mk, 24.02.2010 18:30:
On 2010-02-24 03:26, George Sakkis wrote:
Well I for one wouldn't want Python to go exactly Java way, see this:
http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/charts/permanent-demand-trend.aspx?s=jav...
This is the percentage of job offers in UK where the keyword Java
appears.
Same
At 12.34 pm on November 13, 2011
regards
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Stefan Behnel wrote:
Chris Rebert, 23.02.2010 06:45:
Indeed. Python is at position 7, just behind C#, in the TIOBE Index:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
That index is clearly flawed. A language like PHP (whatever that is
supposed to be comparable with)
Steve Holden wrote:
At 12.34 pm on November 13, 2011
At December 21, 2012 at 11:11 am (according to the Maya calendar)
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On 02/24/10 16:05, Peter Parker wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
At 12.34 pm on November 13, 2011
At December 21, 2012 at 11:11 am (according to the Maya calendar)
On August 29, 1997, Java became mainstream. In a panic, Microsoft tried
to embrace, extend and exterminate the system, prompting
On 2010-02-24 03:26, George Sakkis wrote:
Well I for one wouldn't want Python to go exactly Java way, see this:
http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/charts/permanent-demand-trend.aspx?s=jav...
This is the percentage of job offers in UK where the keyword Java appears.
Same for C#, it looks like C# is
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Edward A. Falk f...@mauve.rahul.net wrote:
You mean it's not?
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Javas popularity was very much a product of its time. It was something
new and exciting and people got a bit too
On 23 February 2010 08:56, AON LAZIO aonla...@gmail.com wrote:
That will be superb
Yes it would - but I'll just add in few words.
Java - Monstrous language that was Sun's flagship language. Now, it's Oracles.
Python - Hobby-ish hacking language that we all love so much (that we
wish everything
Am Tuesday 23 February 2010 09:07:43 schrieb Krister Svanlund:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Edward A. Falk f...@mauve.rahul.net
wrote:
You mean it's not?
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Javas popularity was very much a product
On Tuesday 23 February 2010 03:10 PM, Richard Lamboj wrote:
Am Tuesday 23 February 2010 09:07:43 schrieb Krister Svanlund:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Edward A. Falkf...@mauve.rahul.net
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You mean it's not?
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Chris Rebert, 23.02.2010 06:45:
Indeed. Python is at position 7, just behind C#, in the TIOBE Index:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
That index is clearly flawed. A language like PHP (whatever that is
supposed to be comparable with) can't possibly be on the
On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:56 PM, AON LAZIO wrote:
That will be superb
I guess static typing will have to be added, so that tools like
eclipse can inspect (and autocomplete) your programs [better].
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hackingKK a écrit :
(snip)
I don't care how many apps are developed using java as long as they
remain heavy and slw.
google runs on python
Please get your facts right.
Python is one of the languages used internally at Google, true, but so
is Java.
And google-the-search-engine does
Roald de Vries a écrit :
On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:56 PM, AON LAZIO wrote:
That will be superb
I guess static typing will have to be added, so that tools like eclipse
can inspect (and autocomplete) your programs [better].
Yet another troll...
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AON LAZIO wrote:
That will be superb
Well I for one wouldn't want Python to go exactly Java way, see this:
http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/charts/permanent-demand-trend.aspx?s=javal=uk
This is the percentage of job offers in UK where the keyword Java appears.
Same for C#, it looks like C# is
Stefan Behnel wrote:
Chris Rebert, 23.02.2010 06:45:
Indeed. Python is at position 7, just behind C#, in the TIOBE Index:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
That index is clearly flawed. A language like PHP (whatever that is
supposed to be comparable with) can't
Actually I am still waiting for Java to be mainstream :-)
You could say it is popular, which it is without doubt but in my opinion
after C handed over it's pseudo de facto standard (mostly because a lot
of OS'es are written in it) nobody else has had enough momenta to reach
for that crown.
On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
Actually I am still waiting for Java to be mainstream :-)
You could say it is popular, which it is without doubt but in my opinion
after C handed over it's pseudo de facto standard (mostly because a lot of
OS'es are written in it)
Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de writes:
Chris Rebert, 23.02.2010 06:45:
Indeed. Python is at position 7, just behind C#, in the TIOBE Index:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
That index is clearly flawed. A language like PHP (whatever that is
supposed to
On Feb 23, 3:49 pm, mk mrk...@gmail.com wrote:
Well I for one wouldn't want Python to go exactly Java way, see this:
http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/charts/permanent-demand-trend.aspx?s=jav...
This is the percentage of job offers in UK where the keyword Java appears.
Same for C#, it looks
That will be superb
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:56 PM, AON LAZIO aonla...@gmail.com wrote:
That will be superb
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And when will insert random band be as famous as the beatles?
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On Feb 22, 3:27 pm, Krister Svanlund krister.svanl...@gmail.com
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And when will insert random band be as famous as the Beatles?
