Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Six megabytes is pretty much nothing on a modern computer. I'd store
> the things as a string of "0" and "1", and then use .find (or maybe
> the in keyword) for doing the searches.
>
> This doesn't work very well if you're going to mutate the string,
> thou
"Bell, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've been looking around, but haven't found a place to download the
> md5.py module. I need it to run the dupinator.py
It's part of the standard Python distro. There is a C module that
you need along with it.
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Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > class A:
> > a = 1
> > b = A()
> > b.a += 2
> > print b.a
> > print A.a
> > Which results in
> > 3
> > 1
> >
> I don't suppose you'd care to enlighten us on what you'd regard as the
> superior outcome?
class A:
a = []
b = A()
b.appen
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Then you don't approve of inheritance? That's fine, it is your choice, but
> as far as I know, all OO languages include inheritance.
Some OO languages only implement inheritance for method calls. Class
variables don't get inherited.
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > There is a difference between what is *illegal* and what constitutes
> > a *crime*.
>
> Why thank you, you've really made my day. That's the funniest thing I've
> heard in months. Please, do tell, which brand of corn flakes was it that
> you got your
Stefan Arentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Would it be too much to ask that in a line like.
> > x = x + 1.
> > both x's would resolve to the same namespace?
> ...
> Consider changing the semantics of what you are proposing and
> think about all those Python projects that will break because the
Stefan Arentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Are you seriously saying there's lots of Python projects that would
> > break if this particular weirdness were fixed?
>
> I have no numbers of course. But, why is this a weirdness?
Do you seriously think the number is larger than zero? Do you think
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've already argued that the kludges suggested to "solve" this problem
> create worse problems than this.
The most obvious solution is to permit (or even require) the
programmer to list the instance variables as part of the class
definition. Anything not i
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There are good usage cases for the current inheritance behaviour.
Can you name one? Any code that relies on it seems extremely dangerous to me.
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Follow the logical implications of this proposed behaviour.
>
> class Game:
> current_level = 1
> # by default, games start at level one
That's bogus. Initialize the current level in the __init__ method
where it belongs.
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A basic usage case:
>
> class Paper:
> size = A4
> def __init__(self, contents):
> # it makes no sense to have class contents,
> # so contents go straight into the instance
> self.contents = contents
So add:
s
Robby Dermody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> t = 120 seconds (1st run after being fully initialized):
> list alloced: 2394620, freed: 17565, max in use: 2377056
> dict alloced: 2447968, freed: 67999, max in use: 2379969
This looks like a garden variety memory leak. I think the next thi
"Lonnie Princehouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Now, fmod(2.0, 2.0) should be 0.0. The problem? ans is getting
> assigned nan! I have stepped through it in the debugger now dozens of
> times. Either fmod is putting the wrong return value on the stack, or
> the stack is getting corrupted by s
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) writes:
> Hm, "the" fix? Why wouldn't e.g. treating augassign as shorthand for
> a source transformation (i.e., asstgt = expr becomes by simple
> text substitution asstgt = asstgt expr) be as good a fix? Then
> we could discuss what
Consider "a[f()] += 3". You d
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It also allows you to do something like this:
>
> class ExpertGame(Game):
> current_level = 100
> and then use ExpertGame anywhere you would have used Game with no problems.
Well, let's say you set, hmm, current_score = 100 instead of current_lev
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Next you get some performance gain by using gmpy to handle the long int
> > arithmetic,
>
> Then whatever happens next will be my own stupid fault for prematurely
> optimising code.
Huh? There's nothing premature about using gmpy if you need bett
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But do you want x += y to work for immutable objects as well? Then
> __iadd__ cannot be a statement, because x can't be modified in place.
It never occurred to me that immutable objects could implement __iadd__.
If they can, I'm puzzled as to why.
>
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The thing is, the library documentation that Xah Lee is complaining
> about is a *reference document*. It says so right in the title:
> "Python Library Reference". As such, it makes lousy tutorial
> documentation.
I'm not sure which particular library Xah L
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > It never occurred to me that immutable objects could implement __iadd__.
> > If they can, I'm puzzled as to why.
> I'm surprised that it never occurred to you that people might
> want to do something like x = 1; x += 1 in Python,
But I wouldn't ex
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> To my knowledge the PSF isn't doing anything about including the
> documentation with their distribution, so they shouldn't care about
> the licenses. Wanting to bundle a good tutorial for everything in
> the library might be on the list, but the licenses on
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > It's only -because- of those licenses that there's any reason not to
> > bundle.
