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Just a gentle reminder that any problems seen with or changes desired to the python.org website need to be documented on its issue tracker at https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues/. Key players working on it likely are not aware of discussions here. -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 11Dec2014 00:19, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: - the AA menu buttons are all dysfunctional, being purely javascript; it would be better if the menu was styled display=none by default, and made visible by javascript With Javascript enabled, the AA menu buttons don't seem to be displayed at all, so I don't understand what the purpose of those is. The point is more that with javascript disabled, the buttons are displayed and nonfunctional. There are also the disappointingly common placeholder characters in various place, for example to the left of each item in the Socialize menu. These look like this: li class=tier-2 element-1 role=treeitema href= http://plus.google.com/+Python;span aria-hidden=true class=icon-google-plus/spanGoogle+/a/li I don't know what you mean. Are you saying that you see unrendered HTML to the left of the items? All I see are icons. Along with javascript, the NoScript extension blocks various untrusted objects. Those icons come from a loadable font, which was blocked. If I allow the font to load I get icons. You can imagine the abuse a font load can be used for, such as I can't unsee that! icon characters or better still, character transliteration for malicious purpose (we rely on the visual appearance of glyphs to be what we expect). Cheers, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au If people were meant to run around naked, they'd have been born that way. - Rico the Masher, bphei...@ucsvax.ucs.umass.edu -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: - the AA menu buttons are all dysfunctional, being purely javascript; it would be better if the menu was styled display=none by default, and made visible by javascript With Javascript enabled, the AA menu buttons don't seem to be displayed at all, so I don't understand what the purpose of those is. There are also the disappointingly common placeholder characters in various place, for example to the left of each item in the Socialize menu. These look like this: li class=tier-2 element-1 role=treeitema href= http://plus.google.com/+Python;span aria-hidden=true class=icon-google-plus/spanGoogle+/a/li I don't know what you mean. Are you saying that you see unrendered HTML to the left of the items? All I see are icons. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Rustom Mody wrote: On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:13:27 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: But most of all, I despise the menus that pop up covering what I am trying to read the page just because I happened to move the mouse over a button. I loathe the practice of stuffing content into menus instead of using links to individual web pages. And I hold nothing but scorn for the fact that the main page has a slideshow. I thought I'd argue against this (and the general tenor of these complaints) Tried to click on the in what looked like a console session and for the last 5 minutes I am staring at Loading console ... with the L in a different color... Pretty... but not exactly what I expect in an interactive console. Lest it seem like I am agreeing with these complaints, I'd like to say: Either python goes this way or the way of Fortran and Cobol. You mean if Cobol had a shiny but disfunctional website we'd be using that instead of Python? That python.org is fear-driven design? OK, let's make an appearance on Myspace then... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC+5:30, Peter Otten wrote: Rustom Mody wrote: On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:13:27 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: But most of all, I despise the menus that pop up covering what I am trying to read the page just because I happened to move the mouse over a button. I loathe the practice of stuffing content into menus instead of using links to individual web pages. And I hold nothing but scorn for the fact that the main page has a slideshow. I thought I'd argue against this (and the general tenor of these complaints) Tried to click on the in what looked like a console session and for the last 5 minutes I am staring at Loading console ... with the L in a different color... Pretty... but not exactly what I expect in an interactive console. Lest it seem like I am agreeing with these complaints, I'd like to say: Either python goes this way or the way of Fortran and Cobol. You mean if Cobol had a shiny but disfunctional website we'd be using that instead of Python? That python.org is fear-driven design? Among other things I mean... 1. 'Dysfunctional' can mean one of a. Intrinsically terrible idea b. Teething troubles c. Some linear combination of the above d. More likely non-linear 2. In our field, success correlates poorly with technical excellence. For examples you may consider a. A certain large Redmond company b. JS vs python on (???) metric [This must be somebody-or-others' law -- dunno who. Sturgeon's law is the closest I can get] 3. The rheostat can slide on many points between fear-driven and passion/innovation-driven design. OK, let's make an appearance on Myspace then... Heh! [Also see 3 above] -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: Pretty... but not exactly what I expect in an interactive console. I have to agree although the console works for me. But shame on the site maintainers though, the interactive console comes up with Python 3.3.6 instead of current 3.4.2 (and IPython 2.10, also not the latest). -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Lest it seem like I am agreeing with these complaints, I'd like to say: Either python goes this way or the way of Fortran and Cobol. You mean if Cobol had a shiny but disfunctional website we'd be using that instead of Python? Why would he mean that? If !A implies !B, it does *not* follow that A implies B. Here A = shiny website and B = success. Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 12/05/2014 03:30 AM, Fetchinson responded to Steven D'Aprano's rant of: Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that it has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken, e.g.: https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content? Could you rephrase that question? The way it's worded at the moment is like going to a restaurant, ordering some food, having the plate of food put in front of you, trying to eat the food and getting nothing but air, and then having the waiter say, What makes you think there would be actual substance? And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where the metrics are like/dislike of menus, like/dislike of mouse moving, like/dislike of unexpected browser behavior, like/dislike of links, like/dislike of slide shows, etc.)? I am reminded of the quote by Edsger W. Dijkstra: Simplicity and elegance are unpopular because they require hard work and discipline to achieve and education to be appreciated. -- ~Ethan~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Fetchinson . fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that it has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken, e.g.: https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content? The page at https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/ links to it. The fact that something on the same site links to it is a good indication that there ought to be something at the other end of the link. The content that is expected to be found there can still be found at the legacy site: http://legacy.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that it has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken, e.g.: https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content? The page at https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/ links to it. The fact that something on the same site links to it is a good indication that there ought to be something at the other end of the link. I see, thanks, this was the missing piece of information, I didn't know there are links to that page. Cheers, Daniel The content that is expected to be found there can still be found at the legacy site: http://legacy.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 12/9/14, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: On 12/05/2014 03:30 AM, Fetchinson responded to Steven D'Aprano's rant of: Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that it has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken, e.g.: https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content? Could you rephrase that question? The way it's worded at the moment is like going to a restaurant, ordering some food, having the plate of food put in front of you, trying to eat the food and getting nothing but air, and then having the waiter say, What makes you think there would be actual substance? As Ian pointed out in another message in this thread there is a link on python.org that points to the above page. I did not know this. So when I read that a link is broken, to me it sounded like, hey, there isn't any content at https://python.org/some/bla/bla/bla/random/stuff which made me ask why does the OP think there should be anything. If there are no links to it, it's fine, if there is one (or more) then of course it's not fine. Apparently the case is the latter. Cheers, Daniel And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where the metrics are like/dislike of menus, like/dislike of mouse moving, like/dislike of unexpected browser behavior, like/dislike of links, like/dislike of slide shows, etc.)? I am reminded of the quote by Edsger W. Dijkstra: Simplicity and elegance are unpopular because they require hard work and discipline to achieve and education to be appreciated. -- ~Ethan~ -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Fetchinson . fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: As Ian pointed out in another message in this thread there is a link on python.org that points to the above page. I did not know this. So when I read that a link is broken, to me it sounded like, hey, there isn't any content at https://python.org/some/bla/bla/bla/random/stuff which made me ask why does the OP think there should be anything. If there are no links to it, it's fine, if there is one (or more) then of course it's not fine. Apparently the case is the latter. I believe this is a bug, not a design flaw. There've been a few others like it (PEPs with missing images, for instance), and the best thing to do is raise an issue on the github project page: https://github.com/python/pythondotorg ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fetchinson . wrote: So when I read that a link is broken, to me it sounded like, hey, there isn't any content at https://python.org/some/bla/bla/bla/random/stuff which made me ask why does the OP think there should be anything. You should have the courtesy of assuming I'm not a total idiot. Why would I think that https://python.org/some/bla/bla/bla/random/stuff would do anything but give a 404? Even YouTube commentators know that you can't try random stuff into a URL and expect a useful page to appear. -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Fetchinson . fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: As Ian pointed out in another message in this thread there is a link on python.org that points to the above page. I did not know this. So when I read that a link is broken, to me it sounded like, hey, there isn't any content at https://python.org/some/bla/bla/bla/random/stuff