Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-08 Thread Jan Claeys
Op Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:20:52 +1300, schreef greg: If you want a really appropriate name for a programming language, I'd suggest Babbage. (not for Python, though!) Konrad Zuse wrote the first high-level programming language, so I think his name would be a better candidate... -- JanC --

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-08 Thread Steve Howell
--- Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:20:52 +1300, schreef greg: If you want a really appropriate name for a programming language, I'd suggest Babbage. (not for Python, though!) Konrad Zuse wrote the first high-level programming language, so I think his

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-06 Thread Adrian Cherry
Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: AC For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced AC hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically illiterate? Yup! The limits of my musically ability

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-06 Thread Boris Borcic
Piet van Oostrum wrote: Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: AC For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced AC hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically illiterate? Note that the notation for the note (!) isn't universal. French speakers for

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-06 Thread Piet van Oostrum
Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: AC Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in AC news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: AC For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced AC hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-06 Thread Hertha Steck
Boris Borcic wrote: Piet van Oostrum wrote: Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: AC For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced AC hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically illiterate? Note that the notation for the note (!) isn't universal.

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-06 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Boris Borcic a écrit : Piet van Oostrum wrote: Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: AC For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced AC hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically illiterate? Note that the notation for the note (!) isn't

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-06 Thread Patrick Mullen
Monty Python pioneered (or at least pioneered the organized televising of) a form of humor where there is no punchline or reason something is funny, it just is (or isn't). I find about half of it very funny, and the rest very unfunny. I used to find it more hilarious than I do now. It's an

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-06 Thread James Stroud
Terry Reedy wrote: Tóth Csaba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard | to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. The jokes translate just fine in my country, but

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:49:36 -0300, Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: How about the cognate: Kulkukan? You meant Kukulkan. If you got it wrong from Apocalypto (Mel Gibson), well, it's just one of many errors in the film... Either way its

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Euler? (most non-tech types would probably think that's a reference to someone who squirts lubricants into the workings of a steam engine) You have just destroyed a long held image in my mind with this horrible homophone - I used to conjure up images

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Boris Borcic
Russ P. wrote: If I had invented Python, I would have called it Newton or Euler, arguably the greatest scientist and mathematician ever, respectively. This makes your taste on the matter dubious. Such choice of a name implies either a claim to the fame of the Person that's devoid of

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Adrian Cherry
Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com: Speaking of stupid names, what does C++ mean? I think it's the grade you get when you just barely missed a B--. But I can't deny that it *is* good for searching. For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 04/12/2007, Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen dotanail.com wrote: Newton was the bridge between science and superstition. Without him, we would not have science. For that he is notable. He is both magician and scientist. It was Newton's belief in the occult

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Piet van Oostrum
Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: AC For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced AC hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically illiterate? -- Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email:

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Robert Boyd
On Dec 4, 2007 10:02 AM, George Sakkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 12:50 pm, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this because I've been through it myself. When I tell people that I use Python, I often qualify it by pointing out that it is used extensively at Google. In other

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Piet van Oostrum wrote: Adrian Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AC) wrote: For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically illiterate? I wonder what Cb (C-flat) would be. Ada? :) Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #351:

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: I wouldn't be that harsh... Though I've never heard # as hash... Python programmer and never heard of the hashbang? :) Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #170: popper unable to process jumbo kernel --

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-05 Thread Boris Borcic
Russ P. wrote: Speaking of stupid names, what does C++ mean? According to Special Relativity, C++ is a contradiction in terms :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread Zara
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:40:10 -0800 (PST), Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 12:47 pm, J. Clifford Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:10 -0800, Russ P. wrote: On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann usenet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ P. wrote: I agree that

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread cokofreedom
On Dec 4, 11:36 am, MarkE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ithon Pie - Fun -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread MarkE
Ithon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread Tóth Csaba
Dennis Lee Bieber írta: Changing the name of the language, at this stage, means giving up over ten years of history and rebuilding name recognition from scratch... Along with having to rename Jython, IronPython, CherryPy, probably Boa Constructor, the pysqlite DB adapter, numpy, scipy,

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread grflanagan
On Dec 4, 11:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 11:36 am, MarkE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ithon Pie - Fun Pie-a-thon? http://montypython.tribe.net/thread/fd519910-25e3-4102-b898-8815d6ece32a http://www.flickr.com/photos/kirstywombat/1862165664/ --

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:31:55 +0100, Zara wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:35 +0200, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! Wasn't Ra the Sun god? He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:31:55 +0100, Zara wrote: He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the language. That name is already taken in the programming language domain. There's a Tiny C compiler for 6510 based targets: Uh, why don't take one of his aliases?

