Re: Python Jobs

2010-06-10 Thread Michael Chambliss
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.netwrote:


 You might take a look at Front Range pythoneers. The is a mailing list
 an I think monthly meetups.  I see some job post coma across the list
 now and then.
 http://www.meetup.com/frpythoneers/

 I am also in the Denver area and have been meaning to go to one of the
 meetups.

 Vincent


Thanks for that, Vincent.  I've signed up for the group.  Perhaps Python is
enough of a niche amongst the Java and .NET shops that employers go straight
to these SIGs instead of the normal job boards.

Thanks to all for the input thus far.  It'll be interesting to see more
responses if they come in, but my assumption is that for most of you, the
development you're doing is either internal or hosted.  My company is
particularly phobic of releasing our products, which are typically shrink
wrapped and customer hosted, in anything but an obfuscated and compiled
package.

Thanks,
-Mike
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Python Jobs

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Chambliss
I use Python for my own entertainment and for quick jobs, but haven't been
able to use it professionally up to this point.  As a former Perl developer
and someone that's currently required to code in Java I'm starting to wish I
had this opportunity.  Can anyone comment on the Python job market?  If
you're currently employed writing Python apps, I'd be particularly
interested in knowing any of the following:

- Your location - country, state or city, whatever you care to provide
- Your focus - Product Development (web sites/apps), Education, RD/Science,
IT/Sys Admin, etc
- Your company size
- Your compensation relative to the .NET/Java developers you know -
generally higher/lower?

In my area (Denver, CO) I predominantly see Java positions, followed closely
by .NET.  I'll occasionally see something pop up related to PHP or Ruby web
development but hardly ever Python, so I'm just curious if I'm looking in
the wrong places.

Thanks for any input!
-Mike
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Re: Python Jobs

2010-06-09 Thread Giampaolo Rodolà
This is an interesting subject.

 - Your location - country, state or city, whatever you care to provide

Turin, Italy

 - Your focus - Product Development (web sites/apps), Education, RD/Science,
 IT/Sys Admin, etc

Web development based on Zope, Grok and Plone

 - Your company size

Small.

 - Your compensation relative to the .NET/Java developers you know -
 generally higher/lower?

I would say it's the same. Maybe a little higher but I'm talking about nuts.

 In my area (Denver, CO) I predominantly see Java positions, followed closely
 by .NET.  I'll occasionally see something pop up related to PHP or Ruby web
 development but hardly ever Python, so I'm just curious if I'm looking in
 the wrong places.

As for Italy I would say that Java PHP and NET are the most requested
positions, half of which I would personally discard because I know I
would end up doing something not funny.
Python covers a quite relatively small niche.
In my city I'm aware of only 4 companies which actively work with
Python, mine included.


--- Giampaolo
http://code.google.com/p/pyftpdlib
http://code.google.com/p/psutil


2010/6/9 Michael Chambliss em...@mchambliss.com:
 I use Python for my own entertainment and for quick jobs, but haven't been
 able to use it professionally up to this point.  As a former Perl developer
 and someone that's currently required to code in Java I'm starting to wish I
 had this opportunity.  Can anyone comment on the Python job market?  If
 you're currently employed writing Python apps, I'd be particularly
 interested in knowing any of the following:
 - Your location - country, state or city, whatever you care to provide
 - Your focus - Product Development (web sites/apps), Education, RD/Science,
 IT/Sys Admin, etc
 - Your company size
 - Your compensation relative to the .NET/Java developers you know -
 generally higher/lower?

 In my area (Denver, CO) I predominantly see Java positions, followed closely
 by .NET.  I'll occasionally see something pop up related to PHP or Ruby web
 development but hardly ever Python, so I'm just curious if I'm looking in
 the wrong places.
 Thanks for any input!
 -Mike
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Re: Python Jobs

2010-06-09 Thread Tim Chase

On 06/09/2010 03:21 PM, Michael Chambliss wrote:

- Your location - country, state or city, whatever you care to provide


Outside Dallas, TX, USA


- Your focus - Product Development (web sites/apps), Education, RD/Science,
IT/Sys Admin, etc


split between development (web  apps) and IT/Sys admin work


- Your company size


just shy of 50 emps at the company I just left (though still do 
some contract work for them) of which 2 are full-time 
development/sysadmins, one has some CIOish responsibilities, and 
3 contract developers (self included).  Development there is a 
mix of C# and Python.


