Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

On 05/23/2015 05:40 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: A self-signed certificate may be of minimal worth the *first* time you visit a site, but if you return to the site, that initial certificate's signature can be used to

Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

On 05/23/2015 06:44 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Johannes Bauer dfnsonfsdu...@gmx.de: I dislike CAs as much as the next guy. But the problem of distributing trust is just not easy to solve, a TTP is a way out. Do you have an alternative that does not at the same time to providing a solution

Re: different types of inheritence...

On 05/26/2015 08:57 AM, zipher wrote: Comprende? I'm not trying to be cryptic here. This is a bit of OOP theory to be discussed. No, sorry. Maybe an actual example (with use case) would spur discussion. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Real-time recoding of video from asx to non-Windows formats

On 08/12/2015 12:04 AM, Montana Burr wrote: I'm interested in using Python to create a server for streaming my state's traffic cameras - which are only available as Windows Media streams - to devices that do not natively support streaming Windows Media content (think Linux computers

Re: Old DbaseV DOS Programmer wants to step over to new/actual modern program software

On 08/16/2015 10:40 AM, AGOSTINHO TEIXEIRA wrote: I'm a 25year DBASE-5 DOS programmer and want/have to step over to new program/platform software, because there is no future anymore for DOS after W-XP, I've been looking around for alternatives and cannot figure out where to start, I already

Re: SQLite3 and web server

On 08/21/2015 03:44 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: Interesting, but it does not help me. I need to know how to server data from SQLite instead of static files. Is your program already working with data coming from your Python dict? If so, you would just replace the python dict lookups with a call

Re: SQLite3 and web server

On 08/21/2015 08:19 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: But of course you can use straight CGI with Apache too. Probably this is the easiest way for you to get started. Don't try to run your own http server. That's just a waste of time and effort. Run the CGIs under Apache. Google for Apache CGI

Re: Sometimes bottle takes a lot of time

On 08/23/2015 08:05 AM, Johannes Bauer wrote: By git bisect he can find out where he introduced the bug. Like Cecil said, this is of little help. There was no code changed from when he didn't notice the behavior until he did. Note that this says nothing about the location of the bug, in can

Re: Sometimes bottle takes a lot of time

On 08/22/2015 05:37 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: I don't know. Is it bottle, or the browser, or something completely different that eats the extra time? I really do not know. I suspect bottle, but I am new to this, so I value the suspicion of someone who has more experience more. :-D These

Re: Linear time baseconversion

Do you have some Python code to show us? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Linear time baseconversion

On 06/30/2015 10:24 AM, jonas.thornv...@gmail.com wrote: Den tisdag 30 juni 2015 kl. 18:12:46 UTC+2 skrev Michael Torrie: Do you have some Python code to show us? No i just thought you would find the digit search algorithm interesting. Yeah it is interesting, although I didn't really see

Re: Most Pythonic way to store (small) configuration

On 08/04/2015 08:44 PM, random...@fastmail.us wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2015, at 21:32, Michael Torrie wrote: In many of my projects I put basic config variables in a file like config.py and import that in each module that needs it. The config module doubles as a global namespace for sharing

Re: Most Pythonic way to store (small) configuration

On 08/04/2015 08:19 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: So on the whole I am against python code as the config file format. Really, who needs a Turing complete configuration file? In Django's case, since you're intimately referring to certain classes and methods, particularly in the url mapping

Re: Most Pythonic way to store (small) configuration

On 08/04/2015 01:59 PM, Ben Finney wrote: marco.naw...@colosso.nl writes: Why not use Python files itself as configuration files? Because configuration data will be user-editable. (If it's not user-editable, that is itself a poor design choice.) If you allow executable code to be

Re: python for barcode

On 08/06/2015 12:27 PM, Xxx Ooo wrote: I try to do a program to modify barcode which kind of like Msoffice if you suggestion? You'll have to explain better what you're looking for and what you've done so far. Also explain how this relates to Python. I have no idea what like 'Msoffice' means.

