Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article mailman.10041.1400164039.18130.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:17 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: One another trick is to drop spaces around keywords 9and 12345or 99if 'a'in'a' else or 77 12345 and

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Albert van der Horst alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote: That may be tong-in-cheek but mathematicians do exactly that. We use roman, greek and hebrew alphabets in normal italics and boldface and then some special characters for element-of, logical-or, integral

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-05-17 12:52, Albert van der Horst wrote: Now translate E=mc^2 into Java. I suspect it would be something like public class Einstein { private double mass=0, energy=0; public class Relativity implements IEquation { Relativity(double mass) { set_mass(mass); } public

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.10085.140038.18130.python-l...@python.org, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: On 2014-05-17 12:52, Albert van der Horst wrote: Now translate E=mc^2 into Java. I suspect it would be something like public class Einstein { private double mass=0,

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.10083.1400332708.18130.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Albert van der Horst alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote: That may be tong-in-cheek but mathematicians do exactly that. We use roman, greek and hebrew

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 17/05/2014 13:52, Albert van der Horst wrote: Now translate E=mc^2 into Java. I can't do that as I simply don't understand it. What has the Marylebone Cricket Club got to do with E? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.10088.1400335366.18130.python-l...@python.org, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 17/05/2014 13:52, Albert van der Horst wrote: Now translate E=mc^2 into Java. I can't do that as I simply don't understand it. What has the Marylebone Cricket Club got

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 17/05/2014 15:06, Roy Smith wrote: In article mailman.10088.1400335366.18130.python-l...@python.org, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 17/05/2014 13:52, Albert van der Horst wrote: Now translate E=mc^2 into Java. I can't do that as I simply don't understand it. What

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-17 Thread Rustom Mody
On Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:36:19 PM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote: Mark Lawrence wrote: Now translate E=mc^2 into Java. I can't do that as I simply don't understand it. What has the Marylebone Cricket Club got to do with E? A wicket looks like an E on its side. Does that help?

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Ben Finney
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: You said this: The 80 character line limit is *not* driven by a limitation of computer technology; it is driven by a limitation of human cognition. For that reason, it remains relevant until human cognition in the general reading population

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 May 2014 17:12:57 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: A definitive Python source file could be binary, XML, .py, .ast, whatever, Containing *what*? You can't just wave your hands and say binary. What sort of binary file? Perhaps a JPEG file, where red triangles of different sizes

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: Source code is, *by definition*, the definitive version. (It's the SOURCE, see?) Zipping the source code just means that the *source* inside the zip file is the definitive version, not the compressed binary data. I find the Free

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info: On Thu, 15 May 2014 17:12:57 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: A definitive Python source file could be binary, XML, .py, .ast, whatever, Containing *what*? You can't just wave your hands and say binary. I sure can and am. Besides, where

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 May 2014 17:06:13 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: The claim being made is that 79/80 is a fundamental, cognitive limit and has no relation to technological changes. I don't believe anyone has made that claim. You are reading a statement about general (typical, average) behaviour, and

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Containing *what*? You can't just wave your hands and say binary. What sort of binary file? Perhaps a JPEG file, where red triangles of different sizes represent keywords. Variable names can be encoded

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Well, actually, any .py file *does* specify a unique AST. Nothing would prevent the text editor from presenting it according to your preferences. They all do that to a degree anyway (colors, fonts), but they could take

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: You still haven't answered my biggest objection from earlier. Source code contains more information than the AST does; even if you make a frAnkenSTein's monster that includes comments, there's still the point that whitespace carries information, and that

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: If every bit of your Python text conveys information, obviously, it can't be abstracted. I don't believe that to be the case, though. So this AST should contain all *actual* information worth conveying and strip away

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-16 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: Compare these two assignment statements: area = (base*base + extension*extension + annex*annex + (annex-extension)*annex + triangle*triangle/2 + circle*circle*math.PI + sphere*sphere*4*math.PI) area = (base*base + extension*extension +

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Dave Angel
On 05/14/2014 10:12 PM, Roy Smith wrote: In article mailman.10026.1400116640.18130.python-l...@python.org, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I still remember the cry of anguish when the guy in the computer building at (the then) Portsmouth Polytechnic dropped his cardboard box of