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread George Sakkis
On Dec 3, 12:50 pm, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this because I've been through it myself. When I tell people that I use Python, I often qualify it by pointing out that it is used extensively at Google. In other words, I'm banking on the reputation of Google to offset the goofiness

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread Kristina ivana
On 4 Dec 2007 13:40:47 GMT, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:31:55 +0100, Zara wrote: He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the language. That name is already taken in the programming

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-04 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:49:36 -0300, Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: How about the cognate: Kulkukan? You meant Kukulkan. If you got it wrong from Apocalypto (Mel Gibson), well, it's just one of many errors in the film... -- Gabriel Genellina --

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread MonkeeSage
On Dec 2, 4:47 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:55:32 -0800, Russ P. wrote: I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a technician (no offense to technicians).

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:12:17 -0800, MonkeeSage wrote: Being fair, the bulk of Liebniz' writings have also been rejected by those in related fields. Most modern metaphysicians hold a view closer to Boston Personalism or at least post-Kantian Personalism (a la Buber), than monadic unity and

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread MonkeeSage
On Dec 3, 7:23 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:12:17 -0800, MonkeeSage wrote: Being fair, the bulk of Liebniz' writings have also been rejected by those in related fields. Most modern metaphysicians hold a view closer to Boston

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 5:23 am, Steven D'Aprano I'm not suggesting that Leibniz was any more of a scientist than Newton was, nor am I suggesting that Newton's achievements should be *rejected* (er, except for those pesky Quantum Mechanics and Relativity things...). I'm just saying that we should

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-03, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 5:23 am, Steven D'Aprano I'm not suggesting that Leibniz was any more of a scientist than Newton was, nor am I suggesting that Newton's achievements should be *rejected* (er, except for those pesky Quantum Mechanics and Relativity

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Francesco Guerrieri
On Dec 3, 2007 4:40 PM, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said before, a name is just a name. It might as well be called cockroach as far as I am concerned. Unluckily the Beatles was already taken :-) francesco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread cokofreedom
The only reason to change the name would be because of some serious bad PR that came onto Python, thus causing its branding name to be catagorized as something bad. However this is not the case, presently, and the brand name is well established and accepted. There is no reason to change its name

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 8:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only reason to change the name would be because of some serious bad PR that came onto Python, thus causing its branding name to be catagorized as something bad. However this is not the case, presently, and the brand name is well established and

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Gary Herron
Russ P. wrote: On Dec 3, 8:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only reason to change the name would be because of some serious bad PR that came onto Python, thus causing its branding name to be catagorized as something bad. However this is not the case, presently, and the brand name is

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Tóth Csaba
Russ P. írta: Python is a funny name -- in both senses of the word. No? Then why did a comedy team adopt it? Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. Just a few ppl knows them. Newton is a well

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. Just a few ppl knows them. I've heard it helps to be stoned out of your mind (i.e., under the influence of illegal drugs), but I don't necessarily

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Tóth Csaba
Russ P. írta: Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. Just a few ppl knows them. I've heard it helps to be stoned out of your mind (i.e., under the influence of illegal drugs), but I don't

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Robert Kern
Tóth Csaba wrote: back from jokes, im _really_ interested what is core developers, mainly Guido's opinion about the name change. I'm pretty sure it's, Not a chance. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Tommy Grav
On Dec 3, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Tóth Csaba wrote: Russ P. írta: Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. Just a few ppl knows them. I've heard it helps to be stoned out of your mind (i.e.,

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:11:19 +, Neil Cerutti wrote: To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, Newton was too successful. Over-veneration of Newton was eventually an impediment to progress--this was not, of course, his fault. Given that the veneration of Newton was very much a product of Newton's

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Python is a good programming language, but Python is not a good name. First, python also means snake, Monty Python. If we search python in google, emule, many results are not programming resource. If we search PHP, all results are programming resource.

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:29:58 -0800, Russ P. wrote: He might have been a great intellectual but he was no scientist. It's only by ignoring the vast bulk of his work -- work which Newton himself considered *far* more important and interesting than his work on physics and mathematics -- that we

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
I'm amazed that anyone here answered this obvious troll... I doubt the original post was a troll, but the statement above clearly is. You are entitled to your opinion about the idea of changing the name of the language, but calling it a troll is just arrogance on display. Python3000 is

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Russ P. a écrit : I'm amazed that anyone here answered this obvious troll... I doubt the original post was a troll, but the statement above clearly is. Then your trollometer is broken. Got and get yourself a working one. You are entitled to your opinion about the idea of changing the name

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:11:19 +, Neil Cerutti wrote: To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, Newton was too successful. Over-veneration of Newton was eventually an impediment to progress--this was not, of course, his

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Dan Upton
On Dec 3, 2007 4:34 PM, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed that anyone here answered this obvious troll... I doubt the original post was a troll, but the statement above clearly is. You are entitled to your opinion about the idea of changing the name of the language, but calling