[Back off topic] - Re: Hooking Mechanism when Entering and Leaving a Try Block

On 08/13/2015 12:28 AM, Sven R. Kunze wrote: On 12.08.2015 20:44, Sven R. Kunze wrote: On 12.08.2015 18:11, Chris Angelico wrote: Sounds to me like you want some sort of AST transform, possibly in an import hook. Check out something like MacroPy for an idea of how powerful this sort of thing

[OT] unwritten list etiquette ate, was Re: Hooking Mechanism when Entering and Leaving a Try Block

On 08/13/2015 12:26 AM, Sven R. Kunze wrote: snip Btw. to me, the *context is the entire post*, not just two lines. You're a very rare person indeed. Most people seem to not read any of the post except the first and last lines. At least posting inline shows me they've read and understood the

Re: Is Django the way to go for a newbie?

On 08/13/2015 07:30 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: Nothing specifically Django I am getting at. Just that learning - a templating engine -- eg Cheetah, Mako - an ORM eg SQLAlchemy - etc is more fun than learning to chant the right mantras that a framework demands without any clue of what/why/how

Re: Is Django the way to go for a newbie?

On 08/10/2015 10:08 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 8:59:47 AM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote: On 08/10/2015 07:49 PM, Dwight GoldWinde wrote: Thank you, Gary, for this new information. I will be looking into virtualenv and vertualenvwrapper. I thought that Django

Re: Is Django the way to go for a newbie?

On 08/08/2015 10:08 PM, Dwight GoldWinde wrote: I am both new to Python and I haven¹t even touched Django yet. I understand I that I need Django or something like it to develop my website. From what I have read, Python and Django somewhat go together. Is that true? Or is there

Re: Is Django the way to go for a newbie?

On 08/10/2015 07:49 PM, Dwight GoldWinde wrote: Thank you, Gary, for this new information. I will be looking into virtualenv and vertualenvwrapper. I thought that Django was an IDE. But, it seems that an IDE is one more thing that I need that I didn¹t know I needed!? Django is a

Re: Encrypted web mail

On 08/15/2015 03:47 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: To Python, Django and Speedy Mail Software developers, Is it possible to make Speedy Mail encrypted? I want mail to be encrypted on the server, and only the user will be able to read his/her mail. The user's password will be encrypted on the

Re: QUEST: does HACKING make FOR loop quicker.

On 08/05/2015 03:39 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 05/08/2015 21:00, John Doe wrote: Three strikes and you're out, good bye troll. While the original post is incomprehensible to me, I see only one post. What were the other two strikes? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Can I copy/paste Python code?

On 07/21/2015 06:12 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: I don't want to close the TOC panel. I want to collapse all the entries in the TOC tree widget _in_ the TOC panel. Ahh. Atril does not do this either. It can collapse the TOC to the first level items but not the tree itself. I'm curious as to

Re: [OT] Can I copy/paste Python code?

On 07/22/2015 01:35 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: That must be using something other than the standard X11 clipboard copy/paste mechnism. You shouldn't have to right click copy, and many of the apps I paste into don't even have a right click paste. It sounds like evince has abandoned the

Re: Integers with leading zeroes

On 07/22/2015 07:51 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-07-22, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Laura Creighton l...@openend.se writes: The biggest use I have for decimal numbers that begin with 0 is in credit card numbers, account numbers and the like where the first check you do

Re: Can I copy/paste Python code?

On 07/21/2015 03:47 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm trying to switch from acroread to evince, bit it has a few serious usability problems for me: 1) You can't copy/paste text from evince _at_all_. At least it works right most of the time with acroread. I really like being able paste

Re: beginners choice: wx or tk?

On 07/14/2015 08:06 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-07-14, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/13/2015 08:42 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: If it didn't have to run on Windows, I'd pick pygtk over wx. I've never tried qt. PyQt is very nice to work with. In some respects it's

Re: beginners choice: wx or tk?