>
> Actually, there are other reasons, just as there are reasons besides
> licensing for not simply including third party libraries into the
> standard library.
I'm not talk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> I can't imagine NOT getting enthusiastic and stimulated by reading Van
> Roy and Hariri's book -- it IS quite as good and readable as SICP.
It's been on my want-to-read list for a long time. I have the
downloaded draft edition (from before the print edi
"Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It's a great book - I cetainly owe it the better part of my thesis
> about multi level specification for functional languages. If you want
> to understand type-systems, its a great comprehensive read.
So do I really want to understand type systems?
aum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> To me, wxPython is like a 12-cylinder Hummer, ...
> Whereas PyFLTK feels more like an average suburban 4-door sedan
Interesting. What would Tkinter be at that car dealership? What
about PyGTK?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> gmpy users able to download and build from sourceforge's cvs are
> encouraged to test the current CVS version.
Oh cool, I wondered whether any gmpy maintenance was still going on.
I'll see if I can give the new version a try.
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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I suspect your best bet might be to write a mini-language using
> Python, and get your users to use that. You will take a small
> performance hit, but security will be very much improved.
>
> What do others think?
That is the only approach that makes
"vinjvinj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No. I was hoping to leverage the work done for restricted pythonscript
> by zope at:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Control_Panel/Products/PythonScripts/Help/PythonScript.py
How does Pythonscript deal with
xxx = 'x' * 10
as a memory DOS attack?
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"dcrespo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>>hex(255)[2:]
> 'ff'
'%x'%255 is preferable since the format of hex() output can vary. Try
hex(33**33).
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Alex Stapleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> People like Python as a whole usually. It's not like C++ or PHP or
> anything where it's generally usable and occasionally pisses you off.
As somebody once said about Lisp, "you can feel the bits between your toes".
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Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Try hex(33**33).
>
> You're usually smarter than this, or am I missing some joke?
>
> >>> hex(33*33)
> '0x441'
You used only one * (multiplication), I used two *'s (exponentiation).
>>> hex(33**33)
'0x5857366DCE0162CB5DDCD1BF0FC7C03A6438304
"Raymond Hettinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thread-safety has nothing to do with preserving entropy or guarding
> against attack. All of the entropy in an MT sequence is contained in
> the seed (upto 624 bytes) and that entropy is preserved through all
> subsequent calls.
I think the concer
Is there a good reason to not define iter1+iter2 to be the same as
itertools.chain(iter1, iter2)?
Examples:
# all lines in a collection of files, like perl <>
all_lines = file1 + file2 + file3
candidate_primes = (2,) + (1+2*i for i in itertools.count(1))
# candidate_primes is 2,3,5,7
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> > Is there a good reason to not define iter1+iter2 to be the same as
> If you mean for *ALL* built-in types, such as generators, lists, files,
> dicts, etc, etc -- I'm not so sure.
Yes, that's what I mean.
> Right now, if I mistakenly try to add a list
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > How does a useless generator expression make it more generic?
>
> xrange is only picked as an example. I may be newbie on python but not
> that dumb if all I want is a list of integer(sorted) that meets certain
> criteria.
>
> takewhile(p, (x fo
"ej" writes:
> I have often wondered how to get at other internals, such as the name of
> the current function, file, line number I am in? The arguments to the
> current function, etc.
It's messy. Look at sys.exc_info() and go from there.
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"ej" writes:
> for key in dir(traceback_):
> print "traceback_.%s =" % key, eval("traceback_.%s" % key)
Don't use eval for this. Use getattr(traceback_, key).
> traceback_.tb_frame =
> traceback_.tb_lasti = 18
> traceback_.tb_lineno = 6
> traceback_.tb_next = None
Yeah. As /F men
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Imagine that ints could be changed in place. Then you could do this:
>
> x = 0
> x += 1
No nothing like that. Nothing stops you from having multiple int
objects with the same value. Lists, for example, are mutable, but
x = [0,1]
x += [2,3]
doe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> As the author of gmpy, I'd like to point out that the speed difference
> isn't all that large, if all you're doing is ordinary arithmetic -- a
> few times at most (it can be better if you need some of GMP's
> functionality which gmpy exposes, such as prim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Python's native longs use Karatsuba multiplication with is O(n^1.585).
> My early version of DecInt (BigDecimal) uses 4-way Toom-Cook ...
Wow, cool! Thanks.