I've also got a few other side projects using Django with smaller 
organizations.



- Your compensation relative to the .NET/Java developers you know -
generally higher/lower?


About the same, for an average .Net/Java developer (but there are 
a lot more .Net/Java developers for whom I wouldn't consider 
their dev skills worth the paper their certification is written 
on, yet they're paid well and incorporated into those averages)


However, my job enjoyment anecdotally seems MUCH higher (faster 
development, no extra compile step, the language is more 
beautiful  pleasant to use/read, language culture, etc)


-tkc



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Re: Python Jobs

2010-06-09 Thread Terry Reedy

On 6/9/2010 4:21 PM, Michael Chambliss wrote:

I use Python for my own entertainment and for quick jobs, but haven't
been able to use it professionally up to this point.  As a former Perl
developer and someone that's currently required to code in Java I'm
starting to wish I had this opportunity.  Can anyone comment on the
Python job market?  If you're currently employed writing Python apps,
I'd be particularly interested in knowing any of the following:

- Your location - country, state or city, whatever you care to provide
- Your focus - Product Development (web sites/apps), Education,
RD/Science, IT/Sys Admin, etc
- Your company size
- Your compensation relative to the .NET/Java developers you know -
generally higher/lower?

In my area (Denver, CO) I predominantly see Java positions, followed
closely by .NET.  I'll occasionally see something pop up related to PHP
or Ruby web development but hardly ever Python, so I'm just curious if
I'm looking in the wrong places.


If you have not, check out
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/


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Re: Python Jobs

2010-06-09 Thread Vincent Davis
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Michael Chambliss em...@mchambliss.com wrote:
 I use Python for my own entertainment and for quick jobs, but haven't been
 able to use it professionally up to this point.  As a former Perl developer
 and someone that's currently required to code in Java I'm starting to wish I
 had this opportunity.  Can anyone comment on the Python job market?  If
 you're currently employed writing Python apps, I'd be particularly
 interested in knowing any of the following:
 - Your location - country, state or city, whatever you care to provide
 - Your focus - Product Development (web sites/apps), Education, RD/Science,
 IT/Sys Admin, etc
 - Your company size
 - Your compensation relative to the .NET/Java developers you know -
 generally higher/lower?

 In my area (Denver, CO) I predominantly see Java positions, followed closely
 by .NET.  I'll occasionally see something pop up related to PHP or Ruby web
 development but hardly ever Python, so I'm just curious if I'm looking in
 the wrong places.
 Thanks for any input!
 -Mike

You might take a look at Front Range pythoneers. The is a mailing list
an I think monthly meetups.  I see some job post coma across the list
now and then.
http://www.meetup.com/frpythoneers/

I am also in the Denver area and have been meaning to go to one of the meetups.

Vincent


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Re: Python Jobs

2010-06-09 Thread geremy condra
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Michael Chambliss em...@mchambliss.com wrote:
 I use Python for my own entertainment and for quick jobs, but haven't been
 able to use it professionally up to this point.  As a former Perl developer
 and someone that's currently required to code in Java I'm starting to wish I
 had this opportunity.  Can anyone comment on the Python job market?  If
 you're currently employed writing Python apps, I'd be particularly
 interested in knowing any of the following:
 - Your location - country, state or city, whatever you care to provide

Washington

 - Your focus - Product Development (web sites/apps), Education, RD/Science,
 IT/Sys Admin, etc

security

 - Your company size

big (university), but I'm in a small quasi-independent group

 - Your compensation relative to the .NET/Java developers you know -
 generally higher/lower?

lower

 In my area (Denver, CO) I predominantly see Java positions, followed closely
 by .NET.  I'll occasionally see something pop up related to PHP or Ruby web
 development but hardly ever Python, so I'm just curious if I'm looking in
 the wrong places.
 Thanks for any input!

its just like anything else- the pickier you are about what you do, the further
afield you're likely to have to go.

