynX Solutions GmbH) wrote: Benji York wrote: If there is any interest I'll try to package up a stand-alone version in the next few days. I think that would be a very usefull tool. Currently I'm using httpunit with Jython but a python only tool would be much nicer. I put

Re: Calling python scripts from C# programs

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to call (execute) some python scripts from my C# program. See http://www.zope.org/Members/Brian/PythonNet. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Linux/Python - SQL*Server Connexion chain

version at http://benjiyork.com/software.html. I'm not using it any more, but have a more recent version that I really should package up. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Accessing class variable at class creation time

... print X ... 2 -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Accessing class variable at class creation time

Jan-Ole Esleben wrote: That doesn't really give him a way of using the class variable inside a method. Oh! I must have misunderstood the question. I'd like to know more about why the OP wants to do this; a small example would help narrow down the possibilities. -- Benji York -- http

Re: [RFC] Parametric Polymorphism

implementation of methods. Take a look at PJE's generic function implementation. PyCon slides here: http://www.python.org/pycon/2005/papers/53/PyCon05Talk.html. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.4 under WinXP, free VC71 toolkit and VC6 libraries

Berthold Höllmann wrote: I'm sure ctypes doesnot work on Linux and Solaris, but my code has to. I've used ctypes to great effect on Linux. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: number of python users

by default. You can always provide your own if you wish. Zope 3 is much more like a normal Python library in this respect. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: list.join()... re.join()...? Do they exist? (newbie questions...)

having to go about it in such a laborious fashion Indeed. :) cat_list = '|'.join(List) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How is wxWindows related to Python?

of Microsoft) is for C++. You're looking for wxPython: http://wxpython.org/ -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Automating, Building, Testing and Deploying to Production Server

back to the previous build). We don't do it this way, but because the buildout for a particular project is itself versioned, you could just svn up to the previous version and rebuild it and you'd be back to where you started. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Finding the Process Path

Peck, Jon wrote: I have Python code running in an application, and I would like to find the full path of the process executable where it is running. Like this? import sys sys.executable '/usr/bin/python' -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New project coming up...stay with Python, or go with a dot net language??? Your thoughts please!

Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: If not Ironpython, Boo (which could be considered almost an static version of Python for .NET) would be a great choice. You could also use Python for .Net (http://www.zope.org/Members/Brian/PythonNet). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: So far

you can download (the demo can't save your designs, but can generate code so you can try it out). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Matching zero only once using RE

in pagetext: print 'yes' else: print 'no' -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: read serial data from a barcode reader/scanner using python

Google (then here if answers are not forthcoming). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Problems with properties

self._command -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Function to execute only once

PyPK wrote: now I want execute() function to get executed only once. That is the first time it is accessed. How about just calculating the value at import time? -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: a dict problem

{'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2} v = d.values() v [1, 3, 2] v.sort() v [1, 2, 3] -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Case Sensitive, Multiline Comments

What I want to know is how Mangus wrote an entire message fully justified. I looked for extra spaces and other cheats but only found a couple of superfluous exclamation marks. Well done! He must be a justification wizard. I wish I could do that too. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org

Re: how to prepend string to a string?

+ string? Note that recommended form is to build a list of strings and then use ''.join(all_my_strings) to form the final result. After saying all that, here's a better way: dirList = ['depth1','depth2','depth3', 'position'] print ' '.join(dirList) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: How to run functions in the background?

Ognjen Bezanov wrote: Is there anywhere where I can find out about queues, for people who know python but have not had a lot of experience with threaded programs? Cheers FOLDOC to the rescue: http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?queue -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: test

not match mine, but if it points to something other than the standard library, you've found the problem. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Abstract and concrete syntax

return property(fget, fset) It doesn't have the one-liner appeal of the lambda version, but it reads well. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: implicit variable declaration and access

object (which is more likely), you can do this: class C: ... pass ... c = C() setattr(c, x, 8) c.my_var 8 code = 'print ' + x exec(code) Getting the value would be like this, respectively: print globals()[x] 7 getattr(c, x) 8 HTH -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: Loop until condition is true

rewarded by a large enough improvement to make it worth it. It could be an economy of one unuseful test by loop. If by economy you mean optimization, then I would suggest that the difference would be unnoticeable. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: eval() in python

harold fellermann wrote: s=print 'hello Xah Lee :-)' exec(s) hello Xah Lee :-) Note that because exec is a statement, the parentheses above are superfluous. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python can do it for me?

. I've generally stuck with wxPython. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Need Python web hosting ASAP

://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonHosting. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Loop until condition is true

True, False. Of course the fix is easy, but it still must be applied before the code will run. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A World Beyond Capitalism 2005,

Ivan Van Laningham wrote: And what defines a python activist anyway? Blowing up Perl installations worldwide? +1 QOTW -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: help!