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Johannes Bauer
On 15.05.2014 04:43, Ben Finney wrote: Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: Until then may we relegate '79' to quaint historical curiosities Not until the general capacity of human cognition advances to make longer lines easier to read. I find it surprising how you can make such a

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Johannes Bauer dfnsonfsdu...@gmx.de: I don't know why anyone would force a display issue onto everyone. Well, if I have to work with your code, you are forcing your style on me. It imples the arrogant stance that every human being has the exact way of reading and writing code. Everyone can

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Johannes Bauer dfnsonfsdu...@gmx.de wrote: Personally I find overly narrow code (80 cols) to be much *harder* to read than code that is 100 cols wide. Keep in mind that even if the break is at 100 cols, lines will rarely exceed that limit. And if they do to

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: I know the idea of windows is fast disappearing from modern (mobile) computing; you have apps instead that commandeer the whole screen. Personally, I find that a big step backwards. I want to be able to subdivide the

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread alister
On Thu, 15 May 2014 23:31:44 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: The Windows 8 / Unity / GNOME 3 model annoys me greatly. Can't get work done like that. ChrisA Windows 8/ Unity/ Gnome 3 are great on tablets (at least they look like they should be the only one I can confirm is Win 8) but lousy on a

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:38 PM, alister alister.nospam.w...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2014 23:31:44 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: The Windows 8 / Unity / GNOME 3 model annoys me greatly. Can't get work done like that. ChrisA Windows 8/ Unity/ Gnome 3 are great on tablets (at least

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Rustom Mody
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:37:54 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Johannes Bauer : I don't know why anyone would force a display issue onto everyone. Well, if I have to work with your code, you are forcing your style on me. It imples the arrogant stance that every human being

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Roy Smith
In article 78ac407a-c429-4a7a-93c9-5d83e0f09...@googlegroups.com, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: And yet programmers continue to be decades behind all other users of computers. We continue to use flat text for our programs when all others have moved on. It's not like we haven't

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Rustom Mody
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:57:26 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: The limit of human readability is generally given to be somewhere in the range of 60-120. It's not a single specific value that's exactly the same for everyone; personally, I like my lines of code to be a bit longer than 80,

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: There *are* some places where non-text programming has won. The biggest example would be GUI builders. Nobody programs screen and window layouts by typing textual descriptions. They push boxes around in a GUI builder. Hi,

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com: We continue to use flat text for our programs when all others have moved on. My more moderate and immediate point is, why should the physical encoding of the program be also the presentation format? A definitive Python source file could be binary, XML, .py,

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Rustom Mody
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 7:28:01 PM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote: Rustom Mody wrote: And yet programmers continue to be decades behind all other users of computers. We continue to use flat text for our programs when all others have moved on. It's not like we haven't tried.

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread wxjmfauth
Le mardi 13 mai 2014 10:45:49 UTC+2, Peter Otten a écrit : Ganesh Pal wrote: Hi Team , what would be the best way to intent the below line . I have few lines in my program exceeding the allowed maximum line Length of 79./80 characters Example 1 :

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: A definitive Python source file could be binary, XML, .py, .ast, whatever, and that would also be the file fed to the Python compiler/interpreter. However, your editor could choose freely how to present it to you. IOW,

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com: And yet you routinely find people on this list recommending writing python to using a GUI-builder. On the one hand I am tempted to say Sheesh!! On the other, maybe the builders are still too half-assed... Dunno That's like diagnosing cancer without invasive

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:17 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: One another trick is to drop spaces around keywords 9and 12345or 99if 'a'in'a' else or 77 12345 and pray, the tools from those who are wasting their time in writing code analyzers or syntax colorizers or

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: Who of you hasn't sworn at a Web editor that gets the formatting all messed up when you have typed a backspace in the wrong place? My current pet peeve is the Gmail composition pane. What a load of crap (especially in rich

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: I believe the Python interpreter happily accepts a zip file, which in theory could be edited directly by a competent text editor. But that has nothing to do with PEP 8. Compare a classic compiled language like C - you have the bit you edit (the C source code)

