Steve Hannah wrote:
> I know that this is an older thread, but I came across it on Nabble.com.
> Just wanted add some updated info on Walter's observations about Dataface
> (http://fas.sfu.ca/dataface) . It is much further along in development now
> and it does support authentication now.
>
Than
This is the first real python program I have ever worked on. What I
want to do is:
1) count identical records in a cvs file
2) create a new file with quantities instead duplicate records
3) open the new file in ms-excel
For example, I will start with a file like:
1001
1012
1008
1012
1001
1001
an
Thanks to all who replied.
As I mentioned, I am new to python. I will have to look some of this
stuff, but that is fine. I am trying to learn.
I am sorry I forgot to mention, the platform is windows-xp. I am doing
this for a client who has a small warehouse operation. Personally, I
usually use de
I want my python app to read a file from a pocketpc mobile device, if
possible.
Assume I am running windows-xp, and activesync 3.8. Assume I have
"exported" the file.
As I understand it, exported files are not really on the PC, even after
syncing. You have to use your stylus on the PDA to get to
I assume that wxWidgets can not be used if all you have is mod-python?
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I am considering python, instead of php, for web-application
development. I often see mod_python.criticisized as being borked,
broken, or just plain sucking.
Any truth to any of that?
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Shreekar Patel wrote:
> No, I've been using mod_python for a long time, and I haven't run in to
> any problems. In fact I use python server pages for my web development,
> which is much faster than python cgi scripts.
>
Researching further, it looks to me like mod_python may only work well
on ap
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> One of the biggest problems is that a lot of ISPs still use Apache 1.3
> and so only mod_python 2.7.X is available on those platforms.
Yes, I think that is a big problem. I don't think django or turbogears
will work with apache 1.3. And it seems to me that practically
I don't know if this is a fair comparison or not. Any comments
appreciated.
- Python is more readable, and more general purpose
- PHP has awful backward compatibility
- PHP has a lower barrier to entry
- Most inexpensive web-hosters support PHP, but not Python
- PHP has far more pre-writen scripts
Luis M. González wrote:
> the new crop of web frameworks (Django, Turbo Gears, etc...).
>
> > - Newer versions of mod_python require Apache 2.0, which few hosters
> > have
>
> You can also get alder versions of mod_python. What's the problem?
The problem is that the system requirements for django
Larry Bates wrote:
> I'd be surprised if there was more demand for PHP developers
> than Python developers.
Prepare to be surprised. From what I have seen demand for PHP
developers is off-the-scale higher than demand for Python developers.
If you search the job boards, then -IMO- it is only fai
Bjoern Schliessmann wrote:
> walterbyrd wrote:
>
> > - PHP has a lower barrier to entry
>
> Which kind of barrier do you mean -- syntax, availability, ...?
>
Putting php into a web-site is as easy as throwing some php code into a
my html file, and maybe giving the file a php
Michael Torrie wrote:
> Absolutely false. Most of my standalone, command-line scripts for
> manipulating my unix users in LDAP are written in PHP, although we're
> rewriting them in python.
>
I would say that you are one of very few who use PHP for sys-admin
tasks - and even you have switched t
Some think it will.
Up untill now, Java has never been standard across different versions
of Linux and Unix. Some think that is one reason that some developers
have avoided Java in favor of Python. Now that Java has been GPL'd that
might change.
IMO: it won't make much difference. But I don't rea
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> walterbyrd a écrit :
> You mean there are web hosting companies that are still using Apache
> 1.3.x ?
>
Practically all web-hosters still use Apache 1.3.x. Certainly all of
the lower priced hosters.
> C'mon, let's be serious. I just or
Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> - php sucks :)
> I think that it's such a braindead
> language which turns people into braindead programmers :)
>
>
In fairness, a lot of very serious work is done in PHP. I think yahoo
and other major web-sites use php.
I have issues with PHP as well. They will break
James Cunningham wrote:
> Nope. It disproves your assertion that "certainly all of the lower
> priced hosters" use Apache 1.3.
Okay, where can I get Python and Apache 2.X for $10 a year?
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Tim Chase wrote:
> I can't say I've come across any hosting places that serve up PHP
> for $10/yr either...the closest I've found is about $3.50/mo
> (which also provides Python CGI).
dollar-hosting.net offers php5 and python 2.3, for $10 a year.
the-protagonist.net has PHP 4.4 hosting for $10
If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
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>
> Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're looking
> to hire a few more, in fact.
>
I'm surprised. It seems I never see listings for python developers.
