[issue44835] What does "Python for Windows will still be Python for DOS" mean?

Steve Dower added the comment: Yep, it's just a thank you and acknowledgement that was in the installer, so I brought it forward. However, we removed it a couple of versions ago (with Mark's permission). So it's certainly not an issue that needs to be addressed now ;) --

[issue44835] What does "Python for Windows will still be Python for DOS" mean?

Tim Peters added the comment: The CPython Windows installer has a "thank you" box at the end: """ Special Windows thanks to Mark Hammond, without whose years of freely shared Windows expertise, Python for Windows would still be Python for DOS. """ There was no support for Windows in

[issue44835] What does "Python for Windows will still be Python for DOS" mean?

New submission from Eric V. Smith : Since this is not a bug in Python, this is not the appropriate place to ask. I suggest you try the python-list mailing list https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list And I don't know what it means. I've never heard of that saying before.

[issue44835] What does "Python for Windows will still be Python for DOS" mean?

Change by chen-y0y0 : -- components: Installation, Windows nosy: paul.moore, prasechen, steve.dower, tim.golden, zach.ware priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: What does "Python for Windows will still be Python for DOS" mean? type: performance versions: P

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Avi Gross wrote: ... this is really a computation theory question and for the most part you'll find that all languages of suitable power can replace each other. arguably some languages seem more expressive or easier to read than others. but the most popular languages will often have

What can python replace?

All this talk about language names makes me ask what can evolved languages like python replace? I mean clearly a language like ancient BASIC which had GOTO and GOSUB verbs may not be anything worth considering. But if there was a language that broke though as a functional programming

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 02May2016 14:07, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2016-05-01, c...@zip.com.au wrote: Didn't the OP specify that he was writing a command-line utility for Linux/Unix? Discussing command line operation for Windows or OS-X seems rather pointless. OS-X

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-05-01, c...@zip.com.au wrote: >>Didn't the OP specify that he was writing a command-line utility for >>Linux/Unix? >> >>Discussing command line operation for Windows or OS-X seems rather >>pointless. > > OS-X _is_ UNIX. I spent almost all my time on this Mac in

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 5/1/2016 9:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2016 03:04 am, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2016-05-01, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2016 02:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote: In discussions like these, it would be important to draw from precedents. Are there

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Mon, 2 May 2016 03:04 am, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-05-01, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Mon, 2 May 2016 02:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote: >> In discussions like these, it would be important to draw from precedents. Are there commands that have such an option?

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 01May2016 17:04, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2016-05-01, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2016 02:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote: In discussions like these, it would be important to draw from precedents. Are there commands that have such an

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 01May2016 21:23, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Is there an environment variable to tell the application what you consider "short", or should it read your mind? How about $LINES? If it's less than that,

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 01May2016 20:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 1 May 2016 05:28 pm, c...@zip.com.au wrote: On 01May2016 16:44, Chris Angelico wrote: So you expect the environment variable to say which of multiple pagers you might want, but only when you already

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 05/01/2016 09:36 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2016 02:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote: It's pretty rare. It is assumed that Unix uses can type " | less" Is nobody except me questioning the assumption that we're only talking about Unix users? Even Windows has "more". -- ~Ethan~

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sun, May 1, 2016, at 13:04, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-05-01, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Is nobody except me questioning the assumption that we're only > > talking about Unix users? > > Didn't the OP specify that he was writing a command-line utility for > Linux/Unix?

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sunday 01 May 2016 12:36:48 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 2 May 2016 02:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> In discussions like these, it would be important to draw from > >> precedents. Are there commands that have such an option? > > > > It's pretty rare.  It is assumed that Unix uses can

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-05-01, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 2 May 2016 02:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote: > >>> In discussions like these, it would be important to draw from >>> precedents. Are there commands that have such an option? >> >> It's pretty rare.  It is assumed that Unix uses

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Mon, 2 May 2016 02:30 am, Grant Edwards wrote: >> In discussions like these, it would be important to draw from >> precedents. Are there commands that have such an option? > > It's pretty rare.  It is assumed that Unix uses can type " | less" Is nobody except me questioning the assumption

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-05-01, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Grant Edwards : > >> On 2016-05-01, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> Okay. How is an app supposed to know whether or not to use a pager? >> Command line option. >> >>> How do you expect them to

