Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-10 Thread Aahz
In article mailman.8714.1233686338.3487.python-l...@python.org, rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: Quoth a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz): In article mpg.23f220f22aa48ce9989...@news.individual.de, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: * Aahz (2 Feb 2009 09:29:43 -0800) Polarized sunglasses

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-10 Thread rdmurray
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: In article mailman.8714.1233686338.3487.python-l...@python.org, rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: Quoth a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz): Then I have the problem of copying around the syntax highlighting configuration to every computer I use. Well, _that's_ easy

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Aahz (2 Feb 2009 09:29:43 -0800) In article mpg.23f146877dac7c30989...@news.individual.de, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: * Aahz (2 Feb 2009 06:30:00 -0800) In article 874ozd3cr3@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au wrote:

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Russ P. (Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:18:20 -0800 (PST)) On Feb 2, 9:09 pm, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: You favor bleeding eyes? If I am going to bleed anywhere, I'd actually prefer it be somewhere other than the eyes. Well, maybe not the gonads either. That's a tough call. In any case, I

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Aahz
In article mpg.23f220f22aa48ce9989...@news.individual.de, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: * Aahz (2 Feb 2009 09:29:43 -0800) In article mpg.23f146877dac7c30989...@news.individual.de, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: * Aahz (2 Feb 2009 06:30:00 -0800) In article

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Stef Mientki
Clip Libraries are stored in simple text files. This is such a simple concept but is so very productive. Who needs an IDE?. I would love to have a Linux text editor (like Scite or GEdit) that could do this. The code snippet manager, part of a huge IDE, but can be used as a standalone tool

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Marco Mariani
Russ P. wrote: highlighting. Not that it really helps much, but it spices up the code and stimulates the eyes and brain. When I see the same code without color highlighting, it just seems bland, like something is missing. It seems like just text rather than code. Plus, it can be configured to

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Tim Rowe
2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley jervi...@gmail.com: real programmers use ed. Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' our bare teeth... -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 2/1/2009 2:42 AM mcheun...@hotmail.com apparently wrote: Hi all what IDE is the best to write python? http://blog.sontek.net/2008/05/11/python-with-a-modular-ide-vim/ Alan Isaac PS Also maybe see: http://vim.sourceforge.net/scripts/script.php?script_id=30 http://www.builderau.com.au

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Catherine Heathcote
Tim Rowe wrote: 2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley jervi...@gmail.com: real programmers use ed. Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' our bare teeth... You had teeth!?! Oh and hi, I shall be a new face in the crowd ;) --

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread rdmurray
Quoth a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz): In article mpg.23f220f22aa48ce9989...@news.individual.de, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: * Aahz (2 Feb 2009 09:29:43 -0800) In article mpg.23f146877dac7c30989...@news.individual.de, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: * Aahz

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Steve Holden
Tim Rowe wrote: 2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley jervi...@gmail.com: real programmers use ed. Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' our bare teeth... Cards? Teeth? You were lucky! We 'ad ter stare at t'paper tape until the intensity of our gaze burned holes in it.

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Istvan Albert
On Feb 2, 12:06 pm, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: It makes my eyes bleed Ever tried sunglasses? Sunglasses for bleeding eyes? For pete's sake try bandages. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Robert Kern
On 2009-02-03 12:19, Catherine Heathcote wrote: Tim Rowe wrote: 2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley jervi...@gmail.com: real programmers use ed. Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' our bare teeth... You had teeth!?! Oh and hi, I shall be a new face in the crowd ;)

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Aahz
In article hv%hl.29854$sp5.19...@text.news.virginmedia.com, Catherine Heathcote catherine.heathc...@gmail.com wrote: Tim Rowe wrote: 2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley jervi...@gmail.com: real programmers use ed. Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' our bare teeth...

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Torabisu
On Feb 1, 9:42 am, mcheun...@hotmail.com mcheun...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all    what IDE is the best to write python? thanks from Peter (mcheun...@hotmail.com) I use a combination of: 1. VI/VIM 2. Eclipse with PyDev extensions 3. NetBeans with Python Module installed When I'm working

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Bob Martin
in 100686 20090203 181957 Catherine Heathcote catherine.heathc...@gmail.com wrote: Tim Rowe wrote: 2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley jervi...@gmail.com: real programmers use ed. Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' our bare teeth... You had teeth!?! Oh and hi, I

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Aahz
In article 874ozd3cr3@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting On what basis? It makes my eyes bleed -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) *

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Joe Riopel
I typically use vim/vi, because it's usually already installed on the OS's I work with and vim for Windows works the same. Also, using the same editor across these different OS's, I don't have to worry too much soft/hard tabs. The contents of rc files on both Windows and UNIX/Linux are the same

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Robert Comstock (Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:06:02 -0800 (PST)) Why I like Vim: [...] 5. Can your text editor do this? Vim search and replace, with increment :let i=1 | g/foo/s//\=i.morestuff/ | let i=i+1 I hope my editor wouldn't let me do this... Thorsten --

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Aahz (2 Feb 2009 06:30:00 -0800) In article 874ozd3cr3@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting On what basis? It makes my eyes bleed Ever tried

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Aahz
In article mpg.23f146877dac7c30989...@news.individual.de, Thorsten Kampe thors...@thorstenkampe.de wrote: * Aahz (2 Feb 2009 06:30:00 -0800) In article 874ozd3cr3@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20090201 15:18], Craig (fasteliteprogram...@yahoo.com) wrote: eclipse With the pydev plugin of course. Personally I prefer to just use vim and (i)python. But at work I am using Eclipse with pydev as well. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Robert Comstock
I am personally a fan of vim and ipython. But most of my development is done on a remote system with ssh access. I have used many IDE's over the years and personally I feel like they try to hard to do everything for you that they end up doing very little the way I would like. There are MANY

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Christof Donat
Hi, Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting With vim you simply don't turn it on. Would that be OK for you? No. Even the /possibility/ of having syntax highlighting would indicate wimpness and thus humiliate me. Ah, I guess you are using butterflies then:

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Christof Donat (Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:14:25 +0100) Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting With vim you simply don't turn it on. Would that be OK for you? No. Even the /possibility/ of having syntax highlighting would indicate wimpness and thus humiliate me.

