> Do you think tkinter is going to be the standard python built-in
> gui solution as long as python exists?
> >>>
> >>> AT the moment, there is nothing really comparable that is a
> >>> realistic candidate to replace tkinter.
> >>
> >> FLTK? (http://www.fltk.org/index.php)
> >
> > tkinter
> I know this may sound a silly question because no one can see the
> future. But ...
> Do you think tkinter is going to be the standard python built-in gui
> solution as long as python exists?
"Standard built-in" maybe, but by far most people who need a GUI for an
actual application will keep usi
> But there's another option that is available to every platform and
> (practially) every high level language: the web browser. Make your app
> serve HTTP and do up your UI in HTML5/CSS3 - your facilities are
> pretty extensive. Plus you get networking support for free! Obviously
> this option isn'
> > Both the concept and actually implemented examples of so-called "web
> > applications" prove that they are just plain garbage and hopelessly
> > unusable for anything remotely resembling actual screenwork.
> >
> > HTML forms may be at best useful for "web shops", but for actual
> > screenwork,
> Your back end exposes services and business logic, and your front end
> can be in HTMLv5 and Javascript, or QtQuick, PyGTK, or Visual
> Studio. If you do need a native interface, it's a heck of a lot
> easier to rewrite just the frontend then the entire stack.
Any decent database CRUD framework
> HTTP handles that just fine, with your choice of XML,
And XML is definitely not suitable as a marshalling format for a RPC
protocol.
XML-over-HTTP is a true cerebral flatulance of some hopelessly clueless
moron.
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> Please give me an example of a "suitable transport layer for a RPC
> protocol".
I won't give you an example, but just some very basic criteria:
- It must be very efficient for very small "datagrams"
- It must provide connections
- For asynchronous programmi
> What is "screenwork"?
Actually productive work of significant intensity at a computer screen.
As opposed to leisurely "clicking around" like managers, administrators
or home users (gaming, "webbing",...) do.
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> >> suppose I now want the app natively on my phone (because that's all
> >> the rage). It's an iPhone. Oh. Apple doesn't support Python.
> >> Okay, rewrite the works, including business logic, in Objective C.
> >> Now I want it on my android phone.
> >
> > Those are gadgets, not work tools.
> > A GUI that can not be used without taking the ten fingers off the
> > keyboard is indeed entirely unusable for any half-proficient
> > screenworker. And anyone doing actual productive screenwork every
> > day for more than just a few months will inevitably (have to) get
> > proficient (unless c
> > A "touch-type" GUI is a "must have" for any application that's
> > supposed to be used productively. The mouse is nice to "explore" a
> > GUI or for occasional/leisurely use, but once you use an
> > application daily to earn your living, it's a hopeless roadblock
> > for productivity.
>
> You
> I share your passion for empowering a human operator to complete and
> submit a form as quickly as possible. I therefore agree that one
> should be able to complete a form using the keyboard only.
This is not just about "forms", it's about using the entire application
without having to use the m
> Okay... how long does a round-trip cost?
With a protocol that wasn't made for the purpose (such as HTTP) and all
that HTML to "render" (not to mention javascript that's required for
even the most trivial issues) - way too long.
> Considering that usability guidelines generally permit ~100ms for
> Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget
> toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt.
wxPython, PyGUI...
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> >> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> >> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> >> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
> >
> > Good example.
> >
> > I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks
> >
Python & SQLalchemy), Russian only
- Kiwi (PyGTK)
Not sure whether these are still active:
- Gnuenterprise (wxPython)
- Pythoncard (wxPython)
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> There are just so many IPC modules out there. I'm looking for a
> solution for developing a new a multi-tier application. The core
> application will be running on a single computer, so the IPC should
> be using shared memory (or mmap) and have very short response times.