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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-03 Thread Nitebirdz
On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 08:31:20AM -0700, JonathanB wrote:

 I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree (Cross-
 cultural studies). I have been programming for several years now and
 would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately most of
 the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with experience.
 
 Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
 requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post said
 CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
 major at all?
 

I have a liberal arts degree and have been working in the field for
years now, not as a programmer but as a high-level technical support
engineer (doing core dump analysis and the like).  While I opted for not
working as a programmer, other co-workers without a CompSci degree have
managed to do so without major problems.

It seems to me that most managers are willing to hire someone based on
his/her experience and proven knowledge, and not so much on the actual
degree you have.  Obviously, this means you will need to get some
experience before moving into actual programming.  

So, what would I recommend?  

First of all, make sure you get your foot in the door.  Apply for an
entry-level position at a company that works in the technology field,
even if it's doing technical support or writing documentation.  Once you
are in, work hard, show an interest in learning programming skills, talk
to the developers in the company, survey people around and try to figure
out where there is a need that can be met with a not-yet-written
application and put it together yourself, then show it to your manager
and try to convince him/her to deploy it as an official tool for your
team.  I've seen this work many times.  

Second, search around for open source projects that may look interesting
to you, download the source code, study it, subscribe to their
development mailing list, check out standing bugs and see if you can fix
them.  This is something you can definitely add to your resume.  


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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-03 Thread Michele Simionato
On Sep 2, 5:31 pm, JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree (Cross-
 cultural studies). I have been programming for several years now and
 would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately most of
 the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with experience.

 Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
 requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post said
 CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
 major at all?

Requiring a CS Major does not make sense. Sensible employers asks for
programmers
that know how to program, not for a piece of paper. For instance, at
work here
nobody has a CS degree, but still I would say that we have very
competent programmers.

You need a way to prove that you are a competent programmer.
Partecipating to
Open Source projects, writing articles about programming or having a
technical blog are ways to show your expertise. Here when we hire
people
we look at their posts in public newsgroups. I find the quality of the
posts a very good indicator of the quality of the perspective
employees.
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-03 Thread koranthala
On Sep 3, 9:19 am, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote:
 On 09/03/2009 09:36 AM, steve wrote:

  Hi Jonathan,
  [...snip...]

 I feel stupid replying to my own post but just one more thing i thought about
 mentioning but forgot to add:
 - Look at your Liberal Arts major as an advantage. Every field has a 
 'computing
 gap' that needs to be filled but cannot be done because they aren't any too 
 many
 good people who have the relevant cross-domain knowledge. For instance, one of
 the reasons I think this month's sourceforge.net project of the month is 
 really
 great is because the lead dev. has a CS degree and is listed as being a 
 medicine
 student:http://sourceforge.net/community/potm-200909/

 So, look for these gaps in your domain which can be filled using your 
 technical
 knowledge.

 again, ..



  Wish you the best,
  regards,
  - steve

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 what i'm stumbling into:http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

Also, I think topcoder.com is a good place for him. I have not used
them much, but their business plan -- of asking medium to difficult
questions every week, and contacting people who solves them with jobs
-- is quite sound.
Try that too.
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-03 Thread Zaphod
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:36:24 -0700, koranthala wrote:
snip
 
 Also, I think topcoder.com is a good place for him. I have not used them
 much, but their business plan -- of asking medium to difficult questions
 every week, and contacting people who solves them with jobs -- is quite
 sound.
 Try that too.

I got my first consulting job in a similar fashion.  Local newspaper ad 
said the first consultant who could answer their questions got the job.  
I was the only one that responded correctly and despite my Biochem degree 
was off doing my first commercial application (purchase order system for 
a local Credit Union).
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Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread JonathanB
I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree (Cross-
cultural studies). I have been programming for several years now and
would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately most of
the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with experience.

Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post said
CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
major at all?
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread r
On Sep 2, 10:31 am, JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree (Cross-
 cultural studies). I have been programming for several years now and
 would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately most of
 the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with experience.

 Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
 requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post said
 CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
 major at all?

Have you thought about getting involved with the Python core
development. Not a paying position, but may lead you to some good
connections, and i can't think of a better place to prove yourself
than that ;-)
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Philip Semanchuk


On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:48 AM, r wrote:


On Sep 2, 10:31 am, JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com wrote:
I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree  
(Cross-

cultural studies). I have been programming for several years now and
would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately most of
the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with  
experience.


Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post  
said

CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
major at all?


Have you thought about getting involved with the Python core
development. Not a paying position, but may lead you to some good
connections, and i can't think of a better place to prove yourself
than that ;-)


Or instead of diving into the Python core which might be pretty heavy  
stuff, create some open source code -- a game, a calculator, a music  
generator, an app to automatically download weather maps, etc.  
Whatever tickles your fancy. If you're willing to stand on your merits  
(and it sounds like you are), you can point people to where your code  
is hosted and say, I wrote that.


Anyway, it's something to do in between hitting refresh on 
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/

Good luck to you
Philip
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Rubin
JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com writes:
 I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree (Cross-
 cultural studies)
 Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
 requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post said
 CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
 major at all?

I think in the current economy there are not many entry level
positions requiring no experience, except for internships and that
sort of thing.  Also there are some jobs which really do call for a CS
major or someone of equivalent background.  

Often though, pure technical background doesn't matter as much as
inventiveness and the ability to make things happen, which is more a
matter of personality than training.  I don't know what cross-cultural
studies is, but I could imagine assignments (e.g. internationalizing
the user interface of a program or web site) where someone with that
background could work out fine.

Basically I think for pure software development openings, you may be
difficult to place, but there's lots of other types of openings where
the primary task is something other than programming and yet
incidental amounts of programming are involved.  For those, you'd have
a much better shot.

One thing that can certainly help is to have a portfolio of code
you've written for personal or academic projects or whatever.  Where I
work we're in the process of interviewing a guy who is some kind of
artist, who has used Python in some pretty cool art projects.  He has
a bunch of code on his web site that were very helpful in getting an
impression of his capabilities.
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Ethan Furman

Philip Semanchuk wrote:


On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:48 AM, r wrote:


On Sep 2, 10:31 am, JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com wrote:


I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree  (Cross-
cultural studies). I have been programming for several years now and
would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately most of
the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with  experience.

Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post  said
CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
major at all?



Have you thought about getting involved with the Python core
development. Not a paying position, but may lead you to some good
connections, and i can't think of a better place to prove yourself
than that ;-)



Or instead of diving into the Python core which might be pretty heavy  
stuff, create some open source code -- a game, a calculator, a music  
generator, an app to automatically download weather maps, etc.  Whatever 
tickles your fancy. If you're willing to stand on your merits  (and it 
sounds like you are), you can point people to where your code  is hosted 
and say, I wrote that.


Anyway, it's something to do in between hitting refresh on 
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/


Good luck to you
Philip


Philip is right -- I would consider a non-CS major, but then you'd get 
round-filed for the no experience.  Write something, or better yet, a 
few smallish somethings and a medium something, and then you can claim 
experience.


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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread JonathanB
Ok, so what I'm hearing is Get a code portfolio together and watch
the job board on python.org. Thanks for the advice!

I've been watching the python job board 3-4 times a week and I've been
working my way through the Project Euler problems in my free time. I
also have a trade generator that I wrote up to support a Traveller
game I was running a while back, but that code is old (the first non-
trivial program I ever wrote) and really fairly buggy. The user
interface is basically an infinite recursion that I sys.exit() out of
when I'm through, which means the code slows considerably as you do
more stuff in it because each trip back to the main menu is a
recursive call to the main() function. Hey, I was young and naive. I'm
working on cleaning it up right now. Any other tips?
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Aahz
In article c477b7ce-bea7-4855-ab71-94d016239...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
JonathanB  doulo...@gmail.com wrote:

I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree (Cross-
cultural studies). I have been programming for several years now and
would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately most of
the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with experience.

Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post said
CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
major at all?

You should also look into finding e.g. a tech support job at a company
using Python.
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Adam
On Sep 2, 11:31 am, JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com wrote:
 For the hiring managers, if the job post said
 CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
 major at all?

I got my English Writing degree in 1990, and I have been a software
engineer ever since. Landing the first job was very difficult, but it
gave me the foundation of experience that allowed me to circumvent the
CS-degree or equivalent requirement on every job that I have had
since. If you do choose to pursue software development as a career,
you'll be shocked at how many of your fellow liberal arts degree
holders are doing the same.