On 07/13/2015 08:42 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: If it didn't have to run on Windows, I'd pick pygtk over wx. I've never tried qt. PyQt is very nice to work with. In some respects it's not as Pythonic as PyGTK. It feels a lot like transliterated C++ code, which it is. But it's a powerful toolkit

Re: Keypress Input

On 07/15/2015 07:03 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: too much to quote I think you've missed the whole point of the OP's project. He doesn't want to make a GUI. He simply wants to have his program do something like blink an LED when someone presses a big red button. He just wanted a quick way to test

Re: Keypress Input

On 07/15/2015 01:05 PM, John McKenzie wrote: Hello, all. Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I decided to make sure I had something that worked with what I have now and used Curses to finish it. However, it turns out that the extra work and problems with using GPIO pins and

Re: Keypress Input

On 07/16/2015 11:22 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 11:30:40 PM UTC-5, Michael Torrie wrote: On 07/15/2015 07:03 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: too much to quote I think you've missed the whole point of the OP's project. Obviously my reply was not only too much to quote

Re: Need assistance

On 07/16/2015 08:44 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi Michael, I have talked to this guy offlist (basically you gave him the answer (smiles)). Cheers, Joseph Sounds good. I had hoped to merely point him in the right way, and that he would put things together. I hope this is indeed the case. --

Re: Need assistance

On 07/16/2015 08:15 PM, craig.si...@gmail.com wrote: I need help writing a homework program. I'll write it, but I can't figure out how to incorporate what I have read in the book to work in code. Can you post the code that you are currently working with? The assignment wants us to take a

Re: Keypress Input

On 07/16/2015 01:10 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 7/16/2015 12:30 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: On 07/15/2015 07:03 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: too much to quote I think you've missed the whole point of the OP's project. He doesn't want to make a GUI. He simply wants to have his program do something

Re: Need assistance

On 07/18/2015 03:44 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: The new units (HP28, 48, 49, 50, etc.) no longer use the 4-register stack; the stack is whatever is available in memory. As a result, the Roll instructions now need an argument for how many stack entries are in play. The HP50g has

Re: Need assistance

On 07/19/2015 05:06 PM, craig.si...@gmail.com wrote: def main(): name= input('Enter your full name: ') split=name.split() Full_name=split[2],split[0], split[1] print(Full_name[2],',', Full_name[0], Full_name[1]) main() Sorry it took so long to get back to you guys and I

Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed?

On 07/19/2015 06:27 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 20/07/2015 00:23, Cecil Westerhof wrote: No use replying anymore. You make a caricature of what I am saying and put words in my mouth I never said. Just stay in your cosy ivory tower. But please do not pretend that you are open for discussion,

Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed?

On 07/19/2015 11:33 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: For the most part, it's been good to hear from Cecil (there have been a few snarky posts) as he has learned python and really run with it. I don't understand where your apparent frustration with Cecil is coming from. Come to think of it, I can't

Re: Need assistance

On 07/19/2015 06:21 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 6:07:14 PM UTC-5, craig...@gmail.com wrote: def main(): name= input('Enter your full name: ') split=name.split() Full_name=split[2],split[0], split[1] print(Full_name[2],',', Full_name[0], Full_name[1])

Re: Is there a way to install ALL Python packages?

On 07/20/2015 08:57 PM, ryguy7272 wrote: I'd like to install ALL Python packages on my machine. Even if it takes up 4-5GB, or more, I'd like to get everything, and then use it when I need it. Now, I'd like to import packages, like numpy and pandas, but nothing will install. I figure, if I

Re: UNABLE TO GET IDLE TO RUN

On 10/28/2015 10:10 AM, Peter Otten wrote: > Terry Reedy wrote: > > Thank you for your patience. > >> Why do you think it a misfeature for IDLE to execute code the way Python >> does? > > Sadly I wasn't aware that the interactive interpreter is also vulnerable. > I should have been, but failed

Re: UNABLE TO GET IDLE TO RUN

On 10/28/2015 12:21 PM, Peter Otten wrote: > PS: The shell people have learned their lesson and no longer include the > working directory in the PATH: > $ ls # the real thing > $ ./ls # use at your own risk Sure but this is a somewhat different genre. > > So maybe > import string #