I didn't mean any disrespect. I think python is a great language. It
just doesn't seem like there is much demand
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> someone just posted this
>
> > Site Perl Python
> > Hotjobs 2756 655
> > Monster >1000 317
> > Dice 4828 803
>
>From what I have seen, most of listings are not for python developers.
Rather they list python as a "nice t
Max M wrote:
> walterbyrd skrev:
> > If so, I doubt there are many.
> >
> > I wonder why that is?
>
> Because you are ignorant?
In this particular subject: yes.
My research of this subject was very limited, just looked at the major
job boards, and compared demand for
I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop
web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas
PHP does not.
Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to
recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python.
I am not trying to suggest a
For example:
- If I want to use Django, I need either FastCGI or Apache
2.X/mod_python 3.x
- if I want to use TurboGears, I need Python 2.4: not 2.3 and not 2.5
- I have just learned that some hosters have T&Cs that forbid long
running processes. I am not sure exactly what that means. Except I
u
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web
> applications though.
>
I have to ask: why is that? Because Python is more readable? Because
Python runs faster? Is Python more stable for large scale applications?
Does this apply when using Python with
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>
> modularity, modularity, and modularity.
>
Can't PHP be made to be just as modular?
As a matter of popular practise, I suppose that is not done. I would
think that it could be.
My big problem with PHP is the lack of backward compatibility. My big
problem with Python is
Thanks everybody. I will sort all of this out, but right now my head is
spinning.
Is there some book, or other reference, that explains of this? I was
thinking about "Python for Dummies." The "Think like a Computer
Scientist" book, and "Dive into Python" book don't seem to explain
Python's object
I have noticed that there is also pygtk-web project, I suppose that is
what you use for the web?
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I mean other than sysadmins, programmers, and web-site developers?
I have heard of some DBAs who use a lot of python.
I suppose some scientists. I think python is used in bioinformatics. I
think some math and physics people use python.
I suppose some people use python to learn "programming" in g
On Jun 5, 3:01 am, Maria R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tend to agree with some earlier poster that if you use Python you
> are, in a sense, a programmer :o)
>
Yes, in a sense. But, in another sense, that is sort of like saying
that people who post on message boards are "writers."
I should have
The maker of the skeletonz python based CMS, amonge other things:
http://orangoo.com/skeletonz/
One of the few hosts that really provides good support for django:
http://asmallorange.com/
The python component-based data mining software:
http://www.ailab.si/orange
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On Jun 16, 8:48 pm, ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm interested in starting to learn python. I'm looking for any
> reccomendations or advice that I can use to get started. Looking
> forward to any help you can give!
>
> Thanks!
>
> -e
Here are two very well regarded online books - bot
I barely even know how to program in python. I downloaded this
easygui, and I was writing useful gui application within a few
minutes. I can hardly believe it.
Any other noobs here, you may want to give this a try.
http://www.ferg.org/easygui/
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Python seems to have a log of ways to do collections of arbitrary
objects: lists, tuples, dictionaries. But what if I want a collection
of non-arbitrary objects? A list of records, or something like that?
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On Jun 21, 5:38 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> That's a flippant response, but I don't understand the question.
Everybody here seems to have about the same response: "why would you
ever want to do that?"
Maybe it's something that doesn't "need" to be done, but it seems to
me that wo
On Jun 22, 11:43 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Can you help us understand, by showing a use case that would in your
> estimation be improved by the feature you're describing?
>
Suppose you are sequentially processing a list with a routine that
expects every item to be of a certain t
On Jun 24, 10:31 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Especially since variables in python do not have to be explicitly
> > assigned
>
> ???
I have probably expressed this incorrectly. What I meant was:
>>> a = [1,2,3]
>>> b = a
>>> a[1] = 'spam'
Here, I have changed b, withou
> > On Jun 24, 10:31 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You perhaps don't know this, but most statically typed languages have
> the notion of either pointers or references, that can cause similar -
> and usually worse - problems.
>
Yes, but those languages also have the not
On Jun 26, 8:23 am, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> walterbyrda écrit :
>
> >> You do program carefully, don't you ?-)
>
> > I try. But things like typos are a normal part a life.
>
> So are they in any language. I fail to see much difference here.
>
For example: if I mis-type a variable name in C,
>
> Did you try to sort a tuple ?
>
> >>> (1, "aaa").sort()
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "", line 1, in ?
> AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'sort'
I can do this:
>>> x = (3,2,1)
>>> x = tuple(sorted(list(x)))
Which, although senseless, effectively sorts the x t
My guess is that it would, but I can find no mention of python in the
intuit developers site. I can find some references to PHP and Perl,
but no Python.
I looks to me like Intuit develops have a strong preference for visual-
basic, then c/c++, then delphi.