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: An everyday example: a word processor displays the word hello with hel in boldface and lo in italics. You put the cursor between the l's and type a letter. Should it be in boldface or italics? Impossible to say, and one

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: You and I could have opened the same C file. Only you see: #include stdio.h int ++ main ( int argc, | My first C program |

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread wxjmfauth
Le jeudi 15 mai 2014 16:27:16 UTC+2, Chris Angelico a écrit : On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:17 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: One another trick is to drop spaces around keywords 9and 12345or 99if 'a'in'a' else or 77 12345 and pray, the tools from

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/05/2014 14:58, Roy Smith wrote: In article 78ac407a-c429-4a7a-93c9-5d83e0f09...@googlegroups.com, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: And yet programmers continue to be decades behind all other users of computers. We continue to use flat text for our programs when all others have

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread alister
On Thu, 15 May 2014 23:44:34 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:38 PM, alister alister.nospam.w...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2014 23:31:44 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: The Windows 8 / Unity / GNOME 3 model annoys me greatly. Can't get work done like that.

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/15/2014 10:42 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: Impossible to say, and one of the perpetual annoyances. Here's a web site that I host: http://gilbertandsullivan.org.au/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=92:2001-patiencecatid=30:patienceItemid=102 (Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/pphpkuk )

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/15/2014 9:58 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: As far as I can see the votaries of the mystical 79 have yet to explain how/where it appeared from As has been explained before, and is implied in the PEP, 79 = 80 - 1. 80 chars - 1 character width cursor leaves 79 non-cursor characters. When enter is

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Ben Finney
Johannes Bauer dfnsonfsdu...@gmx.de writes: On 15.05.2014 04:43, Ben Finney wrote: Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: Until then may we relegate '79' to quaint historical curiosities Not until the general capacity of human cognition advances to make longer lines easier to

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread MRAB
On 2014-05-15 22:50, Terry Reedy wrote: On 5/15/2014 10:42 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: Impossible to say, and one of the perpetual annoyances. Here's a web site that I host: http://gilbertandsullivan.org.au/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=92:2001-patiencecatid=30:patienceItemid=102

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Rustom Mody
On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:51:27 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote: On 5/15/2014 9:58 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: As far as I can see the votaries of the mystical 79 have yet to explain how/where it appeared from As has been explained before, and is implied in the PEP, 79 = 80 - 1. 80

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Ben Finney
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: The claim being made is that 79/80 is a fundamental, cognitive limit and has no relation to technological changes. Who has made that claim, and where? You appear to be attacking a straw man. Rather, I've claimed that the conventional lime length limit

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 May 2014 16:07:54 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Johannes Bauer dfnsonfsdu...@gmx.de: I don't know why anyone would force a display issue onto everyone. Well, if I have to work with your code, you are forcing your style on me. +1 It imples the arrogant stance that every human

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 15 May 2014 06:58:53 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: As far as I can see the votaries of the mystical 79 have yet to explain how/where it appeared from You're either trolling, or haven't been reading this thread in any detail. That's already been explained, repeatedly both in this thread

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-15 Thread Rustom Mody
On Friday, May 16, 2014 5:51:21 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Rather, I've claimed that the conventional lime length limit is *based in* the real cognitive limits of human reading comprehension -- and that technologies have been designed with corresponding limitations. Nowhere have I

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/13/2014 6:55 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: On Tue, 13 May 2014 04:52:26 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: What this goes to show is that while 80 is ridiculously low by most displays today, Not for people who like to has two (or three, or

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article a3253d6a-ef89-49d5-b866-8c06a7462...@googlegroups.com, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:37:24 PM UTC+5:30, Ganesh Pal wrote: Hi Team , what would be the best way to intent the below line . I have few lines in my program exceeding the allowed

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Gary Herron
On 05/14/2014 03:53 PM, Albert van der Horst wrote: In article a3253d6a-ef89-49d5-b866-8c06a7462...@googlegroups.com, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:37:24 PM UTC+5:30, Ganesh Pal wrote: Hi Team , what would be the best way to intent the below line . I