('a_file') 1119615705 os.system('cat a_file') 0 os.path.getmtime('a_file') 1119615705 os.path.getatime('a_file') 1119615758 -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: a dictionary from a list

'] dict.fromkeys(a_list) {'a': None, 1: None, 2: None, 3: None, 'c': None, 'b': None} -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: http POST only returning GET data

vm wrote: Hi, for some reason my POST is not working properly. Look at the URL again, you missed a character. You had: httpSess.request(POST,/,params,headers) It should be: httpSess.request(POST,/q,params,headers) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Life of Python

. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: unittest: collecting tests from many modules?

, lets you select subsets of the tests to run, as well as control verbosity. And, if you feel experimental you might want to preview the new Zope test runner currently under development (svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Better console for Windows?

on QuickEdit Mode on the Options tab. Then you can drag with your left mouse button to select an area of text, right click to copy, then right click again to paste. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Inheriting from object

Fuzzyman wrote: Also, can anyone explain any tangible benefit of inheriting from object, when not explicitly using any features of new style classes ? One reason is that properties won't work correctly. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Favorite non-python language trick?

near the maturity (or speed) of OZ/Mozart. OTOH, I can actually get things done with the logilab code. But that might say more about me than Mozart. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a British accent...

Graham Fawcett wrote: keep-your-stick-on-the-ice'ly yours, Is that a Red Green reference? Man, I didn't think this could get any more off-topic. :) python-needs-more-duct-tape'ly yours, Benji -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: I have a question.

Nathan Pinno wrote: Does Python have a random function? If so, can you show me an example using it? http://docs.python.org/lib/module-random.html -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python exception hook simple example needed

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone has an idea, how to I catch exceptions globally, please write me. I believe there is an example of this in the demo that comes with wxPython (don't have an install handy to check). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Considering moving from Delphi to Python [Some questions]

Dark Cowherd wrote: I want some feedback on folllwing: anybody who has experience in writing [...] data entry heavy web applications. Any suggestions? You might be interested in Zope 3's ability to generate data entry/edit forms via schemas. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: Folding in vim

. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Use cases for del

Stian Søiland wrote: Yes, and we can make someunknownlist[] = 2 magically do someunknownlist = list() and append 2. I hope you're being sarcastic. :) If not, why don't you like: some_list = [2] -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: map/filter/reduce/lambda opinions and background unscientific mini-survey

Ron Adam wrote: if extraargs: would evaluate to if None:, which would evaluate to if: which would give you an error. In what way is if None: equivalent to if:? -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ANN: python-constraint 1.0

Gustavo Niemeyer wrote: **python-constraint** [1]_ is a Python module offering solvers for Constraint Solving Problems (CSPs) over finite domains in simple and pure Python. Very cool! I can't wait to get some time to play with this. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: Managment of Python Libraries

Joseph Chase wrote: In the past, I have noticed that I have spent a lot of time managing my C++ libraries. The main thing you need are good tests. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting

When: July 13, 7:30-9:00 PM Where: Zope Corp offices (513 Prince Edward Street; Fredericksburg, VA 22408) Details at http://www.zope.org/Members/poster/fxbgzpug_announce_2 Hope to see you there! -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: email format in python

to translate the above code into Python (see http://docs.python.org/lib/module-re.html), you should know that the regex above will not validate all possible email addresses. In general it is a fools errand to try to anyway. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How do I send keystrokes to a console window in Windows XP?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This gives me hope, but what I really need to do is to send keystrokes to an already existing console window. That's exactly what the code does. Try it out, you'll see how it works quickly enough. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Windows command line problem

MarkE wrote: The answer appears to be: An example command line for running the script was written in a word document. The Autocorrect (sic) feature in word replaces a normal dash There is a lesson there I wish more people would learn: Word is not a text editor. :) -- Benji York -- http

Re: Windows command line problem

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the lesson there is 'dont depend on getopt, write your own command line parser'. I always write my own, as it's so easy to do. While I'll agree that getopt isn't ideal, I find optparse to be much better. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Difference between and '

the ordinal values of the single quote and double quote characters Steven, your reply was one of the most subtle and hilarious things I've read in a long time. Unfortunately I couldn't tell if it was intentional or not. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What is your favorite Python web framework?

if you prefer) generating input forms, validating them, applying the results to an object, etc. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: unit test nested functions

, in ? AttributeError: 'function' object has no attribute 'g' f(1) f.g function g at 0xb7df3e2c -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: unit test nested functions

Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Benji York] Note that when using this technique, f.g will not be bound until after you call the function: That is a feature, not a bug. The inner function isn't even created until the outer function is run. I'm fully aware of that. I just didn't want the OP

Re: How to run python script in background after i logout

(short for no hangup, as in the HUP signal). You would run it like so: nohup python script.py see man nohup and info coreutils nohup for more info. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Fire event when variable is Set/Get

return property(**locals()) You can remove any of fget, fset, fdel, or doc without changing any other lines, and there are no extra entries in the class's name space. -- season-to-taste-ly yours, Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: regarding porting to windows.

sure someone would be able to help, but they'll need better information about what your specific question is. Perhaps this would help: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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