which made me ask why does the OP think there should be anything. If there are no links to it, it's fine, if there is one (or more) then of course it's not fine. Apparently the case is the latter. I believe this is a bug, not a design flaw. There've been a few others like it (PEPs with missing images, for instance), and the best thing to do is raise an issue on the github project page: https://github.com/python/pythondotorg The flaw is that when you get a 404, it claims that the maintainers have been notified, but they apparently don't do anything about it. They should be fixing broken links without waiting for somebody to raise an issue. Otherwise, what's the point of being notified? It's actually worse than that. By telling the end user that the maintainers have been notified, they *discourage* people from raising an issue. Why raise an issue for something that is already being attended too? -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: The flaw is that when you get a 404, it claims that the maintainers have been notified, but they apparently don't do anything about it. They should be fixing broken links without waiting for somebody to raise an issue. Otherwise, what's the point of being notified? It's actually worse than that. By telling the end user that the maintainers have been notified, they *discourage* people from raising an issue. Why raise an issue for something that is already being attended too? Okay, *that* is a design flaw. Though personally, I never believe those maintainers have been notified pages. I mean, anyone can go looking at their server error logs, but how many people *get notified*?? And when does it *ever* result in prompt fixing of errors? So even if this is the one site on the entire internet where that's true, I'd be inclined to drop that text, because it's pretty much useless. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: The flaw is that when you get a 404, it claims that the maintainers have been notified, but they apparently don't do anything about it. They should be fixing broken links without waiting for somebody to raise an issue. Otherwise, what's the point of being notified? It's actually worse than that. By telling the end user that the maintainers have been notified, they *discourage* people from raising an issue. Why raise an issue for something that is already being attended too? Okay, *that* is a design flaw. Though personally, I never believe those maintainers have been notified pages. I mean, anyone can go looking at their server error logs, but how many people *get notified*?? And when does it *ever* result in prompt fixing of errors? So even if this is the one site on the entire internet where that's true, I'd be inclined to drop that text, because it's pretty much useless. It seems to me that text can't be useless. Either it is useful (because it conveys correct information) or it is harmful (because it keeps visitors from submitting an explicit bug report). -- Christoph M. Becker -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Christoph M. Becker cmbecke...@arcor.de wrote: So even if this is the one site on the entire internet where that's true, I'd be inclined to drop that text, because it's pretty much useless. It seems to me that text can't be useless. Either it is useful (because it conveys correct information) or it is harmful (because it keeps visitors from submitting an explicit bug report). I should have said useless at best. If this is the one site on the internet where this is actually true, people like me will still ignore it because there are just so many where it's not the case, and so the words are useless. Carrying correct information that nobody believes is not truly useful. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Christoph M. Becker cmbecke...@arcor.de writes: It seems to me that text can't be useless. Either it is useful (because it conveys correct information) or it is harmful (because it keeps visitors from submitting an explicit bug report). In the latter case, if the text is harmful, that doesn't disqualify it from also being useless. -- \ “If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of | `\ danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, | _o__) Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 05Dec2014 18:05, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:43 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: It requires Javascript or else basic functionality fails. In what way does basic functionality fail? I just tried loading the page with Javascript disabled and it seemed fine. Hmm. Loading https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2/descrintro/ without javascript: - at the top right the AA, Socialize and Sign In labels have menu dropdowns exposed below them, downless covering... something. - the AA menu buttons are all dysfunctional, being purely javascript; it would be better if the menu was styled display=none by default, and made visible by javascript There are also the disappointingly common placeholder characters in various place, for example to the left of each item in the Socialize menu. These look like this: li class=tier-2 element-1 role=treeitema href=http://plus.google.com/+Python;span aria-hidden=true class=icon-google-plus/spanGoogle+/a/li so I'm suppose this is some failed style sheet. [...] It looks like this may NoScript blocking a font load directive. [...] Yup. Cheers, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au The batsmen out there should know something about the game. - Michael Holding, Aus vs West Indies commentator -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:13:27 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: But most of all, I despise the menus that pop up covering what I am trying to read the page just because I happened to move the mouse over a button. I loathe the practice of stuffing content into menus instead of using links to individual web pages. And I hold nothing but scorn for the fact that the main page has a slideshow. I thought I'd argue against this (and the general tenor of these complaints) Tried to click on the in what looked like a console session and for the last 5 minutes I am staring at Loading console ... with the L in a different color... Pretty... but not exactly what I expect in an interactive console. Lest it seem like I am agreeing with these complaints, I'd like to say: Either python goes this way or the way of Fortran and Cobol. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Peter Otten wrote: Did you ever hit the Socialize button? Are you eager to see the latest tweets when you are reading a PEP? Do you run away screaming from a page where nothing moves without you hitting a button? Do you appreciate the choice between ten or so links to the documentation? I dislike the new design of python.org. The formatting of long text essays get completely mangled towards the bottom of the page, e.g.: https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2/descrintro Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that it has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken, e.g.: https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py It requires Javascript or else basic functionality fails. With Javascript, basic functionality fails too, but in a much more entertaining and exciting way, as in I'm trying to click a button on that menu, why does the screen keep refreshing and hiding the menu before I can click?. I'm not terribly impressed by the design or the colour scheme, it's way too web 2.0, i.e. simultaneously pretentious and dumbed down. But most of all, I despise the menus that pop up covering what I am trying to read the page just because I happened to move the mouse over a button. I loathe the practice of stuffing content into menus instead of using links to individual web pages. And I hold nothing but scorn for the fact that the main page has a slideshow. But none of that even gets close to the spitting fury I feel when I see the Socialise links. With the possible exception of the link to http://irc.freenode.net/ which at least has the vague excuse that there is a #python channel, not that a visitor to the python.org website has any way to learn this. Oh, I've just discovered that when you click in the search box, a perfectly serviceable search box, it automatically expands by about 20%, just because. Urge to kill rising... You can probably guess my opinion -- konqueror just crashed on the PEP index and for some reason I'm more annoyed about the page than about the browser. PS: Is there a twitter.com something that I can block to trade black friday and cyber monkey sales for a box with a good old error message? I love konquorer as a file manager, but I've come to the conclusion that Firefox is the absolute worst web browser available, except for all the rest. Firefox has a wonderful plugin, No Script, which lets you block Javascript and other nonsense on a per-site basis. I love me my No Script. Browsing the web is so painful without it. -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Did you ever hit the Socialize button? No, but it doesn't bother me. Are you eager to see the latest tweets when you are reading a PEP? No, but it doesn't bother me either. You can easily block twitter related things by a number of ways, firewalls, /etc/hosts, etc. Do you run away screaming from a page where nothing moves without you hitting a button? Do you appreciate the choice between ten or so links to the documentation? No, but it doesn't bother me at all. I dislike the new design of python.org. I actually love it a lot! Big improvement over the previous site I think. The formatting of long text essays get completely mangled towards the bottom of the page, e.g.: https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2/descrintro It doesn't look mangled to me (firefox 22). Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that it has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken, e.g.: https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content? It requires Javascript or else basic functionality fails. With Javascript, basic functionality fails too, but in a much more entertaining and exciting way, as in I'm trying to click a button on that menu, why does the screen keep refreshing and hiding the menu before I can click?. I never encountered screen refreshings that I did not trigger myself. I'm not terribly impressed by the design or the colour scheme, it's way too web 2.0, i.e. simultaneously pretentious and dumbed down. I think it looks great! We agree to disagree I guess; see more below. But most of all, I despise the menus that pop up covering what I am trying to read the page just because I happened to move the mouse over a button. I loathe the practice of stuffing content into menus instead of using links to individual web pages. And I hold nothing but scorn for the fact that the main page has a slideshow. And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where the metrics are like/dislike of menus, like/dislike of mouse moving, like/dislike of unexpected browser behavior, like/dislike of links, like/dislike of slide shows, etc.)? But none of that even gets close to the spitting fury I feel when I see the Socialise links. With the possible exception of the link to http://irc.freenode.net/ which at least has the vague excuse that there is a #python channel, not that a visitor to the python.org website has any way to learn this. And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where now the metrics are like/dislike of social links, social websites, etc.)