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Grant Edwards : > On 2016-05-01, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Okay. How is an app supposed to know whether or not to use a pager? > Command line option. > >> How do you expect them to mindread? > Nope, just recognize '-p' or somesuch. In discussions like

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-05-01, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:24 PM, wrote: >> Yes, PAGER=cat would make "man" also not page, and likely almost everything. >> And yet I am unwilling to do so. Why? >> >> On reflection, my personal problems with this approach

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 1 May 2016 05:28 pm, c...@zip.com.au wrote: > >> On 01May2016 16:44, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>>So you expect the environment variable to say which of multiple pagers >>>you might want, but

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sun, 1 May 2016 05:28 pm, c...@zip.com.au wrote: > On 01May2016 16:44, Chris Angelico wrote: >>So you expect the environment variable to say which of multiple pagers >>you might want, but only when you already want a pager. Okay. How is >>an app supposed to know whether or

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sun, 1 May 2016 04:44 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:24 PM, wrote: >> Yes, PAGER=cat would make "man" also not page, and likely almost >> everything. And yet I am unwilling to do so. Why? >> >> On reflection, my personal problems with this approach are

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sun, 01 May 2016 17:28:53 +1000, cs wrote: > On 01May2016 16:44, Chris Angelico wrote: >>On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:24 PM, wrote: >>> Yes, PAGER=cat would make "man" also not page, and likely almost >>> everything. >>> And yet I am unwilling to do so. Why?

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 01May2016 16:44, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:24 PM, wrote: Yes, PAGER=cat would make "man" also not page, and likely almost everything. And yet I am unwilling to do so. Why? On reflection, my personal problems with this approach are

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:24 PM, wrote: > Yes, PAGER=cat would make "man" also not page, and likely almost everything. > And yet I am unwilling to do so. Why? > > On reflection, my personal problems with this approach are twofold: > > - I want $PAGER to specify my preferred pager

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 30Apr2016 23:46, Random832 wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 22:30, Grant Edwards wrote: We don't want to use a PAGER variable to specify when we want a pager and when we don't want a pager. If we want a pager we append "| less" to the command. If we don't want a

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sun, 1 May 2016 09:51 am, c...@zip.com.au wrote: > Let me recite one of my favourite rules of thumb: > > If it can't be turned off, it's not a feature. - Karl Heuer My microwave oven has a safety lock which prevents the mechanism from operating (generating microwaves) while the door is

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 22:30, Grant Edwards wrote: > We don't want to use a PAGER variable to specify when we want a pager > and when we don't want a pager. If we want a pager we append "| less" > to the command. If we don't want a pager, we don't append that to the > command. Setting

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-05-01, Random832 wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 19:51, c...@zip.com.au wrote: >> _When_ they want a pager. > > Why would they need an environment variable at all in that case, rather > than explicitly invoking the pager by name? We don't want to use a PAGER

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 19:51, c...@zip.com.au wrote: > _When_ they want a pager. Why would they need an environment variable at all in that case, rather than explicitly invoking the pager by name? To me, *not* having PAGER=cat signifies that someone *does* want a pager. That may be a crappy

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 29Apr2016 11:40, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:08 am, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2016-04-28, Random832 wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 15:39, Grant Edwards wrote: That's fine. If you want two or three forms of documentation then

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 30Apr2016 13:23, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:49 pm, Ben Finney wrote: Random832 writes: On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:27, Rustom Mody wrote: > Instead it does some ½-assed fall-between-the-stools of both That doesn't answer the

Re: manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

Rustom Mody writes: > At that point what I gleaned was that original makeinfo was in C > New one was rewritten in perl. The previous one was definitely written in C and I've looked at the code some. I hadn't known there was a new one. The C one was actually the second

Re: manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 9:36:42 AM UTC+5:30, Paul Rubin wrote: > Rustom Mody writes: > > As with all things rms, its taking him decades to realize this defeat > > [Latest makeinfo is 18 times slower than previous version!! > >

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 23:23, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Seriously, I'm thinking that a keyword argument to help might be useful: > > help(object, pager=None) I'd call it something more generic like "output". > where: > > - pager=None gives the current behaviour; > > - pager="foo" calls out

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 9:46:19 AM UTC+5:30, Random832 wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 00:06, Ben Finney wrote: > > Steven D'Aprano writes: > > > > > So they want the PAGER environment variable to specify what pager they > > > want... > > > > > > ...so long as applications don't