Probably the fastest I/R
> Hello all, I am learning to program in python. I have a need to make a
> program that can store, retrieve, add, and delete client data such as
> name, address, social, telephone number and similar information. This
> would be a small client database for my wife who has a home accounting
> busines
> Personally, I wouldn't bother with SQLAlchemy for this. I'd just use
> Python as the front end, PostgreSQL for the database, and psycopg2
> for the interface.
Then you have to implement the entire logic, "event binding" etc.
yourself.
If you use e.g. Pypapi (the latest version), implementing
> I'm really new to Usenet/Newsgroups, but... I'd like to learn some
> new programming language, because I learnt a bit of Perl though its
> OOP is ugly. So, after searching a bit, I found Python and Ruby, and
> both of they are cute. So, assuming you'll say me "learn python", why
> should I learn
> >> The point why Ruby was started (perceived deficit of
> >> object-orientation) has been remedied since Python 2.2.
> >
> > Not completely. At the least, there's arguably still the issue of
> > len() and friends (vs. `.length` etc.), and also of `self` being
> > explicit.
>
> I'm not entirely
> I am the lone developer of db apps at a company of 350+ employees.
> Everything is done in MS Access 2010 and VBA. I'm frustrated with the
> limitations of this platform and have been considering switching to
> Python.
>
> I've been experimenting with the language for a year or so,
> and feel com
> One program that claims to be working towards Access replacement is
> Kexi. It's not written in Python, but I think it does use Python as a
> scripting language, just as Access uses VBA. I doubt it's anywhere
> near Access yet, but it's worth a look:
>
> http://kexi-project.org/about.html
Unf
> The reporting question is the one that gives me the greatest concern
> when I think about switching to Python.
Not Python, but FOSS, cross-platform and it works with PostgreSQL:
http://www.xtuple.com/openrpt
Apart from that one, among the mentioned DB RAD frameworks, at least
Dabo and Camelot
> for all senior can you suggest me the best, friendly and easy use
> with nice GUI editor for me, and have many a good features such as
> auto complete/auto correct.
Depends on what you are used to.
If you're used to bare-bones editors such as emacs, vim etc, they can be
used for Python.
If you
> I plan to work in decision support field in environmental engineering
> so I will use both the stochastic simulation as well as the stochastic
> optimization.
> I would like to select the best for both approaches software tool.
>
> what you suggest ... Matlab ... python ... something else?
I ha
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six years.
Sorry to "hijack" your thread, b
> > What "GUI designer" would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's
> > Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that
> > allows to actually "connect" the GUI created directly to the code
> > and make it available "live" in an IDE?
> >
> > This whole cycle of "design GUI"-
> > What "GUI designer" would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's
> > Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that
> > allows to actually "connect" the GUI created directly to the code
> > and make it available "live" in an IDE?
>
> If you're developing on the Mac, PyO
> > * Domain experts in fact who would need to implement loads of
> > software to help them get their work done but can't. And since
> > there's no budget for external developers, nothing get's ever done
> > about this.
> Well, typically or at least very often sooner or later something
> gets done
> > Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to
> > make potential new users turn their backs away from Python for
> > good. Just show them one GUI implemented with it and, hey, wait,
> > where are you running to...
>
> Yes, Tkinter GUI's are very ugly.
>
> http://www.codebyk
> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
Good example.
I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks to
LyX.
Sincerely,
Wolfga
> > None of these were such that I could propagate it as GUI development
> > tool for non-programmers / casual users.
> > Sure, some are good for designing the GUI, but at the point where
> > the user code is to be added, most people would be lost.
>
> There was a time when that was a highly adver
> object mainwindow=GTK2.Window(GTK2.WindowToplevel);
> mainwindow->set_title("Timing")->set_default_size
> (400,300)->signal_connect("destroy",window_destroy); GTK2.HbuttonBox
> btns=GTK2.HbuttonBox()->set_layout(GTK2.BUTTONBOX_SPREAD); foreach
> (labels,string lbl) btns->add(butto
Danger: Flame ahead!