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you seem to worry quite a lot about being serious) about IT knows what Python is and who uses it. Heck, even MSVS now has support for Python and there's an official CLR port of it. Can't

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-03, Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Second, python also means snake, snake is not a good thing in western culture. Many people dislike any things relevant to snake. We must have high regard for the custom. Now, python3000 is coming. It's

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 2:12 pm, Chris Mellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 4:02 PM, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you seem to worry quite a lot about being serious) about IT knows

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-03, Michael Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !!! Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not because of his methods. The scientific method is a tool. The results are far more important than the tool. Right. The biggest weakness in the scientific method is that it

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 1:58 pm, Dan Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and thus, maybe the joke is on you? Just to play devil's advocate... Yes, the joke *is* on me -- every time I have to explain to someone why I am using this funny-sounding language. That's the point. --

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Chris Mellon
On Dec 3, 2007 4:02 PM, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you seem to worry quite a lot about being serious) about IT knows what Python is and who uses it. Heck, even MSVS now has

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Michael Terry
!!! Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not because of his methods. The scientific method is a tool. The results are far more important than the tool. Also, it's not a game. His wacky ideas don't cancel out his brilliant ones. If you want to say that he technically wasn't

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Terry Reedy
Tóth Csaba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard | to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. | Just a few ppl knows them. || back from jokes, im _really_ interested

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Russ P. schrieb: On Dec 3, 1:58 pm, Dan Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and thus, maybe the joke is on you? Just to play devil's advocate... Yes, the joke *is* on me -- every time I have to explain to someone why I am using this funny-sounding language. That's the point. Yeah, but

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Jim Hill
Michael Terry wrote: Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not because of his methods. The scientific method is a tool. As was Newton, according to many of his contemporaries. The results are far more important than the tool. Yep. Jim -- I loathe people who say, 'I

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 3:09 pm, Chris Mellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People who claim that everyone would agree with them if they'd only open their minds or think out of the box are worth more than a few Never said anything like it. It's a red herring that you either imagined or made up. points on the

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Chris Mellon
On Dec 3, 2007 4:26 PM, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2:12 pm, Chris Mellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 4:02 PM, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 2:40 pm, Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the OP posted his lastest 'why', I assumed this proposal was an April Fools' post that he just could not wait to post. In fact, given that the effective cost would be in the $millions, I an still not sure he is sanely serious. I

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread MonkeeSage
On Dec 3, 5:39 pm, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2:40 pm, Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the OP posted his lastest 'why', I assumed this proposal was an April Fools' post that he just could not wait to post. In fact, given that the effective cost would be in the

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
Dotan Cohen dotanail.com wrote: Newton was the bridge between science and superstition. Without him, we would not have science. For that he is notable. He is both magician and scientist. It was Newton's belief in the occult that led to his discovery of gravity: the fact that distant

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-03 Thread Zara
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:35 +0200, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! Wasn't Ra the Sun god? He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the language. Now try qith Quetzatcoatl and its

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 1, 11:34 pm, Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ P. Ru...gmail.com wrote: I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. I urge Guido to take it while it is still available. Sir Isaac certainly deserves the honor. Does he? Are you aware of how he treated Hooke? He

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what dou you think about D language? :) Or F or F#? I think that one-letter names are even worse for languages than they are for variables. And they are impossible to google. Update: well, they were when _I_ needed to... I just tried, and

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/12/2007, Hendrik van Rooyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ P. Ru...gmail.com wrote: I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. I urge Guido to take it while it is still available. Sir Isaac certainly deserves the honor. Does he? Are you aware of how he treated Hooke? He was

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/12/2007, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a technician (no offense to technicians). If you just read the Wikipedia preamble about him you will realize that he is

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Russ P. wrote: Python is an acceptable name, but Newton1 (or Newton3) would be a great name. Nah, I like Monty and Snakes. Newton already has his name as unit for kg*m/s^2. :) Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #74: You're out of memory -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:55:32 -0800, Russ P. wrote: I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a technician (no offense to technicians). If you just read the Wikipedia preamble about him you will realize that he is

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Clement
On Dec 1, 9:51 am, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! Wasn't Ra the Sun god? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.comhttp://gibberish.co.il

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/12/2007, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:55:32 -0800, Russ P. wrote: I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a technician (no offense to technicians). If you just read

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread Russ P.
He might have been a great intellectual but he was no scientist. It's only by ignoring the vast bulk of his work -- work which Newton himself considered *far* more important and interesting than his work on physics and mathematics -- that we can even *pretend* he was a scientist. The fact

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-02 Thread greg
Russ P. wrote: I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. Not for a language, but there is a physics simulation library called Newton -- which is a more appropriate use of the name, I think. To me, he's more associated with physics than mathematics. If you want a really appropriate name