Re: Python.exe is not a valid Win32 application error message

On 11/11/2015 10:21 AM, Quivis wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:34:23 +, M. Kamisato wrote: > >> I am running python on Windows XP SP3 and download version 3.5xx. I got >> the above error message and could not run the program. >> I have downloaded Python version 2.7xx and it runs fine. >> Is

Re: Python.exe is not a valid Win32 application error message

On 11/11/2015 06:13 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:34 AM, M. Kamisato via Python-list > wrote: >> I am running python on Windows XP SP3 and download version 3.5xx. I got the >> above error message and could not run the program. >> I have

Re: using binary in python

On 11/10/2015 02:29 PM, kent nyberg wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 10:20:25PM -0800, Larry Hudson via Python-list wrote: >> Your questions are somewhat difficult to answer because you misunderstand >> binary. The key is that EVERYTHING in a computer is binary. There are NO >> EXCEPTIONS, it's

Re: Puzzled

On 11/06/2015 02:36 PM, Robinson, Wendy wrote: > Ah, ok I get it now. > Thanks both! Glad you got it! Thanks for letting us know, too. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

On 11/08/2015 04:19 AM, BartC wrote: >> That elegant dynamism comes at a cost: method lookup is not a constant >> memory offset. Rather, it is a dictionary lookup. > > I've never understood why this seems to be necessary in Python. Why do > names have to be looked up? (I'm assuming this is

Re: How to get 'od' run?

On 11/11/2015 08:21 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 11/11/2015 08:04 PM, fl wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am learning python. I see a previous post has such code: >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> data = '"binääridataa"\n'.encode('utf-8

Re: How to get 'od' run?

On 11/11/2015 08:04 PM, fl wrote: > Hi, > > I am learning python. I see a previous post has such code: > > > > > >>>> data = '"binääridataa"\n'.encode('utf-8') >>>> f = open('roska.txt', 'wb') >>>> f.write(data) >17 >>>> f.close() > > The .encode methods produced a

Re: Hi

On 11/12/2015 02:32 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 11/11/2015 17:35, Cameron Houliston wrote: >> Can I have a link to use python >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> > > I usually start with www.google.co.uk. I think Windows 10 blocks Google. :) And of course the official home of Python is

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/12/2015 05:25 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/11/2015 08:25 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Tim Daneliuk >> wrote: >>> I am the author of twander (https://www.tundraware.com/Software/twander). >>> This code has run flawlessly for

Re: Trying out Kivy

On 11/13/2015 09:33 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > I tried to install pygame and PIL with pip3, but that did not find > anything. The replacement for PIL is called Pillow. I'm not sure if it's a drop-in replacement or not. If it's not, then you'd have to modify Kivy to import from Pillow.

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/13/2015 12:14 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/13/2015 12:32 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: >> Apfelkiste:Sources chris$ > > Well, I get window and when I do this: > > pack [button .b -text Hello -command exit] > > Nothing appears. > > tkinter appears borked > > I have reinstalled once

Re: Trying out Kivy

On 11/13/2015 11:30 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > On Friday 13 Nov 2015 18:21 CET, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> On 11/13/2015 09:33 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: >>> I tried to install pygame and PIL with pip3, but that did not find >>> anything. >> >> The

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

On 11/10/2015 03:03 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 10-11-15 om 00:29 schreef Ben Finney: >> >> Who is doing what to whom? The user of the library isn't doing anything >> to the library author, so what is it the library author would consent >> to? Instead, you seem to be trying to assert a *power*

Re: What meaning is of '#!python'?

On 11/14/2015 06:54 PM, fl wrote: > Hi, > > I see an example Python code has such a line at the file beginning: > > #!python > > > Is there some meaning about it? Supposed to be, yes, but the line you've pasted there wouldn't work on any system I know of.

