On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 01:48 am, andrewpat...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 25, 2010 at 11:07:42 AM UTC+1, kj wrote:
>> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
>> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete examp
On Monday, October 25, 2010 at 11:07:42 AM UTC+1, kj wrote:
> In "The Zen of Python", one of the "maxims" is "flat is better than
> nested"? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
> this point?
>
> TIA!
>
> ~kj
>
import this
prints 'The Zen of Python', a poem by Tim Peters that consists of python
proverbs such as Flat is better than nested. (Others things being
equal) why? Because it is a restatement of the principle of parsimony,
of not multiplying entities without necessity.
Suppose we have a
*as many as (about) 2*N - log2(N) parent child relationships*
*
*
I would like to know how did you come up with the above formula? Forgive my
ignorance.
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*Skype* : iftecan2000
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Ifthikhan Nazeem iftecan2...@gmail.com wrote:
as many as (about) 2*N - log2(N) parent child relationships
I would like to know how did you come up with the above formula? Forgive my
ignorance.
I come up with 2N - 2 myself. If there are N leaf nodes and N - 1
On 7/31/2012 5:49 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Ifthikhan Nazeem iftecan2...@gmail.com wrote:
as many as (about) 2*N - log2(N) parent child relationships
I would like to know how did you come up with the above formula? Forgive my
ignorance.
By non-rigorous
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
In message
d4e7f8b9-9526-4bf5-b4d7-e398912eb...@b19g2000prj.googlegroups.com, rustom
wrote:
If you take zen seriously you dont get it
If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
That -- seriously -- is zen
I don’t get it.
I get it. Does that mean that I
On 11/9/2010 3:44 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
I don’t get it.
I get it. Does that mean that I don't get it?
Yes. As Dr. Feynman said about quantum mechanics.
-John
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Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
I get it. Does that mean that I don't get it?
Mu.
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d4e7f8b9-9526-4bf5-b4d7-e398912eb...@b19g2000prj.googlegroups.com, rustom
wrote:
If you take zen seriously you dont get it
If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
That -- seriously -- is zen
I don’t get it.
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On Oct 26, 12:11 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In mailman.232.1288020268.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
Simple. This commandment (endowed by the anointed one, GvR) is
directed directly at lisp and those filthy lispers. If you don't know
what lisp is then Google it. Then try to program
rustom wrote:
If you take zen seriously you dont get it
If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
You forgot:
If you explain zen you don't get it
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Am 06.11.2010 02:36, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:19:47 +0100, J. Gerlach wrote:
Am 28.10.2010 03:40, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
[ snip a lot of wise words ]
Can I put this (translated) in the german python wiki? I guess it might
help more people to understand some
On Nov 6, 2:52 pm, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote:
rustom wrote:
If you take zen seriously you dont get it
If you dont take zen seriously you dont get it
You forgot:
If you explain zen you don't get it
I guess different communities have different settings for 'explanation-
Am 28.10.2010 03:40, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
[ snip a lot of wise words ]
Can I put this (translated) in the german python wiki?
I guess it might help more people to understand some decisions taken
during python's development - and I'm to lazy to do something similar
myself ;)
Greetings from
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:19:47 +0100, J. Gerlach wrote:
Am 28.10.2010 03:40, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
[ snip a lot of wise words ]
Can I put this (translated) in the german python wiki? I guess it might
help more people to understand some decisions taken during python's
development - and I'm
In message mailman.297.1288170848.2218.python-l...@python.org, Stefan
Behnel wrote:
What's a that boy?
A boy who’s the opposite of fin.
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On 27 October 2010 20:58, Robin Becker ro...@reportlab.com wrote:
On 27/10/2010 10:13, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Robin Becker, 25.10.2010 15:56:
I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!.
What's a that boy?
well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
[...]
How about this
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:45:21 -0700, alex23 wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve-remove-t...@cybersource.com.au wrote:
Load the source code for the ‘this’ module into a text editor, and
see how many of the maxims it violates.
None of them.
I'd say it easily violates the first 3, being neither
Steven D'Aprano steve-remove-t...@cybersource.com.au writes:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:45:21 -0700, alex23 wrote:
The whole thing could be replaced by a single print The Zen
of
But that would miss the point. It's supposed to be light-hearted.
Yes, and to that end it's also (deliberately,
On Oct 25, 10:23 am, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
it was
written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
rounds of wrestling on television.
Tim Peters...a WrestleMania fan...who would have guessed?
;-)
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:47:35 -0700 (PDT) alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:58 pm, Robin Becker ro...@reportlab.com wrote:
I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!.
well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
I know that X that a boy said is wrong. (any
Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid wrote:
No, it wouldn't, hence Stefan's (and your) error. It maps to a specific
boy. Replacing thats where possible, it becomes:
I know that [the] that [which] that boy said is wrong.
Ah, I see now: I know that that that that _that_ boy said is
On Oct 27, 8:40 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve-REMOVE-
t...@cybersource.com.au wrote:
Although the Zen is written in a light-hearted fashion, it is not
intended as a joke. Every line in the Zen is genuine advice -- even the
one about being Dutch. Would it help to write it out in a less light-
of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
I take this as a reference to the layout of the Python standard
library and other packages i.e. it's better to have a module hierarchy
of depth 1 or 2
Robin Becker, 25.10.2010 15:56:
I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!.
What's a that boy?
Stefan
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On 27/10/2010 10:13, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Robin Becker, 25.10.2010 15:56:
I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!.
What's a that boy?