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Rod Stephenson
At one stage, Monty Python's Flying Circus was going to be called Owl Stretching Time. If that had eventuated, then presumably we would all be disussing the Owl programming language on comp.lang.owl -- Real email address? Rule 1. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Russ P. wrote: I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, Why not? BTW, is Windows a great name for an operating system? If I had invented Python, I would have called it Newton or Euler, arguably the greatest scientist and mathematician ever, respectively. Then

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New name Pytn may be better, do you think so ? No. How would you pronounce it? Pai-tn? Why don't you create a fork where the only difference is the name? Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #194: We only support a 1200 bps connection. --

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread MonkeeSage
On Dec 1, 4:11 am, Bjoern Schliessmann usenet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New name Pytn may be better, do you think so ? No. How would you pronounce it? Pai-tn? Why don't you create a fork where the only difference is the name? Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread David H Wild
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not necessarily. A python is a sleek and powerful creature, which are good associations for a programming language. The word also hints at a bit of danger and excitement. On the whole, I think it's a good name. I remember reading

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Tim Chase
I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, but I'm afraid we're stuck with it. Well, the language was going to be called One of the cross beams has gone out askew on the treadle but that was a little unwieldy and hard to understand when mumbled in a hury. Searching for

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! Wasn't Ra the Sun god? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 9:58 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, python3000 is coming. It's the best time to rename! Yes, but Thong would be a better name, due to the minimalist syntax and the attraction/repulsion/catatonic revulsion effect it has with

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Tóth Csaba
Dotan Cohen írta: On 01/12/2007, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 9:58 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, python3000 is coming. It's the best time to rename! Yes, but Thong would be a better name, due to the minimalist syntax and the attraction/repulsion/catatonic revulsion

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of stupid names, what does C++ mean? I think it's the grade you get when you just barely missed a B--. But I can't deny that it *is* good for searching. C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired and meant to

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Tóth Csaba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: man.. :)) the biggest point in this thread :DD btw in my country not much, because we write it szex :DD tsabi We got you beat: סקס. Try that on a Latin keyboard! Actually, szex might be a great name, as it implies the meaning without

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Dotan Cohen wrote: C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired and meant to replace it. C++ is obviously C+1 Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented afterwards. Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #307: emissions from GSM-phones --

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread James Matthews
Well in the future we will ask the internet god Google to guide us in making the name! On Dec 1, 2007 6:02 PM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/12/2007, Tóth Csaba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: man.. :)) the biggest point in this thread :DD btw in my country not much, because we write

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Dan Upton
On Dec 1, 2007 12:34 PM, Bjoern Schliessmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired and meant to replace it. C++ is obviously C+1 Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented afterwards. I guess

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Bjoern Schliessmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented afterwards. :) I will remember that! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-01, Bjoern Schliessmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired and meant to replace it. C++ is obviously C+1 Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented afterwards. Bjarne was only interested in

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann usenet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ P. wrote: I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, Why not? Think about proposing its use to someone who has never heard of it (which I did not too long ago). As the OP pointed out, a

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread J. Clifford Dyer
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:10 -0800, Russ P. wrote: On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann usenet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ P. wrote: I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, Why not? Think about proposing its use to someone who has never heard of it

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 1, 12:47 pm, J. Clifford Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:10 -0800, Russ P. wrote: On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann usenet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ P. wrote: I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, Why not?

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Paul Rudin
J. Clifford Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...Perl is named for a knitting technique, Lisp is named for a speech impediment... I can't figure out whether you're being serious or not but, for the record, those are not where the names of those two languages come from.

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread John Machin
On Dec 2, 8:40 am, Russ P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None. None of them are good names by my criteria. But then, a name is only a name. One of the few names I like is Pascal, because he was a great mathematician and scientist. After thinking about it a bit, here are examples of what I would

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
Newton was a great scientist, and his name is easy to spell and pronounce. Should be, but a large proportion of the population pronounce it so that it rhymes with hootin as in hootin n hollerin :-) You can count me in that large proportion. 8^) By the way, after thinking about it a bit,

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread Tóth Csaba
Russ P. írta: Newton was a great scientist, and his name is easy to spell and pronounce. Should be, but a large proportion of the population pronounce it so that it rhymes with hootin as in hootin n hollerin :-) You can count me in that large proportion. 8^) The 1 also serves to identify

Re: Python is not a good name, should rename to Athon

2007-12-01 Thread greg
Dotan Cohen wrote: C++ is obviously C+1, ie, what comes after C. Although it was a bit rude to choose the destructive form C++ instead of C+1. Many programmers are quite happy with C as it is and don't want their language overwritten! Also there's the rather confusing fact that the value of the

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