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 00:06, Ben Finney wrote: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > > > So they want the PAGER environment variable to specify what pager they > > want... > > > > ...so long as applications don't actually make use of that PAGER > > environment variable to determine

Re: manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

Rustom Mody writes: > As with all things rms, its taking him decades to realize this defeat > [Latest makeinfo is 18 times slower than previous version!! > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-texinfo/2013-01/msg00012.html Wait, what's it written in now? > In the

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Steven D'Aprano writes: > So they want the PAGER environment variable to specify what pager they > want... > > ...so long as applications don't actually make use of that PAGER > environment variable to determine the pager they want to use. This at least does not baldly

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:49 pm, Ben Finney wrote: > Random832 writes: > >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:27, Rustom Mody wrote: >> > Instead it does some ½-assed fall-between-the-stools of both >> >> That doesn't answer the question of why, if you (Well, Ethan, but >> you're

Re: manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 7:55:47 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > "Martin A. Brown" writes: > > > Hello [Steven D'Aprano], > > > > >What is a good place where I can find out more about writing manpage? > > Writing them directly in GNU troff markup is easy enough >

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:46, Rustom Mody wrote: > I dont get whats so hard to get in this: > When we need pagers we know where to get them And if you set PAGER=cat (thus "crippling your shell"), you will likewise know where to get them when you want to page the output from man or git. Why is

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 8:06:46 AM UTC+5:30, Random832 wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:27, Rustom Mody wrote: > > On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 7:47:11 AM UTC+5:30, Random832 wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:09, Ethan Furman wrote: > > > > So I have to cripple my shell to get

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Random832 writes: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:27, Rustom Mody wrote: > > Instead it does some ½-assed fall-between-the-stools of both > > That doesn't answer the question of why, if you (Well, Ethan, but > you're taking the same position here) hate pagers so much

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:27, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 7:47:11 AM UTC+5:30, Random832 wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:09, Ethan Furman wrote: > > > So I have to cripple my shell to get pydoc help to work nicely? Neat! > > > Actually, not so much. :( > > > >

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 7:47:11 AM UTC+5:30, Random832 wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:09, Ethan Furman wrote: > > So I have to cripple my shell to get pydoc help to work nicely? Neat! > > Actually, not so much. :( > > If you don't want a pager with pydoc, when exactly do you want

Re: manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

"Martin A. Brown" writes: > Hello [Steven D'Aprano], > > >What is a good place where I can find out more about writing manpage? Writing them directly in GNU troff markup is easy enough . For writing manual pages programmatically via Python

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:09, Ethan Furman wrote: > So I have to cripple my shell to get pydoc help to work nicely? Neat! > Actually, not so much. :( If you don't want a pager with pydoc, when exactly do you want it? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 04/29/2016 06:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:53 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: JFTR I find git behavior annoying -- as it seems do others `git --help` behaves as the Unix standard: it prints help output to stdout. Is that the annoying behaviour? No. `git help ` and

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:53 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 3:07:09 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 03:00 pm, Rustom Mody wafted information-rich >> pheromones into the air, where they diffused rapidly: >> > Why replicate and cause annoyance? >> >>

Re: manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 7:35:55 PM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote: > Wow. Thank you for that very informative post! > > -- > ~Ethan~ For emacs junkies there is also org-e-man [1] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-e-man-documentation.html [2]

Re: manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

Wow. Thank you for that very informative post! -- ~Ethan~ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

manpage writing [rst, asciidoc, pod] was [Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?]

Hello, >What is a good place where I can find out more about writing >manpage? I don't know of a single place where manpage authorship is particularly documented. This seems to be one of the common target links. In addition to introducing the breakdown of manpages by type (section) and

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 3:07:09 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 03:00 pm, Rustom Mody wafted information-rich pheromones > into the air, where they diffused rapidly: > > Why replicate and cause annoyance? > > If you don't want to use the functionality, don't. You

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 03:00 pm, Rustom Mody wafted information-rich pheromones into the air, where they diffused rapidly: > Quite bewildered by this thread... > Are we in 2016? > [Reminds me of the bizarre claim that world has not moved on from text] (For the benefit of those of us still stuck in

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Irmen de Jong : if sys.stdout.isatty(): #use a pager to display help text else: #print all help text normally I think nowadays it's an anti-pattern for programs to do their own pagination. Very often the "terminal" is a GUI application with its own