Re: Trying out Kivy

On 11/14/2015 04:51 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > I tried to install v1.8.0 with: > pip3 install -I kivy==1.8.0 Why are you trying to install the non-current version of kivy? Did you install pygame successfully? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python.exe is not a valid Win32 application error message

On 11/11/2015 09:43 PM, Steve Hayes wrote: > That is useful to know. > > I get messages (from Glary Utilities) that some of my programs > (including Python) need to be updated, but when I've downloaded and > updated them, the update hasn't worked. Such utilities seem to cause more trouble than

Re: installer user interface glitch ?

On 11/01/2015 03:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Windows XP has now been around for twelve years. It's older than that. Release date was August 1, 2001. More than 14 years ago. My how the time flies. Though more recent versions of Windows have added features (which Python now takes advantage

Re: Guide in Deskop Application Development in Python for newbies

On 11/07/2015 07:44 AM, leonardmesi...@gmail.com wrote: > How do you start building a desktop application in python? I mean > where do I start? Besides installing python on your windows what else > do I need, and any suggestion on how do I accomplish this project. > > Right now I really want to

Re: Scipy odeint (LSODA) gives inaccurate results; same code fine in MATLAB ode15s/ode23s

On 11/06/2015 11:54 PM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > It is very hard to analyze such a problem, unless you also post the > Matlab code and plot both solutions into a single graph. Also he may have a quicker response posting to the scipy list, where scientists and mathematicians regularly use

Re: Guide in Deskop Application Development in Python for newbies

On 11/07/2015 12:15 PM, paul.hermeneu...@gmail.com wrote: > Where would you say that web2py fits into this mix > of tools? I am not familiar with it but I know it's supposed to be a lightweight framework for developing web-based sites and applications. Could be an

Re: Regular expressions

On 11/04/2015 01:57 AM, Peter Otten wrote: > and then headed for the man page. Apparently there is a subset > called "basic regular expressions": > > """> Basic vs Extended Regular Expressions >In basic regular expressions the meta-characters ?, +, {, |, (, >and ) lose their

Re: Regular expressions

On 11/03/2015 05:33 PM, rurpy--- via Python-list wrote: > I consider regexs more fundemental. One need not even be a programmer > to use them: consider grep, sed, a zillion editors, database query > languages, etc. Grep can use regular expressions (and I do so with it regularly), but it's

Re: Regular expressions

On 11/03/2015 08:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> Grep can use regular expressions (and I do so with it regularly), but >>> it's default mode is certainly not regular expressions ... >> >> Its very name indicates that its default mode most certainly is regular >> expressions. > > I don't even

Re: Detection of a specific sound

On 10/25/2015 06:17 PM, Montana Burr wrote: > I'm looking for a library that will allow Python to listen for the shriek > of a smoke alarm. Once it detects this shriek, it is to notify someone. > Ideally, specificity can be adjusted for the user's environment. For > example, I expect to need

Re: Regular expressions

On 11/02/2015 07:42 PM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2015-11-02 20:09, Seymore4Head wrote: >> How do I make a regular expression that returns true if the end of >> the line is an asterisk > > Why use a regular expression? > > if line[-1] == '*': > yep(line) > else: > nope(line) Indeed,

Re: Regular expressions

On 11/02/2015 09:23 PM, rurpy--- via Python-list wrote: > On 11/02/2015 08:51 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: >> [...] >> Indeed, sometimes Jamie Zawinski's is often quite appropriate: >> >> Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use >&g

Re: Regular expressions

On 11/02/2015 09:23 PM, rurpy--- via Python-list wrote: >> My completely unsolicited advice is that regular expressions shouldn't be >> very high on the list of things to learn. They are very useful, and very >> tricky and prone many problems that can and should be learned to be >> resolved with

Re: Puzzled

On 11/02/2015 08:52 AM, Robinson, Wendy wrote: > [cid:image001.png@01D11543.5ED11D50] Just FYI this mailing list group is tied with with a system called USENET which is plain text only, so most of us can't see your attachment. This may help you copy the text to your messages in plain text form:

Re: Puzzled

On 11/05/2015 04:10 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: > In a message of Thu, 05 Nov 2015 12:48:11 -0800, "Robinson, Wendy" writes: >> Well... I still can't get this to work. I guess I'll just uninstall it. >> It's a bummer that there's no help on basic startup like this. >> >> Wendy Robinson >> Audit

Re: teacher need help!