It will be a hard road. You will have to overcome significant
obstacles. You will do boring, tedious work. You will find out what it
really means to pay one's dues. You will also, perchance, succeed and
find happiness in a fulfilling career.

I think that Python is an outstanding foundation for learning
programming, but I would advise you to branch out as quickly as
possible. I imagine that saying so won't endear me to anyone here, but
in good conscience, I have to recommend C# and the .NET framework; it
has lead me to continual and well-paying employment for many, many
years now. Also, put together an on-line portfolio of code, preferably
composed of complete and useful programs. Actually seeing well-
written, well-documented code can go a long way towards getting you in
the door for an interview.
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Tim Wintle
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 08:31 -0700, JonathanB wrote:
 I am a self-taught Python programmer with a liberal arts degree
 (Cross-cultural studies). I have been programming for several years
 now and would like to get a job as a python programmer. Unfortunately
 most of the job posts I have seen are for CS Majors or people with
 experience.
 
 Is there a place I can look for job posts for entry level positions
 requiring no experience? For the hiring managers, if the job post said
 CS Major in the requirements, would you consider a liberal arts
 major at all?

Definately not without any experience - but experience doesn't have to
come from paid work - coding as a hobby in your free time is what's made
all the best developers I know.

Some things I personally would expect (and find more important than a CS
background) - in order of importance:


 * Experience (e.g. open source / hobby projects / work) - several years
worth.

 * Problem solving ability

 * A good comprehension of C, machine code, or something where you have
to care about pointers/references.

 * Basic maths skills.


Tim

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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Rubin
JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com writes:
 Any other tips?

Learn some more languages besides Python.  Python is good to know but
other languages present other ways of doing things.  A skillful
programmer has a variety of techniques to draw from.
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread Adam
On Sep 2, 12:52 pm, JonathanB doulo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Any other tips?

I'm probably going to come off as very old school, but give yourself a
good and thorough education in data structures and algorithms. You
might never be called on to actually code a quick sort, merge sort,
heap sort, doubly-linked list or trie, but knowing what they are and
why they are important will fundamentally shape how you approach all
software problem solving.

There are a lot of good data structures and algorithms books that use
C, so that'd be a good approach to also adding a very important
language to your toolbelt.
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread steve

Hi Jonathan,

On 09/02/2009 10:22 PM, JonathanB wrote:

Ok, so what I'm hearing is Get a code portfolio together and watch
the job board on python.org. Thanks for the advice!

I've been watching the python job board 3-4 times a week and I've been
working my way through the Project Euler problems in my free time. I
also have a trade generator that I wrote up to support a Traveller
game I was running a while back, but that code is old (the first non-
trivial program I ever wrote) and really fairly buggy. The user
interface is basically an infinite recursion that I sys.exit() out of
when I'm through, which means the code slows considerably as you do
more stuff in it because each trip back to the main menu is a
recursive call to the main() function. Hey, I was young and naive. I'm
working on cleaning it up right now. Any other tips?


- Keep an eye out for jobs which are not directly programming related -- things 
like system administration (which might involve scripting), that's the way I 
started.


- Bid for some projects at places like odesk.com, rentacoder.com, 
getafreelancer.com etc. A lot of people here might be averse to the idea (and 
they'd have good reasons for it too), but doing this will pay off in the long 
run. You might get a feel of why people might be averse to the idea by reading 
these:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001190.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-1652-Gadgets-Examiner~y2008m11d14-oDesk-Guru-Elance-and-RentACoder--Are-they-worth-it

Basically, these kind of jobs might end up being more trouble than their worth. 
However, I personally found that it is possible to build long term business 
relationships, which you can then take external to these sites, quite quickly if 
you are any good.


Here is a comparison chart in case you decide to go for it

http://thethriftygeek.com/2008/11/comparing-the-online-consulting-sites/

Wish you the best,
regards,
- steve
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Re: Entry Level Python Jobs

2009-09-02 Thread steve


On 09/03/2009 09:36 AM, steve wrote:

Hi Jonathan,
[...snip...]


