Re: List spam

2011-08-20 Thread Ben Finney
Javier nos...@nospam.com writes: You will lose a lot of people asking/answering interesting stuff, and maybe eventually the list will die. I don't think it would die, but the chances are greater that it would become insular and further disconnected from the Python community, and hence far less

Re: List spam

2011-08-20 Thread George
I find python group is filled with spam mails, is there any way to filter these mails before sending it to the group. I can't see this situation with similar user group, such as the jsr. George. On 20/08/2011 07:07, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Javier nos...@nospam.com writes:

Re: List spam

2011-08-19 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:23:49 PM Steven D'Aprano did opine: gene heskett wrote: But I'd like to return the question. What's wrong with nntp? The sheer volume of traffic eats 99% of an ISP's bandwidth. I doubt that very much, particularly if the ISP drops the binary newsgroups.

Re: List spam

2011-08-19 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:16:50 PM Jason Staudenmayer did opine: [...] I do know it is ironic that I forgot to stop the footer for the one reply. It's not my choice to add it but I was able to find a way around that work policy for list emails. I'm a strong opponent of dropping any

Re: List spam

2011-08-19 Thread Javier
You will lose a lot of people asking/answering interesting stuff, and maybe eventually the list will die. Me (like many people with little free time) seldom post in blogs/forums/mailing lists where I need to register. gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That is asking the user to take

List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Jason Staudenmayer
I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? Jason ..·º -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Tim Golden
On 18/08/2011 13:58, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? I haven't seen any significant quantity of spam on the list for ages.

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Philip Semanchuk
On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? This has been discussed on the list a number of times before,

RE: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Jason Staudenmayer
On 18/08/2011 13:58, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? I haven't seen any significant quantity of spam on the list for

RE: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Jason Staudenmayer
On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? This has been discussed on the list a number of times

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 09:51:04 AM Philip Semanchuk did opine: On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Ghodmode
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Tim Golden m...@timgolden.me.uk wrote: On 18/08/2011 13:58, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list?

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Ghodmode
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Philip Semanchuk phi...@semanchuk.com wrote: On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread rantingrick
On Aug 18, 8:39 am, Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com wrote: [snip irony] Adventure Aquarium is America's Most Touchable Aquarium! Featuring the ALL NEW Stingray Beach Club Where you can touch and hand feed the gentle stingrays To buy and print your tickets at home visit  

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Alain Ketterlin
Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com writes: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? I'm using nntp to read this newsgroup (through an academic

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Alain Ketterlin
Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com writes: [...] Make an effort to curb the spam even if it means killing the newsgroup availability. Choose mailman or Google Groups, or another single solution. Make it members only, but allow anyone to register with an automated confirmation email and a

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:37:37 +0800 Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: Make an effort to curb the spam even if it means killing the newsgroup availability. Choose mailman or Google Groups, or another single solution. Make it members only, but allow anyone to register with an automated

RE: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Jason Staudenmayer
On Aug 18, 8:39 am, Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com wrote: [snip irony] Adventure Aquarium is America's Most Touchable Aquarium! Featuring the ALL NEW Stingray Beach Club Where you can touch and hand feed the gentle stingrays To buy and print your tickets at home

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:08:00 PM Ghodmode did opine: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Philip Semanchuk phi...@semanchuk.com wrote: On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Ghodmode
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Alain Ketterlin al...@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr wrote: Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com writes: [...] Make an effort to curb the spam even if it means killing the newsgroup availability.  Choose mailman or Google Groups, or another single solution.  Make it

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:08:38 PM Alain Ketterlin did opine: Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com writes: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:14:39 PM Alain Ketterlin did opine: Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com writes: [...] Make an effort to curb the spam even if it means killing the newsgroup availability. Choose mailman or Google Groups, or another single solution. Make it members only,

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Ned Deily
In article cak--mtqoq0scvofzfzfcd7jf9n1yjcpqyjcrdxgtxxpdoyc...@mail.gmail.com, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: Newsgroups aren't inherently spam-free. They're filtered. At least that's the case with Gmane (http://gmane.org/spam.php). My own ISP doesn't provide a news server and,

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Alain Ketterlin
gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com writes: Or save work and find a public nntp server (or setup one, or ask your provider), and use a news reader to follow the list (even thunderbird can do this). No spam, no need to store messages on your machine, auto-purge after a configurable delay, etc.