And when will insert random non-schmaltzoid singer) be as famous as
Phil Collins?
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You mean it's not?
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When will Java be popular enough to replace other languages in their own
environments, the way Python has done to Java (Jython) and .NET (IronPython)?
Shawn
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:56 PM, AON LAZIO aonla...@gmail.com wrote:
That will be superb
It already has.
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jonathan Gardner
jgard...@jonathangardner.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:56 PM, AON LAZIO aonla...@gmail.com wrote:
That will be superb
It already has.
Indeed. Python is at position 7, just behind C#, in the TIOBE Index:
On Feb 22, 9:45 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jonathan Gardner
jgard...@jonathangardner.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:56 PM, AON LAZIO aonla...@gmail.com wrote:
That will be superb
It already has.
Indeed. Python is at position 7, just
On Saturday 14 November 2009 22:23:40 Paul Rubin wrote:
they'll have to call it Go2
Lol.
Or we could fork it and call it Gosub ... and never return!
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Simon Forman wrote:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Paul Rubin wrote:
Mark Chu-Carroll has a new post about Go:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/the_go_i_forgot_concurrency_an.php
In a couple of minutes, I wrote his toy prime filter example in
sturlamolden wrote:
On 14 Nov, 23:10, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
It would be much better, for instance, to tweak Python, which it
has had great success with, to better run on multiple cores.
Python run well on multiple cores, you just have to use processes
instead of threads.
But
On 16 Nov, 10:06, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Python run well on multiple cores, you just have to use processes
instead of threads.
But not so trivially as to add one word to an existing function.
Hence by tweak, I meant, as explained in another post, to add a keyword
or just a
Terry Reedy wrote:
It seems to me that generators are already 'channels' that connect the
calling code to the __next__ method, a semi-coroutine based on the body
of the generator function. At present, the next method waits until an
object is requested. Then it goes into action, yields an
sturlamolden sturlamol...@yahoo.no writes:
A decorator function like @go could just call os.fork and run the
function in the child. We already have a between-process Queue in
multiprocessing to use as channels.
Unlike with interthread queues, you have to serialize the values sent
through those
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Yoav Goldberg wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu mailto:
tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Paul Rubin wrote:
Mark Chu-Carroll has a new post about Go:
On Nov 14, 3:26 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
One more thing: I found Rob Pike's mutterings on generics (towards
the end of his rollout video) rather offputting, because he gave
the impression that some important aspects of the language were
not even considered before major decisions for
On 15 Nov, 05:21, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
Psyco does JIT compilation to machine-code for CPython, at the cost of
much extra memory. It's also limited to 32-bit Intel processors. The aim
of the PyPy project is to (eventually) make JIT machine-code
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Paul Rubin wrote:
Mark Chu-Carroll has a new post about Go:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/the_go_i_forgot_concurrency_an.php
In a couple of minutes, I wrote his toy prime filter example in Python,
mostly from
On 14 Nov, 23:10, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
It would be much better, for instance, to tweak Python, which it
has had great success with, to better run on multiple cores.
Python run well on multiple cores, you just have to use processes
instead of threads.
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In 7xpr7lixnn@ruckus.brouhaha.com Paul Rubin
http://phr...@nospam.invalid writes:
It seems a little weird to me that they (Google) are concerned with
the speed of the compiler, indicating that they plan to write enormous
programs in the language.
Fast compilation also means that Go can
In 129a67e4-328c-42b9-9bf3-152f1b76f...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com Michele
Simionato michele.simion...@gmail.com writes:
It does not look so primitive to me, compared to commonly used
languages.
I am pretty sure that they are missing a lot of the latest ideas on
purpose. If they want to
On 12 Nov, 01:53, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
(e.g.http://golang.orgorhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s).
There are some distinctly Pythonoid features to the syntax, such
as import this_or_that, the absence of
On Nov 14, 12:26 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
The two goals of replacing C with something more modern and at
the same time have a nearly zero learning curve seem to me mutually
negating. The closer to zero the learning curve is, the closer to
C/C++, and therefore the less modern, that
sturlamolden wrote:
On 12 Nov, 01:53, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
It's interesting. The semantics are closer to Java than any other
mainstream language. While Java usually is run with a virtual machine,
Go is more like
sturlamolden sturlamol...@yahoo.no writes:
And looking at Go, I cannot understand why Google prefer this over
e.g. Lua.
I thought Lua had no type system and no concurrency.
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kj no.em...@please.post writes:
One more thing: I found Rob Pike's mutterings on generics (towards
the end of his rollout video) rather offputting, because he gave
the impression that some important aspects of the language were
not even considered before major decisions for it were set in
On 14 Nov, 19:18, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote:
Syntax for queues is a minor win.
No, that's syntax bloat.
The go keyword could be a problem as well. I suspect it could infringe
on Cilk++ patents. Perhaps Go cannot be used without a licence from
Cilk Arts?