I find it just a little bit surprising,
Thanks to Greg and Mike.
I am not looking for specifics right now. I was just wondering if
there was a practical way to do use python to integrate with intuit
apps.
Apparently, there is.
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Lets suppose, I want a listing of what hardware and software is
installed on my
windows box. Can I do that with Python?
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If I wanted to build a website with forums, news feeds, galleries,
event calander, document managment, etc. I do so in Joomla easily.
But, I would perfer to use django/python, if that would be at all
practical.
I suppose I could put python scripts into django, if those scripts
exist.
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On May 2, 5:38 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're mixing apples, fishes, and cars here. Joomla is a content
> management system, Django a framework and Python a language.
Yes, I know, but they are all ways to create a website. If I wanted a
site which included galleries,
On May 3, 11:08 am, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> I'm not sure integrating CakePHP stuff into something like Joomla or
> Drupal will be that easy.
I don't know either. But, there are projects called "jake" and "drake"
which are specifically geared toward intergrating cakephp with joomla
and drupa
On May 3, 7:49 pm, John Draper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I admit, Joomla is easy to use I admit, but very easy to vector into
> a root exploit.
I had no idea. Thank you for posting that.
One thing I really like about joomla is the 1600+ extensions. But, I
don't need those kinds of security
I learned to program with Pascal, way back when. Went into software
development for a while, then went into systems admin. Have programmed
in several languages, just learning Python.
Some things I find odd:
1) 5/-2 == -3?
2) list assignment handling, pointing two vars to the same list:
With sim
Thanx for all the replies, I may be slowly getting it. But, can
anybody explain this?
>>> a = 'hello'
>>> b = 'hello'
>>> a is b
True
>>> a = 'hello there'
>>> b = 'hello there'
>>> a is b
False
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Nevermind my previous question. I found the answer in "Learning
Python"
>>
Python internally caches and reuses short strings as an optimization,
there really is just a single string, 'spam', in memory, shared by S1
and S2; hence, the is identity test reports a true result. To trigger
the normal be
> He's thinking in Pascal, not C.
>
Actually, I have programmed in many languages. I just first learned in
Pascal.
For me, going from Pascal, to basic,c,cobol,fortran . . was not that
difficult. Python, however, feels strange.
As crazy as this may sound: Python, in some ways, reminds me of
asse
>
> You started this thread with a list of conceptual problems you were
> having. Are they now cleared up?
>
Yes. Thank you, and everybody else. I'm still learning, and still
getting used to Python. But, I understand the concepts that I was
having trouble with before.
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With PHP, libraries, apps, etc. to do basic CRUD are everywhere. Ajax
and non-Ajax solutions abound.
With Python, finding such library, or apps. seems to be much more
difficult to find.
I thought django might be a good way, but I can not seem to get an
answer on that board.
I would like to put t
I don't know exactly what the first non-space character is. I know the
first non-space character will be * or an alphanumeric character.
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Python's lack of an EOF character is giving me a hard time.
I've tried:
-
s = f.readline()
while s:
.
.
s = f.readline()
and
---
s = f.readline()
while s != ''
.
.
s = f.readline()
---
In both cases, the loop ends as soon it encounters an empty line in
the file, i.e.
xx
The strings start with whitespace, and have a '*' or an alphanumeric
character. I need to know how many whitespace characters exist at the
beginning of the string.
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How do I test for the end of a file, in such a why that python can
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On May 16, 10:12 pm, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2007-05-17, walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This has already been explained to you by at least 5 different
> people -- complete with examples.
Sorry about dual posting. I am using google groups.
I could not find a version of Python that runs on a Blackberrry.
I'm just amazed. A fairly popular platform, and no Python
implementation?
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On May 18, 2:17 pm, Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Python is Portable - C is probably the only more portable language
Small quibble: IMO, although C runs on many platforms, I don't think C
code is typically portable between platorms. Unless you are doing
something very simple. If you wr
On May 18, 8:28 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Surely the fact that Python is available on so many platforms implies
> that C is a fairly portable language.
Unless it's the same C code, I don't see how that means anything. If I
write an app on Windows with C, and I rewrite the same
On May 18, 10:24 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
>
> I think that Ruby, which roughly speaking sits somewhere between Python
> and Perl, is closer to Python than Perl is.
I don't know much about Ruby, but it does not seem to be commonly used
for anything other than web-development. I
On May 19, 7:23 am, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The reason you can do this with Python is precisely because the
> developers have ironed out the wrinkles between platforms by putting the
> requisite conditionals in the C source.