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Rustom Mody writes: > On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 7:45:35 AM UTC+5:30, Paul Rubin wrote: >> Steven D'Aprano writes: >> > (1) print the help text to stdout; >> > (2) run the help text through a pager; >> >> Stdout unless the PAGER env var is set. Otherwise, I'd say still stdout >> since the

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 7:45:35 AM UTC+5:30, Paul Rubin wrote: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > > (1) print the help text to stdout; > > (2) run the help text through a pager; > > Stdout unless the PAGER env var is set. Otherwise, I'd say still stdout > since the person can pipe it through a

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Steven D'Aprano writes: > (1) print the help text to stdout; > (2) run the help text through a pager; Stdout unless the PAGER env var is set. Otherwise, I'd say still stdout since the person can pipe it through a pager if they want, but you could use the pager or be fancy

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:08 am, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-04-28, Random832 wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 15:39, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> That's fine. If you want two or three forms of documentation then you >>> prepare two or three forms of documentation. >>>

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-04-28, Random832 wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 15:39, Grant Edwards wrote: >> That's fine. If you want two or three forms of documentation then you >> prepare two or three forms of documentation. >> >> Adding an option to run the default 'help' output through

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 29Apr2016 03:06, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I have an application written in Python which accepts -h or --help to show help. I can: (1) print the help text to stdout; (2) run the help text through a

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 15:39, Grant Edwards wrote: > That's fine. If you want two or three forms of documentation then you > prepare two or three forms of documentation. > > Adding an option to run the default 'help' output through a pager or > display it in a web browser doesn't somehow force

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-04-28, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Grant Edwards : > >> On 2016-04-28, Random832 wrote: >>> One disadvantage is that you have to compose two forms of >>> documentation. >> >> Only if you want two forms of documentation. >>

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Grant Edwards : > On 2016-04-28, Random832 wrote: >> One disadvantage is that you have to compose two forms of >> documentation. > > Only if you want two forms of documentation. > > If you add an option to run the help info through a pager, I

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-04-28, Random832 wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 13:33, Grant Edwards wrote: >> As long as -? -h --help just write stuff to stdout you can add >> whatever other options you like that run pagers, start up web >> browsers, or show mp4 movies on the wall without

RE: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

. > -Original Message- > From: Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+d.strohl=f5@python.org] > On Behalf Of Random832 > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:30 AM > To: python-list@python.org > Subject: Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help? > > On Thu, Apr 2

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Irmen de Jong : > An idea: Use just one help option, then > > if sys.stdout.isatty(): > #use a pager to display help text > else: > #print all help text normally I've seen that used, but I find it annoying:

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 13:33, Grant Edwards wrote: > As long as -? -h --help just write stuff to stdout you can add > whatever other options you like that run pagers, start up web > browsers, or show mp4 movies on the wall without annoying grouchy old > Unix users like me. ;) One

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

Steven D'Aprano writes: > I have an application written in Python which accepts -h or --help to > show help. I can: > > (1) print the help text to stdout; > > (2) run the help text through a pager; > > (3) do something else? > > > Many command line tools simply output help to stdout (or stderr,

RE: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

if needed (or whatever). Dan > -Original Message- > From: Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+d.strohl=f5@python.org] > On Behalf Of Irmen de Jong > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:08 AM > To: python-list@python.org > Subject: Re: What should Python apps do when asked to

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 2016-04-28, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I have an application written in Python which accepts -h or --help to show > help. I can: > > (1) print the help text to stdout; Yep: just write it to stdout. > (2) run the help text through a pager; If you do (1), and I can do that

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 13:06, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > > Many command line tools simply output help to stdout (or stderr, if they're > > evil), > > I'm not sure stderr is particularly more evil than stdout, but

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 04/28/2016 10:02 AM, Dan Strohl via Python-list wrote: I would suggest using argparse https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html as it handles all of that natively... On the other hand, if you feel that argparse is akin to using a canon to kill a mosquito, you can try scription*:

RE: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

From: John Wong [mailto:gokoproj...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:06 AM To: Dan Strohl <d.str...@f5.com> Cc: alister <alister.w...@ntlworld.com>; python-list@python.org Subject: Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help? On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Da

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Dan Strohl via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > I would suggest using argparse > https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html as it handles all of that > natively... including validating arguments, showing errors, help, etc... > however, assuming

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I have an application written in Python which accepts -h or --help to show > help. I can: > > (1) print the help text to stdout; > > (2) run the help text through a pager; > > (3) do something else? > > > Many command

