Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-13 Thread Phil Thompson
On Monday 13 February 2006 12:33 am, John J. Lee wrote: Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Commercial Qt is a little out of my price range. Commercial *PyQt* (including a license for Qt for use only with PyQt) is $400 (USD) per developer (plus an extra $300/year if you want

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-13 Thread John J. Lee
Phil Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 13 February 2006 12:33 am, John J. Lee wrote: Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Commercial Qt is a little out of my price range. Commercial *PyQt* (including a license for Qt for use only with PyQt) is $400 (USD) per

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-12 Thread John J. Lee
Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Commercial Qt is a little out of my price range. Commercial *PyQt* (including a license for Qt for use only with PyQt) is $400 (USD) per developer (plus an extra $300/year if you want upgrades). That's compared to Qt license for use *with C++*

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's wrong with wxPython? (http://www.wxpython.org) Didn't see it mentioned here. David Berlin http://farpy.holev.com - Python GUI Editor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Chris Mellon
On 2/10/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...with a twist. I'm undertaking my first semi-substantial Python GUI application after a long time dabbling with the language. I'm fairly experienced with Tcl/Tk, so Tkinter seems the obvious choice to reduce my Python learning curve.

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Florian Nykrin
Hi Kevin! I have no experience with Tkinter, but I did some small GUIs with wxPython and PyGTK. wxPython works very well on Windows, but on Linux (Ubuntu/Debian in my case) it is very difficult to work with and buggy. PyGTK-Applications on the other hand maybe do not look totally like

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-02-11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with wxPython? (http://www.wxpython.org) Nothing. A lot of us use it. Didn't see it mentioned here. I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were supposed to. You might want to check the wxpython mailing list if you want to see

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-02-11, Florian Nykrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wxPython works very well on Windows, but on Linux (Ubuntu/Debian in my case) it is very difficult to work with and buggy. That's odd. I've been using wxPython for many years on both Windows and on many distributions and haven't found a

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Walzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with wxPython? (http://www.wxpython.org) Didn't see it mentioned here. David Berlin http://farpy.holev.com - Python GUI Editor I did mention it...see scaling the wxPython mountain. -- Kevin Walzer iReveal: File Search Tool

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Walzer
Florian Nykrin wrote: Hi Kevin! I have no experience with Tkinter, but I did some small GUIs with wxPython and PyGTK. wxPython works very well on Windows, but on Linux (Ubuntu/Debian in my case) it is very difficult to work with and buggy. PyGTK-Applications on the other hand maybe do

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/10/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm undertaking my first semi-substantial Python GUI application after a long time dabbling with the language. ... So: my question is, would it be more productive for me to wrestle with these extensions when there doesn't seem to be much

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unfortunately, PyGTK does not run natively on the Mac (it's X11 only). There's some work in progress: http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Gtk_Mac_OS_X -- Lawrence - http://www.oluyede.org/blog Anyone can freely use whatever he wants but the light at the

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Robert Hicks
Wow you are so wrong about Tk on OSX. Soon this is just not going to be the case at all for any of the system Tcl/Tk runs on. The Tcl folks have come out with a package called Tile that is going to be rolled in. It gives you native LF on OSX, Windows, Linux. Robert --

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Steve Holden
Robert Hicks wrote: Wow you are so wrong about Tk on OSX. Soon this is just not going to be the case at all for any of the system Tcl/Tk runs on. The Tcl folks have come out with a package called Tile that is going to be rolled in. It gives you native LF on OSX, Windows, Linux. This is good

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Walzer
Chris Mellon wrote: If you're planning on selling an application, especially to OS X users, then Tk is absolutely out of the question. It doesn't have even the slightest resemblence to native behavior, and lacks the polish and flash that occasionally lets a non-native app get away with it.

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Walzer
Steve Holden wrote: Robert Hicks wrote: Wow you are so wrong about Tk on OSX. Soon this is just not going to be the case at all for any of the system Tcl/Tk runs on. The Tcl folks have come out with a package called Tile that is going to be rolled in. It gives you native LF on OSX, Windows,

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Kevin Walzer
Peter Decker wrote: On 2/10/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm undertaking my first semi-substantial Python GUI application after a long time dabbling with the language. ... So: my question is, would it be more productive for me to wrestle with these extensions when there

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/11/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dabo looks interesting, but isn't it mainly for database applications? Has any other kind of application been developed with it? Also, it seems very Windows/Linux-centric. Is anyone using it on OS X? The Dabo demo comes with several games

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/11/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, it seems very Windows/Linux-centric. Is anyone using it on OS X? I almost forgot: take a look at this screencast: http://leafe.com/screencasts/sizers2.html It's the second part of a demonstration on using sizers in the Dabo visual

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Chris Mellon
On 2/11/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Mellon wrote: If you're planning on selling an application, especially to OS X users, then Tk is absolutely out of the question. It doesn't have even the slightest resemblence to native behavior, and lacks the polish and flash

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Neil Hodgson
Kevin Walzer: Do these screenshots look non-native to you? http://www.wordtech-software.com/ireveal-mac.png Yes. I don't use a Mac much but the following are really obvious. The column header icons don't fit within the header. The scroll bar is squished up too thin. The icons are from

Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Walzer
...with a twist. I'm undertaking my first semi-substantial Python GUI application after a long time dabbling with the language. I'm fairly experienced with Tcl/Tk, so Tkinter seems the obvious choice to reduce my Python learning curve. However, my Tcl applications typically make use of a *lot*

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-10 Thread Dan Sommers
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:16:36 -0500, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, my application has to run on OS X and Windows, and will be commercial, so this combination of requirements rules out PyGTK/PyQt/just about every other cross-platform GUI toolkit. According to their

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Walzer
Dan Sommers wrote: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:16:36 -0500, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, my application has to run on OS X and Windows, and will be commercial, so this combination of requirements rules out PyGTK/PyQt/just about every other cross-platform GUI