Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-24 Thread Chris Withers
On 30/07/2012 03:31, Rodrick Brown wrote: Hence the reason why no one will seriously look at Python for none glue work or simple web apps. When it comes to designing complex applications that need to exploit large multicore systems Python just isn't an option. Its still not possible to be a

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-24 Thread lipska the kat
On 23/08/12 22:46, Chris Withers wrote: On 30/07/2012 03:31, Rodrick Brown wrote: Hence the reason why no one will seriously look at Python for none glue work or simple web apps. When it comes to designing complex applications that need to exploit large multicore systems Python just isn't an

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-24 Thread Roy Smith
On Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:01:00 PM UTC-4, lipska the kat wrote: How is python used in the real world. songza.com is pretty close to 100% python. The only significant non-python code on the server side are mongodb, haproxy, and nginx. What sized projects are people involved with We've got

RE: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-03 Thread Prasad, Ramit
I'm in stuck record mode here, but one of the things I really enjoy about reading here is the way things do go off topic. IMHO makes for a far more interesting experience. YMMV. +1 Ramit This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-03 Thread Stefan Behnel
Prasad, Ramit, 03.08.2012 08:51: I'm in stuck record mode here, but one of the things I really enjoy about reading here is the way things do go off topic. IMHO makes for a far more interesting experience. YMMV. +1 Ramit This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
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Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-02 Thread lipska the kat
On 02/08/12 04:10, David wrote: On 01/08/2012, Stefan Behnelstefan...@behnel.de wrote: Would you mind taking this slightly off-topic discussion off the list? I always strive to stay on-topic. In fact immediately this thread went off topic, 4 messages back, I did try to go off list, but got

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-01 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 01/08/2012 00:31, David wrote: On 01/08/2012, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 31/07/12 14:52, David wrote: [1] as in beer [2] for research purposes There's one (as in 1 above) in the pump for you. Great, more beer = better research = \o/\o/\o/ But, pump sounds a bit extreme

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-01 Thread lipska the kat
On 01/08/12 09:06, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 01/08/2012 00:31, David wrote: On 01/08/2012, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 31/07/12 14:52, David wrote: [1] as in beer [2] for research purposes There's one (as in 1 above) in the pump for you. Great, more beer = better research =

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-01 Thread David
On 01/08/2012, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 01/08/12 09:06, Mark Lawrence wrote: You complete ignoramus, if it gets poured in advance that's no good to anybody as it'll go flat. Has to stay in the pump until you're ready to drink it from the glass. Don't you know anything about

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-01 Thread Stefan Behnel
David, 01.08.2012 13:59: On 01/08/2012, lipska the kat wrote: On 01/08/12 09:06, Mark Lawrence wrote: You complete ignoramus, if it gets poured in advance that's no good to anybody as it'll go flat. Has to stay in the pump until you're ready to drink it from the glass. Don't you know

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-08-01 Thread David
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Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-31 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:45:51 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: And at that level, you aren't going to write your app in Python anyway, and not because of the GIL. (These microcontrollers are unlikely to have multiple cores -- why the hell

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-31 Thread Roy Smith
In article 50177b4d$0$29867$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Do they consider that perhaps there are alternatives to threads? There's basically two reasons people use threads. First is because it's a convenient way to multiplex

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-31 Thread David
On 30/07/2012, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 30/07/12 14:06, Roy Smith wrote: These days, I'm working on a fairly large web application (songza.com). We are very sorry to say that due to licensing constraints we cannot allow access to Songza for listeners located outside of the

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-31 Thread lipska the kat
On 31/07/12 14:52, David wrote: On 30/07/2012, lipska the katlip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 30/07/12 14:06, Roy Smith wrote: These days, I'm working on a fairly large web application (songza.com). We are very sorry to say that due to licensing constraints we cannot allow access to Songza for

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-31 Thread David
On 01/08/2012, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 31/07/12 14:52, David wrote: [1] as in beer [2] for research purposes There's one (as in 1 above) in the pump for you. Great, more beer = better research = \o/\o/\o/ But, pump sounds a bit extreme .. I usually sip contentedly from a

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Stefan Behnel
Rodrick Brown, 30.07.2012 02:12: On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:07 PM, lipska the kat wrote: I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the moment. Python is a glue language much like Perl was 10 years ago. Until the GIL is fixed

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Still, you may still get away with the above statement by providing a sufficiently narrow definition of standalone. By my definition, there isn't much standalone code out there. Most code I know interfaces with a couple

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Tim Chase
On 07/29/12 21:31, Rodrick Brown wrote: Its still not possible to be a pure Python developer and find gainful employment today. I'm not sure where you get your facts, but unless you define pure in a super-narrow way, it's just flat-out wrong. I've been employed doing primarily Python for the

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.2717.1343634778.4697.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Python's an excellent glue language, but it's also fine for huge applications. Yes, it can't multithread across cores if you use CPython and are CPU-bound. That's actually a pretty specific

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread lipska the kat
On 30/07/12 14:06, Roy Smith wrote: In articlemailman.2717.1343634778.4697.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelicoros...@gmail.com wrote: Python's an excellent glue language, but it's also fine for huge applications. Yes, it can't multithread across cores if you use CPython and are

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-07-30, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Still, you may still get away with the above statement by providing a sufficiently narrow definition of standalone. By my definition, there isn't much standalone code out there. Most code I know interfaces with a couple of external