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Willi Richert
Hi, I used eclipse/pydev quite some time. What pulled me back into the arms of emacs was: - ability to save bookmarks (meaning a point in a file) at all the keystrokes. Never found out how to do that in eclipse. In emacs I have now all the times j save at the current working position, f at

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread andrew cooke
Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting you can use it in surprising ways, if the implementation is good enough. when i used intellij with java i had the syntax highlighting set so that everything was simple black+white, but mutable state (i can't remember the exact

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Tim Rowe
2009/2/1 MattBD matthewbd...@googlemail.com: Really it depends what you are doing. Some languages are very tightly integrated with an IDE, such as MS Visual C#, and as far as I can see it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible to use a text editor with that language. Why so? I don't

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Christof Donat
Hi, Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting With vim you simply don't turn it on. Would that be OK for you? Christof -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Ben Finney
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: In article 874ozd3cr3@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting On what basis? It makes my eyes bleed Okay. I'll

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Patrick Steiger
2009/2/2 Joe Riopel goo...@gmail.com I typically use vim/vi, because it's usually already installed on the OS's I work with and vim for Windows works the same. Also, using the same editor across these different OS's, I don't have to worry too much soft/hard tabs. You shouldn't even think

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Jervis Whitley
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 07:26:24PM EST, Ben Finney wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting On what basis? Real men hate syntax highlighting. --

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Aahz
In article 87y6woz659@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: In article 874ozd3cr3@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a contrary

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Peter Anderson
I have a thing about editors; a good editor is my tool of trade! I have tried many editors over the years mainly in the MS Windows, Linux and IBM mainframe environments. After all this I really like EditPlus (and the a slightly lesser extent Textpad). What both have in common is their Clip

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-02 Thread Russ P.
On Feb 2, 9:09 pm, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: You favor bleeding eyes? If I am going to bleed anywhere, I'd actually prefer it be somewhere other than the eyes. Well, maybe not the gonads either. That's a tough call. In any case, I use xemacs, and I've always liked color highlighting.

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread r
On Feb 1, 1:42 am, mcheun...@hotmail.com mcheun...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all    what IDE is the best to write python? That's like asking boxers or briefs, everybody thinks their choice is the best. I like freedom if that gives you a hint. :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Stephen Hansen
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:42 PM, mcheun...@hotmail.com mcheun...@hotmail.com wrote:Hi all what IDE is the best to write python? thanks from Peter (mcheun...@hotmail.com)What OS? And define "IDE"? Do you just want an editing environment with say class browsing capabilities or d

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Matthew Sacks
Wingware IDE is pretty good. It's not free though. http://www.wingware.com/ On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Stephen Hansen apt.shan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:42 PM, mcheun...@hotmail.com mcheun...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all what IDE is the best to write python? thanks

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread James Stroud
mcheun...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all what IDE is the best to write python? thanks from Peter (mcheun...@hotmail.com) vim in one terminal, ipython in the other. -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Craig
eclipse --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: From: Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: what IDE is the best to write python? To: python-list@python.org Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 3:31 AM On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:42:42 -0800 (PST), mcheun

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Stef Mientki
thanks Matthew, for the extended answer and the great link, I'm going to study that carefully. cheers, Stef MattBD wrote: On Feb 1, 12:19 pm, Stef Mientki stef.mien...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, scripting languages like Python are generally better suited to working with a text editor than an

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread MattBD
On Feb 1, 7:42 am, mcheun...@hotmail.com mcheun...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all    what IDE is the best to write python? thanks from Peter (mcheun...@hotmail.com) I like Vim, that works really well for me when coding in Python. Enable syntax highlighting and it's a great development environment

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread MattBD
On Feb 1, 12:19 pm, Stef Mientki stef.mien...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, scripting languages like Python are generally better suited to working with a text editor than an IDE. I don't understand that, because in my opinion yields   IDE = texteditor + (much) more please could you explain (as

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Stef Mientki
IMHO, scripting languages like Python are generally better suited to working with a text editor than an IDE. I don't understand that, because in my opinion yields IDE = texteditor + (much) more please could you explain (as I'm very interested in user interfaces in general ) cheers, Stef

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Christof Donat
Hi, IMHO, scripting languages like Python are generally better suited to working with a text editor than an IDE. I don't understand that, because in my opinion yields IDE = texteditor + (much) more please could you explain (as I'm very interested in user interfaces in general ) Try

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Aahz
In article e85efc5f-d141-4c5a-b228-8dba960a6...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com, MattBD matthewbd...@googlemail.com wrote: I like Vim, that works really well for me when coding in Python. Enable syntax highlighting and it's a great development environment. It's a little tough at first but run

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Ben Finney
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting On what basis? -- \ “The man who is denied the opportunity of taking decisions of | `\ importance begins to regard as important the decisions he is | _o__)

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-01 Thread Chris Jones
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 07:26:24PM EST, Ben Finney wrote: a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes: Just to register a contrary opinion: I *hate* syntax highlighting On what basis? Real men hate syntax highlighting. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-01-31 Thread mcheun...@hotmail.com
Hi all what IDE is the best to write python? thanks from Peter (mcheun...@hotmail.com) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list