? Oh, I've just discovered that when you click in the search box, a perfectly serviceable search box, it automatically expands by about 20%, just because. And that is a problem because? Urge to kill rising... I didn't see the disclaimer No living thing was harmed while typing this email. below your message so I'm kinda worried! Cheers, Daniel You can probably guess my opinion -- konqueror just crashed on the PEP index and for some reason I'm more annoyed about the page than about the browser. PS: Is there a twitter.com something that I can block to trade black friday and cyber monkey sales for a box with a good old error message? I love konquorer as a file manager, but I've come to the conclusion that Firefox is the absolute worst web browser available, except for all the rest. Firefox has a wonderful plugin, No Script, which lets you block Javascript and other nonsense on a per-site basis. I love me my No Script. Browsing the web is so painful without it. -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Dec 5, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Peter Otten wrote: Did you ever hit the Socialize button? Are you eager to see the latest tweets when you are reading a PEP? Do you run away screaming from a page where nothing moves without you hitting a button? Do you appreciate the choice between ten or so links to the documentation? I dislike the new design of python.org. The formatting of long text essays get completely mangled towards the bottom of the page, e.g.: https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2/descrintro I’m not sure what you are referring to here. That page looks fine all the way to the bottom of the footer on my system, looking at it with either Firefox or Safari. -Bill -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Fetchinson . fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: The formatting of long text essays get completely mangled towards the bottom of the page, e.g.: https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2/descrintro It doesn't look mangled to me (firefox 22). That's quite old at this point, considering that the current extended support release is 31 and the previous one was 24. You should consider upgrading for security fixes if nothing else. As to the subject at hand, the page also looks fine to me in Chrome 39. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:43 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: It requires Javascript or else basic functionality fails. In what way does basic functionality fail? I just tried loading the page with Javascript disabled and it seemed fine. With Javascript, basic functionality fails too, but in a much more entertaining and exciting way, as in I'm trying to click a button on that menu, why does the screen keep refreshing and hiding the menu before I can click?. I've not encountered this myself. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Did you ever hit the Socialize button? Are you eager to see the latest tweets when you are reading a PEP? Do you run away screaming from a page where nothing moves without you hitting a button? Do you appreciate the choice between ten or so links to the documentation? You can probably guess my opinion -- konqueror just crashed on the PEP index and for some reason I'm more annoyed about the page than about the browser. PS: Is there a twitter.com something that I can block to trade black friday and cyber monkey sales for a box with a good old error message? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 12/04/2014 09:09 AM, Peter Otten wrote: Did you ever hit the Socialize button? Are you eager to see the latest tweets when you are reading a PEP? Do you run away screaming from a page where nothing moves without you hitting a button? Do you appreciate the choice between ten or so links to the documentation? You can probably guess my opinion -- konqueror just crashed on the PEP index and for some reason I'm more annoyed about the page than about the browser. Visually, it's nice; functionally... well, I just had to use google to find the CLA form, because the built-in search box couldn't (and yes, it's on the site). -- ~Ethan~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Peter Otten __pete...@web.de writes: Did you ever hit the Socialize button? Are you eager to see the latest tweets when you are reading a PEP? Do you run away screaming from a page where nothing moves without you hitting a button? Do you appreciate the choice between ten or so links to the documentation? You can probably guess my opinion -- konqueror just crashed on the PEP index and for some reason I'm more annoyed about the page than about the browser. PS: Is there a twitter.com something that I can block to trade black friday and cyber monkey sales for a box with a good old error message? I see that pythondotorg accepts pull requests and allows to report issues. https://github.com/python/pythondotorg -- Akira -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Do you like the current design of python.org?
Peter Otten __pete...@web.de writes: Did you ever hit the Socialize button? No. Are you eager to see the latest tweets when you are reading a PEP? No. Do you run away screaming from a page where nothing moves without you hitting a button? No, I like pages where I am in control. Do you appreciate the choice between ten or so links to the documentation? Maybe, I have bookmarked my route to the documentation - and usually do not see the choices. But, when I need to update my bookmark, I might like the choices. ... PS: Is there a twitter.com something that I can block to trade black friday and cyber monkey sales for a box with a good old error message? I have used a firewall to reject connections to intrusive sites (like facebook and Google). Under Linux, I used lsof -i to find out to which sites connections are made without my knowledge. I then used http://www.heise.de/netze/tools/whois/; to find out to which organisations those sites belong and banned them with firewall rules when those connections did not seem to satisfy a justified aim. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