I feel stupid replying to my own post but just one more thing i thought about 
mentioning but forgot to add:
- Look at your Liberal Arts major as an advantage. Every field has a 'computing 
gap' that needs to be filled but cannot be done because they aren't any too many 
good people who have the relevant cross-domain knowledge. For instance, one of 
the reasons I think this month's sourceforge.net project of the month is really 
great is because the lead dev. has a CS degree and is listed as being a medicine 
student:

http://sourceforge.net/community/potm-200909/

So, look for these gaps in your domain which can be filled using your technical 
knowledge.


again, ..


Wish you the best,
regards,
- steve



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Please post Python jobs to the Python Job Board (was: Python Developers needed for...)

2007-11-08 Thread Ben Finney
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RE: Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?

2007-06-11 Thread Doug Phillips
 I know of http://www.rentacoder.com/ but I've never actually used it.

http://www.guru.com and http://www.getafreelancer.com are also good
sites (in fact I got my current employment starting off as a contractor
on guru.com)

There are others, but these are the three I've worked with and felt
comfortable working with.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?

2007-06-11 Thread kaens
On 6/9/07, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 En Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:53:08 -0300, boyeestudio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 escribió:

  Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?
  I want to find a part time job.
  Please give a clue to this for me.

 I know of http://www.rentacoder.com/ but I've never actually used it.

 --
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I'm on RAC, and I'm doing python work right now, but python stuff is
more or less few and far between on RAC.

If you know a few different languages, or can pick them up quickly,
there is a good amount of employment opportunity on RAC. Most of the
bids right now seem to be for PHP work or more general web +
random.choice(['design', 'app']) stuff.

But yeah, python works pops up here and there, and when it does it
tends to be pretty interesting stuff.


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Re: Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?

2007-06-11 Thread Rob Knapp
boyeestudio wrote:
 Hi,all buddies.
 Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?
 I want to find a part time job.
 Please give a clue to this for me.
 Thanks a lot!
This is probably going to sound like I'm telling you something you 
already know, but keep a close eye on the Python Job Page 
(http://python.org/community/jobs/).  By checking it daily, I was able 
to find 2 part-time jobs about 2 years back.  One of which has morphed 
into a full time job recently.

Also Feedster and UKLUG () both allow you to form an RSS feed of a 
custom job search.  I found that quite useful when I was last looking.  
(Although, there are quite a few dupes)

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Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?

2007-06-09 Thread boyeestudio

Hi,all buddies.
Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?
I want to find a part time job.
Please give a clue to this for me.
Thanks a lot!
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Re: Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?

2007-06-09 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:53:08 -0300, boyeestudio [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
escribió:

 Are there any python jobs worked at home from the internet?
 I want to find a part time job.
 Please give a clue to this for me.

I know of http://www.rentacoder.com/ but I've never actually used it.

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Python Jobs

2006-12-04 Thread Matt H
I'm writing from an IT Recruitment consultancy, I have an opportunity
for either an experienced Python developer or someone looking to cross
train in to Python in a permanent role. The role is based in the
Amersham, Buckinghamshire for a small but well established software
house.

You will be required to develop a range of bespoke Web applications
using a range of Object Orientated languages - Mainly Python.

Candidates should be skilled in one or more of the following: OO, PHP,
SQL/SQL Server Database Development Integration, XML. More information
on application.

Excellent opportunity to cross train in other development languages
such as PostgreSQL and Python. Training provided.

Call for more details - 01932 245500




Matt Hancock - Recruitment Consultant.

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www.jenrickcpi.co.uk

01932 245500

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Re: Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-19 Thread Steve Holden
Aahz wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Steve Holden  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
There's informal evidence that the Python secret is getting out. Sharpen 
up your resumes, guys, you may not have to limit Python to home usage 
soon :-)
 
 
 OTOH, the big sucking sound from Google and Yahoo (plus other places
 like Ironport) is making it more difficult to hire Python programmers in
 the Bay Area...

Not to mention the large Python gravity field a few hundred miles South 
emanating from Industrial Light and Magic.

But don;t expect Google and Yahoo suck to be a popular compaint ;-)

regards
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Re: Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-19 Thread Gregory Piñero
I'd love Python work, just like everyone else here. On a related
topic, what's the policy/etiquette of posting a resume on here, or
mentioning what kind of work you're looking for? And what's the
policy in general for most newsgroups and mailing lists?