> I think efforts to make a better, and more definitive, "GUI builder"
> for Python should focus on makigng an easy to use "IDE" for creating
> these kinds of Python-HTMl-Javascript front ends for applications.
The idea of so-called "web applications" is a cerebral flatulance
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT)
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> On Jun 14, 2:25Â pm, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> >
> > What is needed for domain specialists are frameworks and related
> > tools such as GUI builders that allow them to write exclusively the
> > domain-specific c
> Are there any other, better solutions?
Others are e.g.:
- Pypapi
- Camelot
- Kiwi
- Sqlkit
- Gnuenterprise
etc...
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> > Are there any other, better solutions?
>
> Others are e.g.:
> - Pypapi
> - Camelot
> - Kiwi
> - Sqlkit
> - Gnuenterprise
And I've just learned of another one:
- QtAlchemy
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> Lots of new stuff in this version. Highlights include:
>- GridView - a user-defined view consisting of a regular grid of
> cells.
>
>- PaletteView - a GridView specialised for implementing tool
> palettes.
Any chance to see a hierarchical multi-column TreeListView anytime soon?
Sincer
> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter installed.
Wrong.
See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/
BTW: Imho, the Python interpreter should be made
"portable" ("zero-install") _by default_. "Installing" it should be
purely optional.
> >> You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter
> >> installed.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > See e.g. http://www.portablepython.com/
>
> Uhm... how does that disprove?
Which part of the word "installed" don't you understand while actually
using it? >;->
> Whatever language you distrib
looks like Mac
> and works like Mac, do not touch anything with X11.
As a long-time Mac user, I somewhat disagree, see above. :-)
To me, a GTK application with a really well-thought ergonomic user
interface is a lot more Mac-ish than a pile of "aqua-native" visual
gadgetry.
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> I'm new to Python but am wondering what IDE Python developers use?
> I use Mac OS X 10.4.2.
Just look in the archives of the Pythonmac mailinglist. We have
discussed this very subject intensively recently, with a pretty
extensive review of the different IDEs available.
I'll get a copy of Win
Hello,
does anyone have any experience with the Python support in the new 6.0
version of Enterprise Architect from Sparx Systems? As I understand, it
was eriously broken in earlier versions, so I would like to know
whether they managed to fix it by now.
TIA,
Sincerely,
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Hello,
does anyone know of Python modules for OLAP work? E.g. efficient
manipulation of large multi-dimensional structures (arrays) of
arbitrary (not only numeric) data?
TIA,
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r my evaluation...
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ould also start standardisation for such things as a "Python
Messaging System", a "Python Component Model" and maybe (reference)
implementations could be included in the Python distribution some day (no I
don't think it should be called "PEE" :-).
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g like hyperlinks in mind)
The database software to interface with is Postgres.
The application "should" also provide good support for naming of
cells/columns/rows/regions (including namespaces for files, sheets) and
user-defined formats.
TIA,
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ailinglist. Someone who's maintaining the Mac OS X installers for
several open-source IDEs has posted a quite extensive review of some
IDEs very recently. To me it looks like Wing IDE may be the best choice
if you want something perfectly solid and don't mind paying a
reasonable price.
rkflow applications, business applications, application
integration...
J. Paul Morrison has used the concept he named "Flow-Based-Programming"
for financial applications since the 60's, any control systems engineer
knows function-block-diagrams etc. and so on...
Sincerely,
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guage of the spreadsheet.
Because Postgres already supports Python as a trigger/procedure
language, so I can stick with one single tool (to learn and use).
> PyUNO allows both, but Python macros are only possible
> with the OpenOffice 2 scripting framework.
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> o The Python plugin
> o The Python plugin loader
> o Additional Python functions
Do these provide the possibility to use Python as macro/scripting
language from within Gnumeric?
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entirely replace VBA in nearly
all Windows applications with Python, right?
TIA,
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rface and for someone who
refuses to learn VB(A) but still wants to script Windows applications.