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jena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> l=[lambda:x.upper() for x in ['a','b','c']]
> then l[0]() returns 'C', i think, it should be 'A'
Yeah, this is Python late binding, a standard thing to get confused
over. You want:
l = [lambda x=x: x.upper() for x in ['a', 'b', 'c']]
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James Colannino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Basically, I just want to know how from within a script I can get
> information about the python interpreter that I'm running. Thanks in
> advance.
import sys
print sys.version
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"The Eternal Squire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Without copyright, how could one possibly earn a living writing a
> novel?
This guy seems to be doing ok: http://craphound.com
His publishers are the only ones allowed to sell his novels commercially,
but you can download them all and print the
Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> We could then have something like the following.
>
> a = 5
> b = a
> a @= 7
> b ==> would result in 7.
Ouch! :-(((
Can't you live with
a = [5]
b = a
a[0] = 7
so b[0] is now 7.
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Here's a silly recursive version (don't really use, it's too slow):
def csum(s):
if len(s)==0: return s
return csum(s[:-1]) + [sum(s)]
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Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > put in a html page as the value of a hidden variable. And when i get
> > the string again, i want to cast it back as list of tuples:...
> This is a serious security risk, as you can't trust the data not to do
> arbitrary things to your system when eval'ed.
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> dNewDataFields['CODE'] = dOldDataFields['CODEDATA']
> dNewDataFields['DATE'] = dOldDataFields['DATE']
> if dOldDataFields['CONTACTTYPE'] == 2:
> dNewDataFields['CONTACT'] = dOldDataFields['FIRSTCONTACT']
> else:
> dNewDataFields['CONTACT'] = dOl
Carl Waldbieser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know of any good examples for writing client side code
> to upload files over a secure FTP connection? I am referring to
> FTPS, *not* SFTP, which I found out the hard way are two different
> things. I am not really all that familiar with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> Peano's axioms are perfectly abstract, as far as I recall. Russell and
> Whitehead did try to construct naturals from sets (defining, e.g., '5'
> as "the set of all sets with five items"), but that was before the
> inherent contradictions of set theory w
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On the other hand, so long as the price is lower than the cost of
> recreating the software for someone, then it's better for society as
> a whole if it exists at all.
I don't think that's correct. Having nothing can be better than
having something, becaus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Björn Lindström) writes:
> As I said before, I think you're confusing the (in Python pretty
> non-existent) concept of encapsulation with Python's immutable types,
> which are immutable because the implementation demands it. (A fact I
> hope will disappear at some point.)
What i
"Giovanni Bajo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > However, when you prevent a client from adding an attribute, you're
> > not merely making your objects immutable, you're making them
> > static.
No I don't believe that. If an object is immutable, then
obj.serialize() should return the same string e
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There isn't a standard serialize method in Python, so I don't know how
> you want to define it.
Well, consider pickle, for example.
> I can think of perfectly reasonable definitions
> of serialize where obj.serialize() won't always return the same string
>
Ed Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think free software/open source has existed long enough and with
> enough varied licenses (GPL, LGPL, modified LGPL (see wxWidgets), BSD,
> X11, MIT, Apache, etc.) that we'd basically know without question if
> less restritive licenses (like BSD) were causi
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Those two statements say the same thing. Part of the Python philosphy,
> from "import this", is that there should only be one obvious way to do
> it. By enabling that part of Python's philosphy, you're automatically
> limiting python to not allow other - spe
Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes. If it's not going to be used, then there's not much point.
> Practicality beats purity, and all that.
Geez man, "practicality beats purity" only means that if maintaining
purity of something is impractical, you can judiciously let purity
slide. It do
Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Fine. Allow me to rephrase. Development is primarily motivated by
> practical needs and guided by notions of purity.
That's bogus; if there was a discrepancy someone noticed and had to
work around, there's already been a practical failure, just not a
seve
Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >I can't think of a single use case for the addition (+) operator
> >working where either of the operands happens to be the number
> >0x15f1ef02d9f0c2297e37d44236d8e8ddde4a34c96a8200561de00492cb94b82 (a
> >random number I just got out of /dev/urando
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The new intended use is as an immutable sequence type, not a
> "lightweight C struct". The new name to denote this new use -
> following in the footsteps of the set type - is "frozenlist". The
> changes to the implementation would be adding any non-mutating
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If you want me to agree that the GPL puts more conditions on distribution
> than the MIT/BSD licence, then I'll happily agree. If you want me to
> describe that as a "restrictive licence", then I refuse.