-Greg
On 8/19/05, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aahz wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:There's informal evidence that the Python secret is getting out. Sharpenup your resumes, guys, you may not have to limit Python to home usagesoon :-)
 OTOH, the big sucking sound from Google and Yahoo (plus other places like Ironport) is making it more difficult to hire Python programmers in the Bay Area...Not to mention the large Python gravity field a few hundred miles South
emanating from Industrial Light and Magic.But don;t expect Google and Yahoo suck to be a popular compaint ;-)regardsSteve--Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255+1 800 494 3119
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Re: Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-19 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Erik Max Francis  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Decker wrote:

 Then start looking for telecommuting people. There are lots of us who
 can use work and have excellent telecommuting references, but who
 don't happen to live in a major metro area!

And then there's some in the Bay Area who wouldn't mind telecommuting, 
either ... :-)

We do a *lot* of telecommuting.  I'm working from home today, for
example, because I needed to deal with the plumber.  And we have two
people in Seattle out of seven fulltime people.  However, it's our
experience that people are more productive when they show up at the
office regularly -- the two Seattle people had lots of experience with
our product before they worked independently, and the two of them do
share an office.

(They work across the street from Elliott Bay Books, the bastards.)
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Re: Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-19 Thread Terry Reedy

Gregory Piñero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd love Python work, just like everyone else here.  On a related topic, 
what's the policy/etiquette of posting a resume on here, or mentioning 
what kind of work you're looking for?

I would take absence of such postings, even though you can imagine *lots* 
of people have had the same idea, as an indication that it is against 
policy/etiquette.  If 1 person does it, we could easily have 10 or 100 a 
day ;-).

  And what's the policy in general for most newsgroups and mailing lists?

For mainline newsgroups, such as the comp.*, commercial annoucements are 
generally counter-indicated unless the name (.marketplace) or charter say 
otherwise.  Exceptions would be a low volume of things of direct and narrow 
interest.  So I consider the rare job announcements posted here ok.  The 
same for book announcements.  In either case, such are positive news for 
what is still a minority, just becoming mainstream, language.

Terry J. Reedy



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Re: Python jobs

2005-08-19 Thread Mike Meyer
Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 generally counter-indicated unless the name (.marketplace) or charter say 
 otherwise.  Exceptions would be a low volume of things of direct and narrow 
 interest.  So I consider the rare job announcements posted here ok.  The 
 same for book announcements.

The key words here are of direct and narrow interest. Job postings
that don't mention Python in c.l.python are spam, nothing else.

Maybe the Python jobs lists needs a available developers
counterpart? Or would it be to big/dynamic to maintain using whatever
is behind the jobs list?

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Re: Python jobs

2005-08-19 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Meyer  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maybe the Python jobs lists needs a available developers
counterpart? Or would it be to big/dynamic to maintain using whatever
is behind the jobs list?

Part of the reason the Jobs page hasn't moved to a wiki is that often
people sending in job ads are insufficiently technical to handle the
formatting.  That presumably wouldn't be true for an available
developers wiki...
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Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-18 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Steve Holden  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There's informal evidence that the Python secret is getting out. Sharpen 
up your resumes, guys, you may not have to limit Python to home usage 
soon :-)

OTOH, the big sucking sound from Google and Yahoo (plus other places
like Ironport) is making it more difficult to hire Python programmers in
the Bay Area...
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Re: Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-18 Thread Peter Decker
On 18 Aug 2005 10:58:46 -0700, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OTOH, the big sucking sound from Google and Yahoo (plus other places
 like Ironport) is making it more difficult to hire Python programmers in
 the Bay Area...

Then start looking for telecommuting people. There are lots of us who
can use work and have excellent telecommuting references, but who
don't happen to live in a major metro area!
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Re: Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-18 Thread Erik Max Francis
Peter Decker wrote:

 Then start looking for telecommuting people. There are lots of us who
 can use work and have excellent telecommuting references, but who
 don't happen to live in a major metro area!

And then there's some in the Bay Area who wouldn't mind telecommuting, 
either ... :-)

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