Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-c...e.com.au wrote:
Now that I understand what the semantics of cout Hello world are, I
don't have any problem with it either. It is a bit weird, Hello world
cout would probably be better, but it's hardly the strangest design in
any programming language,
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:24:36 +0200, Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-c...e.com.au wrote:
Now that I understand what the semantics of cout Hello world are, I
don't have any problem with it either. It is a bit weird, Hello world
cout would probably be better, but it's
On Aug 16, 4:22 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
I don't like normal assignment. After nearly four decades of mathematics
and programming, I'm used to it, but I don't think it is especially good.
It confuses beginners to programming: they get one set of
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I don't like normal assignment. After nearly four decades of mathematics
and programming, I'm used to it, but I don't think it is especially good.
It confuses beginners to programming: they get one set of behaviour
drilled into them in maths class, and then in
Douglas Alan wrote:
Personally, my favorite is Lisp, which looks like
(set! y (+ y 1))
For varying values of Lisp. `set!` is Scheme.
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On Aug 16, 4:48 am, Erik Max Francis m...@alcyone.com wrote:
Douglas Alan wrote:
Personally, my favorite is Lisp, which looks like
(set! y (+ y 1))
For varying values of Lisp. `set!` is Scheme.
Yes, I'm well aware!
There are probably as many different dialects of Lisp as all other
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 01:41:41 -0700, Douglas Alan wrote:
I like to be able to read everything from left to right, and Lisp does
that more than any other programming language.
I would definitely not like a language that obscures assignment by
moving it over to the right side of lines.
One
On Sunday 16 August 2009 12:18:11 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In any case, after half a century of left-from-right assignment, I think
it's worth the experiment in a teaching language or three to try it the
other way. The closest to this I know of is the family of languages
derived from Apple's
Douglas Alan wrote:
[snip]
C++ also allows for reading from stdin like so:
cin myVar;
I think the direction of the arrows probably derives from languages
like APL, which had notation something like so:
myVar - 3
[] - myVar
- was really a little arrow symbol (APL didn't use
On Aug 16, 8:45 am, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote:
No, APL is strictly right-to-left.
- x
means goto x.
Writing to the console is:
[] - myVar
Reading from the console is:
myVar - []
Ah, thanks for the correction. It's been 5,000 years since I used APL!
On Aug 16, 6:18 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 01:41:41 -0700, Douglas Alan wrote:
I would definitely not like a language that obscures assignment by
moving it over to the right side of lines.
One could argue that
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:05:01 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Now that I understand what the semantics of cout Hello world are, I
don't have any problem with it either. It is a bit weird, Hello world
cout would probably be better,
Placing the stream on the LHS allows the main forms of to be
On Friday 14 August 2009 18:11:52 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:07:31 -0700, Aahz wrote:
I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped
right there. --Steve Gonedes
Assuming that's something real, and not invented for humour, I presume
that's
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Hendrik van
Rooyenhend...@microcorp.co.za wrote:
On Friday 14 August 2009 18:11:52 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:07:31 -0700, Aahz wrote:
I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped
right there. --Steve Gonedes
On Aug 14, 10:25 pm, Dave Angel da...@ieee.org wrote:
Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Douglas Alan darkwate...@gmail.comwrote:
P.S. Overloading left shift to mean output does indeed seem a bit
sketchy, but in 15 years of C++ programming, I've never seen it cause
I guess the problem is---does it actually matter?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Steven D'Aprano
st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:07:31 -0700, Aahz wrote:
I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped
right there. --Steve
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:00:23 -0700, Douglas Alan wrote:
So, as far as I can tell, Python has no real authority to throw stones
at C++ on this little tiny particular issue.
I think you're being a tad over-defensive. I asked a genuine question
about a quote in somebody's signature. That's a
On Aug 16, 1:05 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:00:23 -0700, Douglas Alan wrote:
So, as far as I can tell, Python has no real authority to throw stones
at C++ on this little tiny particular issue.
I think you're being a tad
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:07:31 -0700, Aahz wrote:
I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped
right there. --Steve Gonedes
Assuming that's something real, and not invented for humour, I presume
that's describing something possible in C++. Am I correct? What the hell
On 2009-08-14, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:07:31 -0700, Aahz wrote:
I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped
right there. --Steve Gonedes
Assuming that's something real, and not invented for humour, I presume
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-08-14, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:07:31 -0700, Aahz wrote:
I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped
right there. --Steve Gonedes
Assuming that's something real, and not invented
On Aug 14, 12:17 pm, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid wrote:
On 2009-08-14, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:07:31 -0700, Aahz wrote:
I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped
right there. --Steve Gonedes
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-08-14, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
What the hell
would it actually do???
IIRC in C++,
cout Hello world;
is equivalent to this in C:
printf(Hellow world);
or this in Python:
print hellow world
Well, plus or minus
On 2009-08-14, Erik Max Francis m...@alcyone.com wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-08-14, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
What the hell
would it actually do???
IIRC in C++,
cout Hello world;
is equivalent to this in C:
printf(Hellow world);
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-08-14, Erik Max Francis m...@alcyone.com wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-08-14, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
What the hell
would it actually do???
IIRC in C++,
cout Hello world;
is equivalent to this in C:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Douglas Alan darkwate...@gmail.comwrote:
P.S. Overloading left shift to mean output does indeed seem a bit
sketchy, but in 15 years of C++ programming, I've never seen it cause
any confusion or bugs.
The only reason it hasn't is because people use it in
Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Douglas Alan darkwate...@gmail.comwrote:
P.S. Overloading left shift to mean output does indeed seem a bit
sketchy, but in 15 years of C++ programming, I've never seen it cause
any confusion or bugs.
The only reason it hasn't
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