With the GPL, you get a slight restriction from
Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> With the GPL, you get a slight restriction from the GPL author (you're
> not allowed to redistribute the binary unless you offer source).
Forgot to add: and under the GPL, you must not threaten to have the
goverment c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> For those of us not following this thread closely, can you identify cases
> where tuples are mutable, not hashable or can't be used as dictionary keys?
> I've never encountered any such cases.
t = ([1,2], [3,4])
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"adam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm not 100% sure whether this answers your problem, but I would ignore
> getting a special TLS module and just concentrate on the ftp side of
> the protocol. If your connection to your ftp server must be in TLS, you
> could modify you socket module similar to h
"Paddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would consider
> t = ([1,2], [3,4])
> to be assigning a tuple with two list elements to t.
> The inner lists will be mutable but I did not know you could change the
> outer tuple and still have the same tuple object.
Whether t is mutable is a question of d
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Which means you can't create a verifier which will verify all
> programs. Is there a reason to believe that you can't have a verifier
> with three possible outcomes: Correct, Incorrect, and I don't know,
> and it is always correct in doing so? Note that "I d
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Which means you can't create a verifier which will verify all
> >> programs. Is there a reason to believe that you can't have a verifier
> >> with three possible outcomes: Correct, Incorrect, and I don't know,
> >> and it is always correct in doing so? No
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't know what the state of the art is, but I suspect it
> will be a long, long time before it is as easy as running "import
> mymodule; verify(mymodule)".
Some pretty significant pieces of software have been formally verified
to meet their formal s
Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> > Ok, these are nice aphorisms with some truth. But I had to think of
> > the German excuse "Wer Ordnung hält ist nur zu Faul zum Suchen - ein
> > Genie überblickt das Chaos." ("Those who try to keep things tidy are
> > just to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> A is oldstyle -- a wart existing for backwards compatibility.
I think it's time for "from __future__ import newclasses" since
I hate having to type "class A(object):" instead of "class A:"
all over the place.
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Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It's a draft, but it contains useful information. Also, Larry Rosen's
> book _Open Source Licensing_ is quite helpful (and free!).
>
> http://rosenlaw.com/oslbook.htm
That is the guy who claims it is impossible to release anything into
the public domain
"mojosam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I will be doing the bulk of the coding on my own time, because I need
> to be able to take these tools with me when I change employers.
> However, I'm sure that in the course of using these tools, I will need
> to spend time on the job debugging or tweaking t
"Andrew Koenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Definitely not. The most recent change to the copyright laws made
> > works of music recorded to fullfill a contract "work for hire" by
> > default.
>
> If there's a contract -- i.e., a written agreement, then why does it matter?
Music recordings of
Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is that why the CC Public Domain Dedication has the subtitle
> "Copyright-Only Dedication (based on United States law) or Public Domain
> Certification"?
>
> Lessig isn't sure. E.g. http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/001066.shtml
Hmm, interesting, thanks
Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Lessig isn't sure. E.g. http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/001066.shtml
> Hmm, interesting, thanks.
Bah, the CC link from there leads to a Zope crash (at least right now):
http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-
Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is the current URL:
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
Thanks, yeah, I remember seeing that, which is what made me say that
CC recognized PD dedications (at least in the US--it's unreasonable to
expect to account for every weird law
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > if I owned a company making profit on software sales (sale =!
> > support) you sign a death wish for using GPL
>
> Apart from Microsoft, and possibly Quark (makers of Quark Express desktop
> packaging software), and perhaps a few console game develop
Kinsley Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In my version, I end up with hugely long integers, which have obviously
> not be constrained into the 4-byte unsigned longs that TEA is expecting.
Yeah, Python promotes to long int now. The simplest way to do the
32-bit arithmetic you need is probably
"Franz Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> is there a nicer looking version of the "Dive into Python" PDF?
> The one from diveintopython.org looks horrible, much worse than the
> web-version; also the images aren't where they should be.
The one there looks ok to me, though I'm not sure what it'
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When it was suggested that a facility for doing this be added to the
> language, I asked for a use case for it. Nobodies come up with a
> reason for placing such restriction on the client yet. If you've got a
> use case, I'd be interested in hearing it.
I s
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Then probably the best licence to use is just to follow the lead of
> Python. For that sort of small program of limited value, I put something
> like this in the code:
>
> Copyright (c) 2005 Steven D'Aprano.
> Released under the same license as used by
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But a programming language (or UI) is not just a collection of syntax
> and and interfaces - it's an implementation. You need to keep in mind
> that "practicality beats purity".