But that is my point. With Python, the language itself
On May 19, 9:36 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
>
> From these numbers it would seem that Ruby (and PHP) aren't really more
> web-specific than Perl (and Python).
>
Excellent find, nice work. However, if it is found that there are "X"
many PHP programs running payroll applications, do
On Jul 25, 2:12 pm, Carsten Haese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, CherryPy's requirements are very
> minimal.
In terms of memory and CPU, maybe. But I think that *requires* apache
2.x and a very recent version of mod_python. By web-hosting
standards, those are very steep requirements.
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On Jul 25, 2:10 pm, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can tell you exactly why PHP
> is so popular: it acts as an extension of HTML and is syntactically
> similar to Perl.
>
Although, that can lead to problems, if you're not careful:
Perl:
my $x = 5 + 9000 || 1; # $x is 9005
PHP:
$x = 5 + 900
On Jul 22, 12:17 am, Bruno Desthuilliers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Either you are a casual user with 101 web
> development skills trying to set up your personal home page
But this, sort of, brings me back to my original point. Nobody starts
out being advanced. There are substantial difference
On Jul 25, 3:55 pm, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff McNeil wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I also find that PHP programmers are usually more
> > plentiful than their Python counterparts. When thinking of staffing
> > an organization, it's common to target a skill set that's cheaper to
>
"Once you start down the Dark path, forever will it dominate your
desiny. Consume you, it will."
- Yoda
I'm fairly new to web-development, and I'm trying out different
technologies. Some people wonder why PHP is so popular, when the
language is flawed in so many ways. To me, it's obvious: it's bec
On Jul 25, 12:40 pm, Carsten Haese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What exactly could Python learn from PHP?
Remember, I'm a noob, I'm not trolling.
When I posted "Python" I meant the Python web-developement world. In
particular, python frameworks, like CherryPy, have requirements that
are not real
This is made with a php5 framework called qcodo.
http://examples.qcodo.com/examples/dynamic/inline_editing.php
With qcodo it's easy to make grids that are sortable and inline
editable. Qcodo grids work from the database - not an xml table or
array. Qcodo handles complex data relations, and fairly
On Aug 28, 1:31 pm, Gerardo Herzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> walterbyrd wrote:
> The one who make that table sorteable is AJAX. Not php. The php part is
> kind of trivial (so it would be `trivial' in python too). It just reads
> some data and format it in an html tabl
I understand that Python has them, but PHP doesn't.
I think that is because mod_php is built into apache, but mod_python
is not usually in apache. If mod_python was built into apache, would
python still have long running processes (LRP)?
Do LRPs have to do with a Python interpreter running all t
According to hostmonster's list of features, they do support python.
Does anybody have any experience with hostmonster?
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I should have mentioned, I am thinking about using a python framework,
either django, turbogears, or pylons.
I think these frameworks require a newer version of python, maybe 2.4.
Also, I think some of them require a newer version of Apache - 2.0 or
better. I also think these python frameworks all
This according to SDTimes:
http://www.sdtimes.com/article/story-20071215-13.html
They don't specifically mention Python. But, I think Python qualifies
as a dynamic language.
"1. Dynamic languages are on the rise. We went into 2007 knowing that
Ruby would be a popular topic, thanks to Ruby on Rai
I don't know much php either, but running a php app seems straight
forward enough.
Python seems to always use some sort of development environment vs
production environment scheme. For development, you are supposed to
run a local browser and load 127.0.0.1:5000 - or something like that.
Then to ru
Thanks for all that posts. This thread has been helpful.
I have seen a lot of posts about the importance of decoupling the
deployment technologies from the framework technologies. This is how I
have done that in PHP. I develop on my home box. When I get something
working the way I want, I ftp thos
I am running cygwin on xp.
Much to my annoyance, I can not cut-and-paste from a windows app to
the python prompt. I think I could do this with putty, but I do not
have the permissions to install putty on my xp box.
Can I load a file into the python interactive environment? For
example I have a f
IMO: breaking backward compatibility is a big deal, and should only be
done when it is seriously needed.
Also, IMO, most of, if not all, of the changes being made in 3.0 are
debatable, at best. I can not think of anything that is being changed
that was really a "show stopper" anyway.
At best, I a
On Dec 7, 12:35 pm, Andreas Waldenburger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Plze. Python 3 is shipping now, and so is 2.x, where x > 5. Python
> 2 is going to be around for quite some time. What is everybody's
> problem?
A possible, potential, problem, could arise if you were using python
2.x, but
On Dec 17, 10:00 am, r wrote:
> When writing
> procedural code how would you like it if vars inside functions were
> automatically global. Your code with be blowing chunks in no time.