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/05/2014 01:15, Gary Herron wrote: Which is a relic of the even older punch cards which contained one line of (up to) 80 characters. Gary Herron I still remember the cry of anguish when the guy in the computer building at (the then) Portsmouth Polytechnic dropped his cardboard box of

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.10026.1400116640.18130.python-l...@python.org, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I still remember the cry of anguish when the guy in the computer building at (the then) Portsmouth Polytechnic dropped his cardboard box of punch cards that made up his end of

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Rustom Mody
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 4:23:52 AM UTC+5:30, Albert van der Horst wrote: Rustom Mody wrote: 80-character limit?! Sheesh! A relic of the days when terminals were ASCII and 80x24 80 character was the hard limit. The soft limit for readability is 60..65 characters. Think about it.

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Ben Finney
Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: Until then may we relegate '79' to quaint historical curiosities Not until the general capacity of human cognition advances to make longer lines easier to read. We humans may be historical curiosities some day; until then, let's continue to write our

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 14 May 2014 19:36:13 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: And there are (semi)hard technological limits like if you post code longer 65 chars out here it will fold at random unforeseen points. These limits get irrelevant as the technology changes. The technological limits may become irrelevant,

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-14 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/05/2014 03:43, Ben Finney wrote: Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: Until then may we relegate '79' to quaint historical curiosities Not until the general capacity of human cognition advances to make longer lines easier to read. We humans may be historical curiosities some day;

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Peter Otten
Ganesh Pal wrote: Hi Team , what would be the best way to intent the below line . I have few lines in my program exceeding the allowed maximum line Length of 79./80 characters Example 1 : p = Subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd),stdout=subprocess.PIPE,stderr=subprocess.PIPE)

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread alister
On Tue, 13 May 2014 10:45:49 +0200, Peter Otten wrote: Ganesh Pal wrote: Hi Team , what would be the best way to intent the below line . I have few lines in my program exceeding the allowed maximum line Length of 79./80 characters Example 1 : p =

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Rustom Mody
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:37:24 PM UTC+5:30, Ganesh Pal wrote: Hi Team , what would be the best way to intent the below line . I have few lines in my program exceeding the allowed maximum line Length of 79./80 characters Example 1 : p =

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.9945.1399965443.18130.python-l...@python.org, Ganesh Pal ganesh1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Team , what would be the best way to intent the below line . I have few lines in my program exceeding the allowed maximum line Length of 79./80 characters Example 1 : p

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Ben Finney
Ganesh Pal ganesh1...@gmail.com writes: what would be the best way to intent the below line . You'd need to define “best” in order to get an objective answer. So my answer will be based on my preferences, and general rules I've observed for making code readable. Example 1 : p =

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Ben Finney
Roy Smith r...@panix.com writes: p = Subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout=subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.PIPE) That is PEP 8 conformant, but I find it hurts maintainability: it is far too much indentation. Horizontal space is

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-05-13 22:26, Ben Finney wrote: Changing the name on the first line doesn't entail changing any other line:: proc = Subprocess.Popen( shlex.split(cmd), stdout=subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.PIPE) special_process_map[this_process] =

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Rustom Mody
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 2:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Peter Otten wrote: Ganesh Pal wrote: what would be the best way to intent the below line . p = Subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd),stdout=subprocess.PIPE,stderr=subprocess.PIPE) (3) Import names: from subprocess import PIPE p =

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 13 May 2014 04:52:26 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: What this goes to show is that while 80 is ridiculously low by most displays today, Not for people who like to has two (or three, or four) windows side-by- side. Or multiple views of the same document. it is too high for many

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: On Tue, 13 May 2014 04:52:26 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: What this goes to show is that while 80 is ridiculously low by most displays today, Not for people who like to has two (or three, or four) windows side-by- side. Or

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Gregory Ewing
Ben Finney wrote: The 80 character line limit is *not* driven by a limitation of computer technology; it is driven by a limitation of human cognition. For that reason, it remains relevant until human cognition in the general reading population improves. Another thing: Just because I may have

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

2014-05-13 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.9961.1399984013.18130.python-l...@python.org, Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Roy Smith r...@panix.com writes: p = Subprocess.Popen(shlex.split(cmd), stdout=subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.PIPE) That