Stefan
well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
I know that X that a boy said is wrong. (any boy)
I know that X that the boy
of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
Simple. This commandment (endowed by the anointed one, GvR) is
directed directly at lisp and those filthy lispers. If you don't know
what lisp is then Google it. Then try
In mailman.278.1288129342.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
On 10/26/2010 2:44 PM, kj wrote:
In mailman.258.1288104186.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
The answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
from
On Oct 25, 4:18 pm, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
kj wrote:
In mailman.232.1288020268.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested
On Oct 25, 8:23 am, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
rounds of wrestling on television. So while it can give useful guidance,
it's nether
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:02:27 +, kj wrote:
I have nothing against humor. The reason why I find import braces
funny is that it is so obviously a joke. But I do find it mildly
annoying (and just mildly) that a joke/hoax/farce like ZoP/this.py is
built into the standard lib, because a lot
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:02:19 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com writes:
And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
rounds of wrestling on television. So while it can give
Steven D'Aprano steve-remove-t...@cybersource.com.au wrote:
Load the source code for the ‘this’ module into a text editor, and see
how many of the maxims it violates.
None of them.
I'd say it easily violates the first 3, being neither beautiful,
explicit nor simple, and especially
On Oct 27, 7:58 pm, Robin Becker ro...@reportlab.com wrote:
I know that that that that that boy said is wrong!.
well they say nested is hard. How about this break down
I know that X that a boy said is wrong. (any boy)
I know that X that the boy said is wrong. (a single boy)
I know that X
On Mon, 2010-10-25, bruno.desthuilli...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 oct, 15:34, Alex Willmer a...@moreati.org.uk wrote:
On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example
is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
I take this as a reference to the layout of the Python standard
library and other packages i.e. it's better to have a module hierarchy
of depth 1 or 2 and many top level items, than a depth of 5
In mailman.241.1288036400.2218.python-l...@python.org Terry Reedy
tjre...@udel.edu writes:
On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
Well, it's pretty *enshrined*, wouldn't you say?
No.
After all, it is part of the standard distribution,
So is 'import antigravity'
Are you playing with my
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:05 AM, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In mailman.241.1288036400.2218.python-l...@python.org Terry Reedy
tjre...@udel.edu writes:
On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
Well, it's pretty *enshrined*, wouldn't you say?
No.
After all, it is part of the standard
On 2010-10-26, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
(Though, humorless as it is of me, I still would prefer the ZoP
out of the standard library, to save myself having to tell those
who are even newer to Python than me not to take it seriously.)
Well, not to take it *too* seriously.
It's like any
On 10/26/2010 9:05 AM, kj wrote:
Perhaps the disconnect here is that you're seeing the whole thing
from an insider's point of view, while I'm still enough of an
outsider not to share this point of view. (I happen to think that
one the hallmarks of being an initiate to a discipline is an
On 26/10/2010 15:42, Steve Holden wrote:
he answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
from __future__ import braces
That feature*is* available in Python 2.6;-)
In the past I used to think it was really cool that one could do
from __future__ import exciting_and_cool_new_stuff
On 10/25/2010 6:34 AM, Alex Willmer wrote:
On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kjno.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
I take this as a reference to the layout
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 09:45 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
On 10/25/2010 6:34 AM, Alex Willmer wrote:
On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kjno.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
In mailman.258.1288104186.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
The answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
from __future__ import braces
That feature *is* available in Python 2.6 ;-)
Now, that's hilarious.
kj
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On 26/10/2010 14:18, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
This is a programming language named after a British comedy group (not
the snake). There are going to be jokes inserted in lots of otherwise
serious things. Like the standard library.
Please, lets NOT get a newsgroup cross feed!
I don't want spam,
On 10/26/2010 2:44 PM, kj wrote:
In mailman.258.1288104186.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
The answer is probably the same as you will see if you try
from __future__ import braces
That feature *is* available in Python 2.6 ;-)
Now, that's
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
TIA!
~kj
PS: My question should not be construed as a defense for nested.
I have no particular preference for either flat or nested; it all
depends
On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
I take this as a reference to the layout of the Python standard
library and other packages i.e
On 25 oct, 15:34, Alex Willmer a...@moreati.org.uk wrote:
On Oct 25, 11:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
I take this as a reference
On 25/10/2010 11:07, kj wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
...
I believe that the following illustrates the nesting issue (I think this is from
somewhere in Chomsky
On Oct 25, 2:56 pm, Robin Becker ro...@reportlab.com wrote:
On 25/10/2010 11:07, kj wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
...
I believe that the following illustrates
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
Simple. This commandment (endowed by the anointed one, GvR) is
directed directly at lisp and those
On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
this point?
Simple. This commandment (endowed by the anointed
In f8b6c925-ca3b-4be4-8851-6b18c6465...@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com writes:
On Oct 25, 5:07=A0am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? =A0Why? =A0Can anyone give me a concrete example that
In mailman.232.1288020268.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me
On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
Well, it's pretty *enshrined*, wouldn't you say?
No.
After all, it is part of the standard distribution,
So is 'import antigravity'
has an easy-to-remember invocation,
etc. *Someone* must have taken it seriously enough to go through
all this bother.
On 10/25/2010 3:11 PM, kj wrote:
In mailman.232.1288020268.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
kj wrote:
In mailman.232.1288020268.2218.python-l...@python.org Steve Holden
st...@holdenweb.com writes:
On Oct 25, 5:07 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
In The Zen of Python, one of the maxims is flat is better than
nested? Why? Can anyone give me a concrete example that illustrates
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com writes:
And everyone taking the Zen too seriously should remember that it was
written by Tim Peters one night during the commercial breaks between
rounds of wrestling on television. So while it can give useful
guidance, it's nether prescriptive nor a bible ...
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