An awful lot of the time in this newsgroup, "practicality beats
purity" transl
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Definitely not. The most recent change to the copyright laws made
> >> works of music recorded to fullfill a contract "work for hire" by
> >> default
> The default applies if the contract doesn't say who owns the
> work. This was a move by the recordi
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Letting the class author declare whether or not the client can add
> attributes is wrong for the same reasons - and in the same places -
> that letting the class author declare that the client shouldn't be
> allowed to access specific attributes, and so on,
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > An awful lot of the time in this newsgroup, "practicality beats
> > purity" translates as "the programmer can just be a lazy slob".
>
> You post that as if it were a bad thing.
Yes. The idea of using a program that someone else wrote, is that
they do th
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I see that Python supports the sha-1. But I need to make sha value in
> big files to (swap file, iso-s, etc.). Possible that file size more
> than 2 GB, so I cannot read as string...
> How to get the sha value of a file ?
Use the sha.update method
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Lots of people seem to want immutable instances. Nobody seems to have
> a use case for them.
What is the use case for immutable strings? Why shouldn't strings be
mutable like they are in Scheme?
Generally if I know I don't plan to mutate something, I'd wa
Donn Cave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Right. After devoting a lengthy post to the defense of
> tuples as a structured type, I have to admit that they're
> not a very good one ...
> Another theme that occasionally comes up in advice from the
> learned has been "use a class".
There's a historic
Donn Cave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > There's a historical issue too: when tuples started first being
> > used this way in Python, classes had not yet been introduced.
>
> When was that, old-timer?
It was before my time, but I have the impression that classes arrived
with 1.3 or somewhere aro
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> fwiw, the tuple and class implementation were both checked into
> CVS in october 1990.
>
> maybe he's talking about ABC?
No I think I'm just plain mistaken. For some reason I thought classes
came much later. It was way before my time so I defer to
"Beau Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> JOB: Telecommute Python Programmer - IMMEDIATE NEED
> Please see www.superiorss.com/jobs.htm
I hope this person is not trying to spam web BBS's, wikis, etc.
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Sybren Stuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > No, it is not merely a shortcut. It often allows one to avoid
> > polluting the namespace with a completely superfluous function name,
> > thus reducing code smell.
>
> Which can also be done by using inner functions.
Inner functions with no names?
François Pinard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Let me repeat this for the umpteenth time: You do not have to learn
> > LaTeX to contribute to docs. Submit plain text. One of us with
> > some LaTeX knowledge will do the markup. Content is the hard part.
> > Markup is nothing, so don't let it be
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Defining a function, and giving it a name,
> isn't "polluting the namespace", any more than assigning
> sub-expressions to temporary variables is polluting the namespace.
Nor any less.
> Why use temporary variables when all you have to do is make your
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Sounds like a subject matter expert is needed here, not a garden variety
> tech writer or Python programmer. Documentation of esoteric stuff requires,
> well, esoteric knowledge.
Yes, that's what I mean; coding a library module for an esoteric
function requires that sa
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Or, better still, by an accomplished writer who has access to the
> code's author. This was indeed my experience in writing the docs for
> previously undocumented modules. The author was happy to help me by
> answering questions, and this did make the docs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Redhat's Fedora project seems to have a fairly well developed
> program for recruiting and encouraging writers.
Frankly I haven't been that impressed with the Fedora docs I've seen.
The LDP docs have generally been better. Maybe I'm looking at the
wrong Fedora docs. F
"BartlebyScrivener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>The solution is clear: the distro maintainers should require that all
> code contributions must come with good docs.
> Well, that might be asking a bit too much of the programmers, who
> perhaps don't exactly enjoy mucking about in the lowlands o
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Björn Lindström) writes:
> Actually using tabs for eight spaces and then filling out with spaces to
> the correct indentation is the convention for Emacs Lisp. Of course,
> since everyone coding Emacs Lisp does it with the same editor, it's no
> problem.
The variable `indent-tab
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I think there is, for python. Not that I agree with it. The language
> doesn't prevent you from using the short one-liner style but the idioms
> prefer the line by line(and one single op/action per line) style.
Are you serious?!! You're saying idiomatic Python prefers
François Pinard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > You may suggest that I should process my e-mail more promptly.
>
> No, I'm not suggesting you how to work, no more that I would accept
> that you force me into working your way. If any of us wants to force
> the other to speak through robots, that o
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