On 10/17/2015 05:46 PM, Storey, Geneva wrote: > I am teaching a coding class to students grades 7-12. We have been > using Python, which seems to be a perfect fit. Everything was going > great until this week when I began teaching turtle. Suddenly, of the > 13 computers that I have, 3 began

Re: Where is the menu bar for 3.5?

On 10/17/2015 09:27 PM, Peachy Keen wrote: > I am learning to code and I downloaded Python 3.5 32bit. But I can't > find the menu bar and after much frustration I uninstalled the > program. I would like to get started again so if you could assist it > would be appreciated. Python itself is in

Re: Defamation

On 10/19/2015 08:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:31 AM, gaini2002--- via Python-list > wrote: >> Please remove the page > > That page is just spam that someone sent to the newsgroup/mailing > list. You can ignore it, same as the rest of us do. > >

Re: teacher need help!

On 10/20/2015 10:25 AM, Storey, Geneva wrote: > FYI-We formatted the machines, reinstalling everything, including > Python. I works with no problems now. Confusing that this would > happen on 3 out of 13 machines. Just letting you know, all is well. > Thank you for your help! Geneva Wow that

Re: Strong typing implementation for Python

On 10/09/2015 10:26 AM, John Michael Lafayette wrote: > I would like Python to have a strong typing feature that can co-exist with > the current dynamic typing system. Currently Python is like this: > > var animal = Factory.make("dog") # okay. > var dog = Factory.make("dog") #

Re: Strong typing implementation for Python

On 10/11/2015 06:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > That's called type inference, and there's nothing innovative about Swift to > include that as a feature. Type inference is *old*. The theory behind type > inference goes back to 1958, and languages such as ML and OCaml have > included it for

Re: Strong typing implementation for Python

On 10/12/2015 07:30 AM, Bartc wrote: > On 12/10/2015 03:45, Michael Torrie wrote: >> On 10/11/2015 06:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> That's called type inference, and there's nothing innovative about Swift to >>> include that as a feature. Type inference is *o

Re: Strong typing implementation for Python

On 10/12/2015 02:47 AM, John Michael Lafayette wrote: > Now that Python has static type checking and support for IDE auto-complete > (PEP 484?), I beg you to please use it. In your standard library, in your > production code, in everywhere. I cannot type without auto-complete. > > I know that

Re: Strong typing implementation for Python

On 10/12/2015 06:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Where is the "vast amounts of noise" added to the code? Well in Java code for one. No wonder they require auto-completion. Java class-based namespaces must be a nightmare to work with. That and all the over-use of design patterns that Java

Re: Recover data over the network

On 10/09/2015 08:47 PM, Arshpreet Singh wrote: > On Friday, 9 October 2015 22:51:16 UTC+5:30, Emile van Sebille wrote: > >> without extensive clues as to the nature of the data to be recovered >> you're not going to get much further with this. > > It is mostly /home partition data on disk.

Re: Recover data over the network

On 10/09/2015 09:44 PM, William Ray Wing wrote: > I hesitate to mention this, but there _may_ be a communication > problem here. When American-English speakers refer to data recovery, > they usually are discussing reading data from a disk that has > suffered some catastrophic event, say a head

Re: (side-)effects and ...

On 07/09/2015 08:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: I thought so at first add well. It looks like the Mailman system handles the X-No-Archive and/or Archive headers. I couldn't find his name in this month's archive. Even if it respects that, there's no way that Mailman can know to respect his

Re: Readline -- cannot bind to both Ctrl-tab and tab at the same time?

On 07/09/2015 02:42 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Skip Montanaro skip.montan...@gmail.com: It makes perfect sense to me that TAB and Ctrl-TAB would generate the same keycode, as TAB is itself a control character (Ctrl-I). As the Ctrl modifier bit is effectively already set, I don't think you can

Re: beginners choice: wx or tk?