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Peter Pearson
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:58:04 +0200, Alain Ketterlin wrote: Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com writes: [...] Make an effort to curb the spam even if it means killing the newsgroup availability. Choose mailman or Google Groups, or another single solution. Make it members only, but allow anyone

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Peter Pearson
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:15:59 -0400, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: [snip] What is wrong with the mailing list only approach? In the mailing-list approach, how do I search for prior discussions on a subject? (I'm not particularly opposed to the mailing list, I'm just an NNTP follower

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Philip Semanchuk
On Aug 18, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:15:59 -0400, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: [snip] What is wrong with the mailing list only approach? In the mailing-list approach, how do I search for prior discussions on a subject? (I'm not particularly

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Ghodmode
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: 4. gmane (various formats)   http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general   a.  gmane.comp.python.general (non-Usenet group via NNTP) All of the above allow both reading and posting.  gmane does spam filtering so, if you read

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: Make an effort to curb the spam even if it means killing the newsgroup availability.  Choose mailman or Google Groups, or another single solution.  Make it members only, but allow anyone to register with an automated

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Alec Taylor
5963 unread emails. Thanks python-list + other mailing-lists! My recommendation to you is to setup a different account for your mailing-lists. Alternatively setup some mail rules. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Ghodmode

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Anssi Saari
Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com writes: Newsgroups aren't inherently spam-free. They're filtered. At least that's the case with Gmane (http://gmane.org/spam.php). My own ISP doesn't provide a news server and, although there are many links for free open news servers, most of them don't seem

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 02:12:58 PM Alain Ketterlin did opine: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com writes: Or save work and find a public nntp server (or setup one, or ask your provider), and use a news reader to follow the list (even thunderbird can do this). No spam, no need to store

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 02:26:24 PM Peter Pearson did opine: On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:15:59 -0400, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: [snip] What is wrong with the mailing list only approach? In the mailing-list approach, how do I search for prior discussions on a subject? (I'm

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com wrote: On 18/08/2011 13:58, Jason Staudenmayer wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Nobody
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:30:37 +0100, Tim Golden wrote: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? I haven't seen any significant quantity of spam on the list for

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Terry Reedy
I did check, though. I found a free, open news server with comp.lang.python after 6 that didn't work. Unfortunately, the one I found is read-only. I'll have to do some more looking if I want to participate in the newsgroup. I set it up in Thunderbird. I read and post to this and other

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Terry Reedy
On 8/18/2011 12:14 PM, gene heskett wrote: into a REAL mailing list. Subscribers only, or get past a GOOD captcha. I just had an idea. Ask 'What is python? __ or What can you do with a python?' with a free-form fill in the blank answer. Look for 'computer', 'program' or

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 05:18:42 PM Terry Reedy did opine: On 8/18/2011 12:14 PM, gene heskett wrote: into a REAL mailing list. Subscribers only, or get past a GOOD captcha. I just had an idea. Ask 'What is python? __ or What can you do with a python?' with a

RE: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Prasad, Ramit
Or 'Enter a Python keyword (search the tutorial if you do not know any) ' Sounds good, but now you've trained the spammer who is without a doubt watching this list. Teach them Python before they can post, I like it! Ramit Ramit Prasad | JPMorgan Chase Investment Bank | Currencies

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com writes: Short answer is to disconnect the the NNTP link and make this list into a REAL mailing list. Subscribers only, or get past a GOOD captcha. Many of the more valuable contributors post via NNTP, which does not require mailing list subscription nor CAPTCHA.

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Rhodri James
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:00:40 +0100, Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com wrote: I'm a strong opponent of dropping any email with a stupid footer spam. By contrast, an excessively large sig (particularly an excessively large sig without a proper separator) is something that's

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Seebs
On 2011-08-18, Prasad, Ramit ramit.pra...@jpmorgan.com wrote: Or 'Enter a Python keyword (search the tutorial if you do not know any) ' Sounds good, but now you've trained the spammer who is without a doubt watching this list. Teach them Python before they can post, I like it! I don't.

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Seebs usenet-nos...@seebs.net wrote: I don't.  If I want to get started in a language, I might well want to read about it a bit, and maybe ask questions like what is a good book for me to start with? If I have to know the language to do that, well... When I

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Steven D'Aprano
gene heskett wrote: But I'd like to return the question. What's wrong with nntp? The sheer volume of traffic eats 99% of an ISP's bandwidth. I doubt that very much, particularly if the ISP drops the binary newsgroups. My ISP, Internode, has provided nntp for many years. For a while a few

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Alain Ketterlin wrote: Jason Staudenmayer jas...@adventureaquarium.com writes: I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list? I'm using nntp to read this

Re: List spam

2011-08-18 Thread Terry Reedy
On 8/18/2011 10:10 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Now, an ISP might not have the bandwidth to supply all the needs of their customers, that's a separate issue. But complaining that the problem is specifically because they use bittorrent, as if it would disappear if they changed to HTTP, is bogus.