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 28-4-2016 18:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > but I was thinking of doing both: give my application a subcommand or an > option to display help directly in a pager, while -h and --help print to > stdout as normal. > > What do you think? Too clever? An idea: Use just one help option, then if

RE: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

tion about that specific argument. > -Original Message- > From: Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+d.strohl=f5@python.org] > On Behalf Of alister > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:45 AM > To: python-list@python.org > Subject: Re: What should Python apps do when asked to sh

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On 04/28/2016 09:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I have an application written in Python which accepts -h or --help to show help. I can: (1) print the help text to stdout; (2) run the help text through a pager; (3) do something else? I think if the user is proficient enough to: a) run the

Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 02:33:56 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I have an application written in Python which accepts -h or --help to > show help. I can: > > (1) print the help text to stdout; > > (2) run the help text through a pager; > > (3) do something else? > > > Many command line tools

What should Python apps do when asked to show help?

I have an application written in Python which accepts -h or --help to show help. I can: (1) print the help text to stdout; (2) run the help text through a pager; (3) do something else? Many command line tools simply output help to stdout (or stderr, if they're evil), which makes it easy to

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: From: geremy condradebat...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Octavian Rasnitaorasn...@gmail.com wrote: snip Would it be hard to introduce the possibility of adding encryption of the bytecode similar to what the Zend encoder does

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

Octavian Rasnita, 19.01.2011 07:10: aren't the Pyton bytecode-compiled files considered secure enough? Can they be easily decompiled? Yes. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

From: Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de Octavian Rasnita, 19.01.2011 07:10: aren't the Pyton bytecode-compiled files considered secure enough? Can they be easily decompiled? Yes. Stefan Would it be hard to introduce the possibility of adding encryption of the bytecode similar to what

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

Octavian Rasnita, 19.01.2011 11:31: From: Stefan Behnel Octavian Rasnita, 19.01.2011 07:10: aren't the Pyton bytecode-compiled files considered secure enough? Can they be easily decompiled? Yes. FYI, just take a look at the 'dis' module. There are also decompilers available. IIRC, one is

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de Octavian Rasnita, 19.01.2011 07:10: aren't the Pyton bytecode-compiled files considered secure enough? Can they be easily decompiled? Yes. Stefan Would it be hard to

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On 2011-01-19, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be hard to introduce the possibility of adding encryption of the bytecode similar to what the Zend encoder does for PHP or Filter::Crypto for Perl? The

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On 20 January 2011 06:16, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2011-01-19, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be hard to introduce the possibility of adding encryption of the bytecode

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

From: geremy condra debat...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de Octavian Rasnita, 19.01.2011 07:10: aren't the Pyton bytecode-compiled files considered secure enough? Can they be easily decompiled?

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

Tim Harig, 18.01.2011 12:37: On 2011-01-18, Stefan Behnel wrote: Tim Harig, 17.01.2011 20:41: I prefer a single language as opposed to a creolization of two. With the possible exception of Lisp, I find it hard to think of a language that's still alive and not the creolisation of (at least)

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On 2011-01-18, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:41:54 +, Tim Harig wrote: One of the arguments for Python has always made is that you can optimize it by writing the most important parts in C. Perhaps that is a crutch that has held the

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On 2011-01-18, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Tim Harig, 17.01.2011 20:41: One of the arguments for Python has always made is that you can optimize it by writing the most important parts in C. Perhaps that is a crutch that has held the communty back from seeking higher performance

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

Tim Harig wrote: You still don't see many companies doing large scale internal development using Python and you definately don't see any doing external developement using a language that gives the customers full access to the source code. What you refered as full access to the source code

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On 2011-01-18, Rui Maciel rui.mac...@gmail.com wrote: Tim Harig wrote: You still don't see many companies doing large scale internal development using Python and you definately don't see any doing external developement using a language that gives the customers full access to the source code.

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: Go is not an ideal language for high-performance code. Despite the occasional claims of others, Go is consistently outperformed by C, C++, and Java on a wide variety of benchmarks. Some claim that Ada and Haskell do as well,

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

On 1/18/2011 10:30 AM, Tim Harig wrote: Whether or not you actually agree with that economic reality is irrelevant. Those who fund commerical projects do; and, any developement tool which violates the security of the source is going to find itself climbing an uphill battle in trying to gain

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