On 07/11/2015 11:39 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: I'm happy with PyQt. I haven't created standalone executable files with it, though. Do they necessarily have to be large? I would think that well-written import statements would cut down on the file size. Just import the objects you need,

Re: How to reassign the value of the variable on runtime?

On 08/27/2015 12:25 PM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: Can some please (I mean very please) explain me how do I reassign engine_object and meta_object variables, so they would store(point to) a new connection objects of my database, while other functions still would see those variables as their

Re: Why Python is not both an interpreter and a compiler?

On 08/31/2015 02:35 AM, Mahan Marwat wrote: > What I know about an interpreter and a compiler is: they both convert > source code to machine code and the only difference is, an > interpreter convert it, line by line while compiler convert the whole > source file. Now if we compile a C source file

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/03/2015 10:15 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > The only person whom I see talking about this in this thread is you > disclaiming that you're not talking about it. (And I guess Skybuck is > talking about it, but I don't see those.) I have a vague memory of Skybuck talking about globals over a year

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/03/2015 07:22 AM, t...@freenet.de wrote: > First topic: > "sharing globals between modules" > Where globals is meant as vars used throughout the app. > > This is the topic why Skybuck starts the thread. The answer to this is simple and elegant. Use a third module to store globals. Each

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/08/2015 09:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2013/10/22/citation-needed/ > > It's a wonderful read. I read this article, but I'm still uncertain to what his point actually is. It's a great review of the history of C, some batch computing, and IBM's CEO's penchant

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/04/2015 06:27 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > If you want the first one, well, there are languages like that, and > you're welcome to use those. For the latter, it's easy enough to do > something like this: > > import types > _g = types.SimpleNamespace() > > def accumulate(x): > _g.accum

Re: Trying pmw with python3: Lots of crashes!

On 09/06/2015 12:47 PM, Paulo da Silva wrote: > Do I need to go to more complex system like wxwidgets or pyside (QT)? > I looked at the last one but, from the 1st steps, it seems too complex. Before anyone can suggest toolkits to look at, what kind of GUI are you trying to build? What kind of

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/03/2015 01:05 PM, t...@freenet.de wrote: > And a compiler can surely recognize if a defined var xxx outside is > not a var yyy inside a function. At issue here is the idea of Python namespaces and how Python uses them in a consistent way with your code. The consistency is that binding of a

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/10/2015 01:27 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 09-09-15 om 19:55 schreef Steven D'Aprano: >> In fairness to the C creators, I'm sure that nobody back in the early >> seventies imagined that malware and security vulnerabilities would be as >> widespread as they have become. But still, the

Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer"

On 09/12/2015 08:22 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > You appear to have the same level of knowledge of Python internals as > the RUE has of the Python 3.3+ FSR unicode implementation. Let's have > some fun, is Python pass by value or pass by reference? It has to be > more interesting debating that

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/11/2015 11:22 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote: > I didn't learn anything from this posting, sorry ! ;) I too am not surprised. You're not here to learn, either about programming language theory, or about Python apparently. I would refer you to a good programming language theory class, but I

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/11/2015 03:50 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote: > Something which python does not seem to do currently ?! > > So that's weird. > > I will leave it at that for now. Seems to me you have a completely mistaken understanding of how variables work in Python. This is one of the reasons why I have said

Re: Python handles globals badly.

On 09/11/2015 06:11 PM, random...@fastmail.us wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015, at 20:01, Michael Torrie wrote: >> The secret to understanding the global keyword is to understand how >> Python namespaces work. The statement "a=5" does not assign a 5 to the >> b

Re: Newbie: Designer Looking to Build Graphics Editor (PS/AI)

On 10/02/2015 02:23 PM, Kenneth L wrote: > No don't tell me what to do. I joined the military 3 years ago. You > wouldn't believe the stuff I wasn't able to do before but now I am. > You can keep your advice to yourself. I wasn't asking for something > simple. I was asking for a starting point.

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