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sturlamolden sturlamol...@yahoo.no writes:
The go keyword could be a problem as well. I suspect it could infringe
on Cilk++ patents. Perhaps Go cannot be used without a licence from
Cilk Arts?
Also as somebody said, if after a while they decide to make a new
version of the language, they'll
Paul Rubin wrote:
Mark Chu-Carroll has a new post about Go:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/the_go_i_forgot_concurrency_an.php
In a couple of minutes, I wrote his toy prime filter example in Python,
mostly from the text rather than the code, which I can barely stand to
read. It
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Paul Rubin wrote:
Mark Chu-Carroll has a new post about Go:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/the_go_i_forgot_concurrency_an.php
In a couple of minutes, I wrote his toy prime filter example in Python,
mostly
Yoav Goldberg wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
mailto:tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Paul Rubin wrote:
Mark Chu-Carroll has a new post about Go:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/the_go_i_forgot_concurrency_an.php
In a couple
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:14:04 +, kj wrote:
In 7xpr7lixnn@ruckus.brouhaha.com Paul Rubin
http://phr...@nospam.invalid writes:
It seems a little weird to me that they (Google) are concerned with the
speed of the compiler, indicating that they plan to write enormous
programs in the
On Nov 14, 7:18 pm, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote:
Leaving out exceptions was a mistake. Exceptions are well understood
now,
and they're far better than the usual ignore errors approach one sees in
lamer
C programs.
I am also surprised about the lack of exceptions. I could infer
On Nov 15, 3:00 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
It seems to me that generators are already 'channels' that connect the
calling code to the __next__ method, a semi-coroutine based on the body
of the generator function. At present, the next method waits until an
object is requested. Then
Let me add a quote from the FAQ:
Why does Go not have exceptions?
Exceptions are a similar story. A number of designs for exceptions
have been proposed but each adds significant complexity to the
language and run-time. By their very nature, exceptions span functions
and perhaps even goroutines;
Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
Nah, exceptions are an ugly effect that gets in the way of
parallelism. Haskell handles lookups through its type system; dealing
with lookup errors (say by chaining the Maybe type) is clean and
elegant. Erlang handles it by crashing the
Duncan Booth duncan.bo...@invalid.invalid writes:
Haskell handles lookups through its type system; dealing with
lookup errors (say by chaining the Maybe type) is clean and elegant.
I said exceptions or any other method of error handling.
I think the use of an option type (like Maybe) is
On Nov 14, 4:38 am, Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
It seems a little weird to me that they (Google) are concerned with
the speed of the compiler, indicating that they plan to write enormous
programs in the language. I've heard they use a 1000-node cluster to
compile their
Well, Go looks like Python in the philosophy (it is a minimalist, keep
it simple language) more than in the syntax.
The one thing that I really like is the absence of classes and the
presence of interfaces
(I have been advocating something like that for years). I am dubious
about the absence of
On Nov 11, 8:42 pm, Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 11, 7:56 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:53 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the
Michele Simionato michele.simion...@gmail.com wrote:
I forgot to post a link to a nice analysis of Go:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/googles_new_language_go.php
Thanks for that link. I think it pretty well agrees with my first
impressions of Go: there are some nice bits but there
I forgot to post a link to a nice analysis of Go:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/googles_new_language_go.php
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Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com writes:
...but the lack of
inheritance is a doozie.
That's what I like most about it. Inheritance introduces at least
as many headaches as it solves. For one, it leads to spaghetti
code.
Carl Banks wrote:
Well, it's hard to argue with not being like C++, but the lack of
inheritance is a doozie.
Well it has the concept of embedding, which seems to be similar to
inheritance.
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kj wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
(e.g. http://golang.org or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s).
There are some distinctly Pythonoid features to the syntax, such
as import this_or_that, the absence of parentheses at the top of
flow control
On 2009-11-12, Patrick Sabin patrick.just4...@gmail.com wrote:
kj wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
(e.g. http://golang.org or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s).
There are some distinctly Pythonoid features to the syntax, such
as import
Duncan Booth duncan.bo...@invalid.invalid writes:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/11/googles_new_language_go.php
Thanks for that link. I think it pretty well agrees with my first
impressions of Go:
It looks like a not-so-interesting C follow-on, but the article doesn't
describe any
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
(e.g. http://golang.org or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s).
There are some distinctly Pythonoid features to the syntax, such
as import this_or_that, the absence of parentheses at the top of
flow control constructs, and
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:53 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
(e.g.http://golang.orgorhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s).
There are some distinctly Pythonoid
On Nov 11, 7:56 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:53 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
On Nov 11, 9:56 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:53 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest: the GO (Go?) language.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote:
On Nov 11, 9:56 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:53 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm just learning about Google's latest:
On 2009-11-11, at 21:27, Mensanator wrote:
Go doesn't support inheritance, so C++ is pretty much out. C
is a lot closer, but still not all that close.
OK, if that's the case (I haven't read the Go documents), then Go is nothing
like Python, no matter how many or few semicolons there are in Go
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