Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-28 Thread Mohan Parthasarathy
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt eckha...@satorlaser.comwrote: Steve Ferg wrote: On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error checking, etc.), and rely on them to provide the high level of support needed to be

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-28 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Mohan Parthasarathy surut...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt eckha...@satorlaser.com wrote: Steve Ferg wrote: On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-20 Thread Steve Ferg
I think you mean this clbuttic post: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides That's it! Thanks very much, Marco!! It is good to read it again. It is like visiting a place where you grew up years ago, and finding that it is completely different than the way you remember it. It is surprising

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-19 Thread Chris Rebert
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message 07e5af6c-d41d-4a4a-8e2e- f27bc92c9...@f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com, Steve Ferg wrote: On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-19 Thread Steve Ferg
Thanks. Your observations would make good comments on the original blog message that I'm seeking. Do you have a link to that blog? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-19 Thread Marco Mariani
Chris Rebert wrote: On the other hand there are developers who much prefer to keep things light-weight and simple. Would it be fair to say the first type tends to congregate in herds, particularly in corporate IT departments, while the latter tends to operate on a more individual basis? That

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-19 Thread Colin J. Williams
Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: Steve Ferg wrote: On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error checking, etc.), and rely on them to provide the high level of support needed to be reasonably productive in heavy-weight languages (e.g. Java). On the

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-19 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Ulrich Eckhardt eckha...@satorlaser.com writes: That said, an IDE that provides auto-completion (e.g. that gives you a list of available class members) is a good thing in Java, because you don't have to browse the documentation as often. While I find at least some types of autocompletion to

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-18 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
Steve Ferg wrote: On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error checking, etc.), and rely on them to provide the high level of support needed to be reasonably productive in heavy-weight languages (e.g. Java). On the other hand there

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-18 Thread Aahz
In article mff7e6-e43@satorlaser.homedns.org, Ulrich Eckhardt eckha...@satorlaser.com wrote: Steve Ferg wrote: On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error checking, etc.), and rely on them to provide the high level of support

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-18 Thread Marco Mariani
Steve Ferg wrote: I periodically think of that blog, usually in circumstances that make me also think Boy, that guy really got it right. But despite repeated and prolonged bouts of googling I haven't been able to find the article again. I must be using the wrong search terms or something.

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-18 Thread Gabor Urban
Hi guys, I think this issue is long-long displute over tools and IDE-s. No need to combine it with the question of the complexity of the programming language used. I know guys, who did every development project using a simple GVIM and command line tools, and vere extremly productive. Even in

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-18 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message mff7e6-e43@satorlaser.homedns.org, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: If you took a look at Java, you would notice that the core language syntax is much simpler than Python's. I don't think it is. Look at things like private versus protected versus public with or without static and final,

Re: Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-18 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message 07e5af6c-d41d-4a4a-8e2e- f27bc92c9...@f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com, Steve Ferg wrote: On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error checking, etc.), and rely on them to provide the high level of support needed to be reasonably

Seeking old post on developers who like IDEs vs developers who like simple languages

2009-05-17 Thread Steve Ferg
A few years ago someone, somewhere on the Web, posted a blog in which he observed that developers, by general temperament, seem to fall into two groups. On the one hand, there are developers who love big IDEs with lots of features (code generation, error checking, etc.), and rely on them to