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread rusi
On Jul 29, 9:01 pm, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Pythoners Firstly, thanks to those on the tutor list who answered my questions. I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the moment. My most recent experience

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Emile van Sebille
On 7/29/2012 5:12 PM Rodrick Brown said... Until the GIL is fixed I doubt anyone will seriously look at Python as an option for large enterprise standalone application development. See openERP -- http://www.openerp.com/ -- they've been actively converting SAP accounts and have recently

RE: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Prasad, Ramit
I work in financials and the majority of our apps are developed in C++ and Java yet all the tools that startup, deploy and conduct rigorous unit testing are implemented in Python or Shell scripts that wrap Python scripts. Python definitely has its place in the enterprise however not so much

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread alex23
On Jul 30, 12:31 pm, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: Its still not possible to be a pure Python developer and find gainful employment today. I have been working as a pure Python developer for six+ years now (in that the bulk of my coding is done in Python, with some interface

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:09:38 +, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-07-30, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Still, you may still get away with the above statement by providing a sufficiently narrow definition of standalone. By my definition, there isn't much standalone code out there.

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Paul Rubin
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: And at that level, you aren't going to write your app in Python anyway, and not because of the GIL. (These microcontrollers are unlikely to have multiple cores -- why the hell does your microwave oven need two cores?)

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-30 Thread Stefan Behnel
Paul Rubin, 31.07.2012 06:45: A real compiler (PyPy) will help Python performance far more than multi-core currently can. That's too general a statement to be meaningful. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread lipska the kat
Pythoners Firstly, thanks to those on the tutor list who answered my questions. I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the moment. My most recent experience is with Java. The last project I was involved with included

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Michael Hrivnak
http://www.djangosites.org/ Instagram, Pinterest, Washington Post, and The Onion all use djangoto run their websites. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1906795/what-are-some-famous-websites-built-in-django Django is of course a very highly-regarded web framework written in python, but there

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 29/07/2012 17:01, lipska the kat wrote: Pythoners Firstly, thanks to those on the tutor list who answered my questions. I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the moment. My most recent experience is with Java. The last

counting source lines (was: Is Python a commercial proposition ?)

2012-07-29 Thread Stefan Behnel
lipska the kat, 29.07.2012 18:01: My most recent experience is with Java. The last project I was involved with included 6775 java source files containing 1,145,785 lines of code. How do I know this? because I managed to cobble together a python script that walks the source tree and counts the

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Brandon Schaffer
Another common use is to create automated regression testing frameworks, and other automation tools. I see posting for python developers for this type of thing all the time on stack overflow careers. On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 29/07/2012

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Tim Chase
On 07/29/12 12:13, Michael Hrivnak wrote: - Operating system installer: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda - Software repository management: http://pulpproject.org/ - Software package installation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center - Cloud computing:

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Andrew Cooper
On 29/07/2012 17:01, lipska the kat wrote: Pythoners Firstly, thanks to those on the tutor list who answered my questions. I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the moment. My most recent experience is with Java.

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Stefan Behnel
Tim Chase, 29.07.2012 20:28: On 07/29/12 12:13, Michael Hrivnak wrote: - Operating system installer: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda - Software repository management: http://pulpproject.org/ - Software package installation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center - Cloud

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/29/2012 12:01 PM, lipska the kat wrote: I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the moment. Ever heard of a little startup called Google? It was built with C, Java, ... and Python. I believe Youtube is scripted in

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Bernd Waterkamp
Michael Hrivnak schrieb: Python is used frequently on the server side of web applications for sites of all sizes, with the UI generally being done in javascript. Two large companies with lots of python code are dropbox and youtube:

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Aled Evans
On Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:01:00 PM UTC+1, lipska the kat wrote: Pythoners Firstly, thanks to those on the tutor list who answered my questions. I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the moment. My

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Paul van der Linden
Scripting is one of the strong sides of python. I use it al the time to quickly write a script to analyze something or automate. That is probably the reason it is used to glue (script) things together and is embedded in some programs (like Maya and such). At the company we're using python and

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
Michael Hrivnak wrote: Python is used frequently on the server side of web applications for sites of all sizes, with the UI generally being done in javascript. There is no javascript. -- PointedEars Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. --

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Rodrick Brown
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:07 PM, lipska the kat lip...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Pythoners Firstly, thanks to those on the tutor list who answered my questions. I'm trying to understand where Python fits into the set of commonly available, commercially used languages of the

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Andrew Berg
On 7/29/2012 7:12 PM, Rodrick Brown wrote: Python is a glue language much like Perl was 10 years ago. Until the GIL is fixed I doubt anyone will seriously look at Python as an option for large enterprise standalone application development. The GIL is neither a bug to be fixed nor an inherent

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Andrew Berg bahamutzero8...@gmail.comwrote: On 7/29/2012 7:12 PM, Rodrick Brown wrote: Python is a glue language much like Perl was 10 years ago. Until the GIL is fixed I doubt anyone will seriously look at Python as an option for large enterprise

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Rodrick Brown
On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Andrew Berg bahamutzero8...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/29/2012 7:12 PM, Rodrick Brown wrote: Python is a glue language much like Perl was 10 years ago. Until the GIL is fixed I doubt anyone will seriously look at Python as an option for large enterprise standalone

Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ?

2012-07-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com writes: Hence the reason why no one will seriously look at Python for none glue work or simple web apps. When it comes to designing complex applications that need to exploit large multicore systems Python just isn't an option. That's wrong, I've run