That was my point - I consider python's ordinary use of lexical
scoping to be a good thing, and I was wondering w
On Dec 17, 9:04 am, rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
> Yes. It's called Object Oriented Programming.
I think you mean it's *Python* Object Oriented Programming. I am not
sure that every other OO language works like that.
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On Dec 17, 10:17 am, "Richard Brodie" wrote:
> Not really, self is a formal parameter to the function. It would be
> a strange language where a function's own arguments weren't in scope.
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On Dec 17, 8:41 am, prueba...@latinmail.com wrote:
> If scoping worked as you want, how, pray tell, would you define object
> attributes?- Hide quoted text -
I suppose you could do this:
class className():
varname = "whatever"
def fname(self, varname):
. . . .
Instead of having v
For a language as well structured as Python, this seems somewhat
sloppy, and inconsistant. Or is there some good reason for this?
Here is what I mean:
def a():
x = 99
print x
def b():
print x
a()
b() # raises an exception because x is not defined.
However in the methods are within
I have not worked with Python enough to really know. But, it seems to
me that more I look at python 3.0, the more I wonder if it isn't a
step backwards.
To me, it seems that this:
print "%s=%d" % ('this',99)
Is much easier, and faster, to type, and is also easier to read and
understand. It also
On Dec 19, 9:13 am, "Giampaolo Rodola'" wrote:
> You can use the old 2.x syntax also in Python 3.x:
Yeah, but it's deprecated, and - as I understand it - may be removed
completely in future versions. Also, in the future, if you are working
with code from another developer, it's likely that develo
Will Django be primarily using Python 3.0 one year from now? Two years
from now?
Any WAGs?
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On Dec 19, 12:43 pm, excord80 wrote:
> Also, I like having only *one* special symbol (`%') to worry
> about in my strings instead of two (`{' and `}').
>
Actually the new way has, at least three special symbols: ( '{', '}' ,
'.') as well as the method name "format" so
"%s=%s" % (k, v) for k, v
On Dec 19, 10:25 am, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Personally the new string formatter is sorely needed in Python.
Really? You know, it's funny, but when I read problems that people
have with python, I don't remember seeing that. Loads of people
complain about the white space issue. Some people comp
On Dec 19, 10:55 am, bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote:
> Regarding the speed of Python3 programs,
> they will go faster
"The net result of the 3.0 generalizations is that Python 3.0 runs the
pystone benchmark around 10% slower than Python 2.5. "
http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html
>
On Dec 20, 4:34 pm, r wrote:
> Walter,
>
> Would you be kind enough to translate this code to the new syntax?
I am sorry, but I just don't know the new syntax well enough. I am not
sure if the examples that I have posted, so far, are correct.
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On Dec 20, 5:05 pm, Roy Smith
> He got really hung up on the % syntax.
I guess it's good to know that there is, at least, one person in the
world doesn't like the % formatting. As least the move was not
entirely pointless.
But, you must admit, of all the things people complain about with
Python
On Dec 21, 12:28 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
wrote:
> Strange enough,
> no one seems to complain about PHP or Ruby's performances...
A few years back, there was a certain amount of chest thumping, when
python/django easily beat ror in a benchmark test. Now that ruby is
faster, I guess speed is no big
I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language, and
that python has surpassed perl in popularity, but I am not seeing it.
>From what I have seen:
- in unix/linux sysadmin, perl is far more popular than python,
windows sysadmins typically don't use either.
- in web-development, p
On Dec 22, 10:13 am, r wrote:
> Since the
> advent of Ruby(Python closet competitor), Python's hold on this niche
> is slipping.
About the only place I ever hear of ruby being used is web development
with RoR. When it comes to web development, it seems to me that ruby
(because of rails) is far mo
On Dec 22, 11:42 am, "Ellinghaus, Lance"
wrote:
> Yes, Ruby has taken some of the popularity out of Python, but they are
> also hitting different markets.
Do you mean different markets within web development, or do you mean
ruby is used mostly for web-dev, while python is used for other stuff?
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On Dec 22, 11:50 am, Bruno Desthuilliers
wrote:
> > When it comes to web development, it seems to me that ruby
> > (because of rails) is far more popular
>
> s/popular/hyped/
I'm not so sure. Go to dice.com, enter "ruby rails" no quotes, search
all words, job titles only - I got 86 hits, and ano
On Dec 21, 12:28 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
wrote:
> > I can see where the new formatting might be helpful in some cases.
> > But, I am not sure it's worth the cost.
>
> Err... _Which_ cost exactly ?
Loss of backward compatibility, mainly.
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