Re: number of python users
Robert Kern wrote: So he can make an informed decision about how far back he should maintain compatibility? I wasn't asking you! ;) Depending on what kind of software this is, who the potential users are, how the software will be distributed etc, the importance of being backward compatible varies from essential to completely irrelevant. As usual, knowing more background makes it easier to help. It would be a pity to miss out on really useful new features in Python 2.4 while coding, and then end up bundling a Python interpreter in the software installations anyway. It's obviously more relevant to maintain compatibility with older Python versions if we're talking about an open source Python package that might be of use to the typical Python programmer who uses Linux. To name a few concrete examples, Zope typically bundles its own python in the installation, and can work with just one version and let other software on the same machine use another python of a different version. Twisted supports 2.2 - 2.4, but will probably skip 2.2 support fairly soon, and since it uses some new Python features, some backported Python libraries are included in Twisted, and that creates a maintenance cost. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Magnus Lycka wrote: To name a few concrete examples, Zope typically bundles its own python in the installation, and can work with just one version and let other software on the same machine use another python of a different version. Note that Zope 3 doesn't do this. The system Python is used by default. You can always provide your own if you wish. Zope 3 is much more like a normal Python library in this respect. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Scott David Daniels wrote: * 2.3 was called Python-in-a-tie; Nope, that's 2.2. See e.g. http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2002/08/msg00025.html Sadly, it seems the Python Business Forum has died, or at least fallen into some kind of coma, so I don't know if that's an issue. In corporate installations, there are still a lot of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 installations, and they have 2.2. RH EL4 comes with 2.3. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Bryan wrote: is there a rough estimate somewhere that shows currently how many python 1.5 vs 2.2 vs 2.3 vs 2.4 users there are? have a majority moved to 2.4? or are they still using 2.3? etc... Why do you want to know that? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Magnus Lycka wrote: Bryan wrote: is there a rough estimate somewhere that shows currently how many python 1.5 vs 2.2 vs 2.3 vs 2.4 users there are? have a majority moved to 2.4? or are they still using 2.3? etc... Why do you want to know that? So he can make an informed decision about how far back he should maintain compatibility? -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the fields of hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die. -- Richard Harter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just for fun, i looked at the top linux distros at distrowatch and looked at what version of python the latest released version is shipping with out of the box: 1. ubuntu hoary - python 2.4.1 2. mandriva 2005 - python 2.4 3. suse 9.3 - python 2.4 3.1. OpenSuSE 10 will be coming out with Python 2.4.1 as well. Be seeing you, -- Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: number of python users
Bryan wrote: just for fun, i looked at the top linux distros at distrowatch and looked at what version of python the latest released version is shipping with out of the box: 1. ubuntu hoary - python 2.4.1 2. mandriva 2005 - python 2.4 3. suse 9.3 - python 2.4 4. fedora core 4 - python 2.4.1 5. mepis 3.3.1 - python 2.3.5 6. knoppix 4.0.2 - python 2.3.5 7. debian sarge - python 2.3.5 8. gentoo 2005.1 - python 2.3.5 9. slackware 10.2 - python 2.4.1 10.kubuntu hoary - python 2.4.1 11. freebsd 5.4 - python 2.4 12. xandros 3.0 - python 2.3.4 13. pclinuxos 0.91 - python 2.3.4 no RHEL? (are they still stuck on 2.2, btw?) /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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RHEL isn't really big on Distrowatch because Distrowatch is geared more towards users. RHEL 4.1 is using Python 2.3.4 now, btw. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
number of python users
is there a rough estimate somewhere that shows currently how many python 1.5 vs 2.2 vs 2.3 vs 2.4 users there are? have a majority moved to 2.4? or are they still using 2.3? etc... thanks, bryan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: number of python users
Bryan wrote: is there a rough estimate somewhere that shows currently how many python 1.5 vs 2.2 vs 2.3 vs 2.4 users there are? have a majority moved to 2.4? or are they still using 2.3? etc... Here are current PIL download statistics (last 10 days): 75.6% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.4.exe 18.0% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.3.exe 2.2% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.2.exe 4.2% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.1.exe Note that these are fresh downloads for Windows, not users. People who run other systems, or are happy with their existing installation, isn't included (so older versions are probably more common than they appear). (fwiw, I still have users on 1.5.2 for most of my libraries. usually huge Unix systems that nobody wants to break just because they can...) /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Bryan wrote: is there a rough estimate somewhere that shows currently how many python 1.5 vs 2.2 vs 2.3 vs 2.4 users there are? have a majority moved to 2.4? or are they still using 2.3? etc... thanks, bryan I'd bet the majority is still using 2.3: * 2.3 has been around a very long time; * 2.3 was installed by Apple on OS-X; * 2.3 was called Python-in-a-tie; * SciPy (Scientific Python) is still running on 2.3 on Windows (there is some issue with I/O in 2.4 builds). * Any Windows user with C code for python support modules must expend some non-trivial effort to get a compatible C compiler either by purchasing a VC 7.1 C/C++ compiler or by downloading the free version of that compiler and runtime environment and following instructions at: http://www.vrplumber.com/programming/mstoolkit/ [The move needed to happen, but it slowed 2.4 uptake on Windows] But, 2.3 is getting long-in-the-tooth. I don't believe another bugfix release of 2.3 is in the cards. --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: number of python users
On 2005-09-26, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a rough estimate somewhere that shows currently how many python 1.5 vs 2.2 vs 2.3 vs 2.4 users there are? have a majority moved to 2.4? or are they still using 2.3? etc... My guess is most are still using 2.3. The last time I looked, that was the version shipped in most of the popular Linux distros. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Here we are in at America... when do we visi.comcollect unemployment? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fredrik Lundh wrote: Bryan wrote: is there a rough estimate somewhere that shows currently how many python 1.5 vs 2.2 vs 2.3 vs 2.4 users there are? have a majority moved to 2.4? or are they still using 2.3? etc... Here are current PIL download statistics (last 10 days): 75.6% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.4.exe 18.0% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.3.exe 2.2% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.2.exe 4.2% /downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.1.exe Note that these are fresh downloads for Windows, not users. People who run other systems, or are happy with their existing installation, isn't included (so older versions are probably more common than they appear). (fwiw, I still have users on 1.5.2 for most of my libraries. usually huge Unix systems that nobody wants to break just because they can...) /F just for fun, i looked at the top linux distros at distrowatch and looked at what version of python the latest released version is shipping with out of the box: 1. ubuntu hoary - python 2.4.1 2. mandriva 2005 - python 2.4 3. suse 9.3 - python 2.4 4. fedora core 4 - python 2.4.1 5. mepis 3.3.1 - python 2.3.5 6. knoppix 4.0.2 - python 2.3.5 7. debian sarge - python 2.3.5 8. gentoo 2005.1 - python 2.3.5 9. slackware 10.2 - python 2.4.1 10.kubuntu hoary - python 2.4.1 11. freebsd 5.4 - python 2.4 12. xandros 3.0 - python 2.3.4 13. pclinuxos 0.91 - python 2.3.4 bryan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