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ally, is there any (realistic) way to mix PowerBuilder and Python? For
> instance write a Python shell that calls PowerBuilder methods (or vice
> versa).
For Sybase-specific questions there's gmane.comp.python.sybase... >;->
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ane etc.). It is afaik _not_
automatic.
PyGTK uses X. There are window managers available which try to emulate
an Aqua "look", but there's afaik no way to detach the menu bar from
the window etc...
If you are willing to GPL your own applications, PyQt is another
option.
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ng to use compilers and linkers and makefiles and the like was one
of the major reasons which made Python interesting for me...
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got a the tools and the know-how to port this thing to the Mac?
TIA,
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ency
- Design concepts & features (security...)
Candidates could be:
- Pyro
- Twisted.spread
- OSE (XML-RPC)
- ICE
- ...others?
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also supports Apple events (high-level bridge:
> <http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/appscript.html>)
I know, but I was thinking of OS-independent RPC protocols. :-)
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Am 6 Dec 2004 16:00:35 -0800 schrieb has:
> Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>
>>> MacPython also supports Apple events
>>
>> I know, but I was thinking of OS-independent RPC protocols. :-)
> Pity, you're missing some good stuff... :/
_I_ _am_ using a Mac at h
- development efficiency
- performance & ressource requirements
- stability, implementation quality etc.?
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Hello,
Does anyone have any recent information about the status of the (Stackless)
Python implementation for the PalmOS?
(Yes, I know about Pippy, but that's O-L-D)
TIA,
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> If there is any interest on this, please let me know so we can work on
> getting this as a real port.
"Interest" is just a "slight" understatement... :-)
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> I wish to develop a database application with a lot of specific
> functionnalities dealing with sound files.
>
> I have developped an Access prototype and run into a first problem :
Access is not a database, it's a data shredder. And for the GUI part;
it only works on that pathologic non-opera
> I'm particularly interested to know if anyone can share experience of
> switching to teaching Python as a first programming language in a
> similar context. A written up case study that I could circulate among
> the relevant staff would be especially useful.
Just one experience from the "other"
> GUI:-want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.
>
> There are lots of book here so I am confuse which book i should
> refer so that i don't waste time .
It depends on what you want to do with the GUI, since there are many
different GUI frameworks for Python.
E.g. If you
> I think PyQt is slowly being pushed aside in favor of PySide, which is
> more license-friendly for use in closed or open projects. I would
> recommend using PySide unless PyQt is a requirement for your project.
Except the issue that Pyside always seems to lag a bit behind Qt
releases, while PyQ
> > And ever after that experience, I avoided all languages that were
> > even remotely similar to C, such as C++, Java, C#, Javascript, PHP
> > etc.
>
> I think that's disappointing, for two reasons. Firstly, C syntax isn't
> that terrible.
It's not just the abysmally appalling, hideously horrif
> Python is sooo slow when it waits for the human.
With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
for that system to stop "Not Responding".
And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
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> For example Firefox implements its entire GUI in
> Javascript using XML GUI definitions.
Which has made Firefox essentially unusable because it will fall into
koma ("Not Responding") for minutes upon almost each and every
mouseclick. Unfortunately I don't know any significantly better
alternativ
> The other thing, specially if you would make a customer project, I
> don't know how to pack the app written in python in an installer.
If you want your application to be actually user-friendly, you make it
available as an installer-less zip archive. It works with Python
applications, no matter w
> Please check JYTHON and those ready-for-novice GUI tools in java.
All Java GUI frameworks I know of are ridiculous garbage.
Not only that Java per se is obscenely fat (and unresponsive), but the
GUI frameworks leak like bottomless barrels and the look and feel is so
hideous that I would say fro
> > It's not just the abysmally appalling, hideously horrifying syntax.
> > At about everything about C is just *not* "made for human beings"
> > imho.
>
> I've never heard C syntax reviled quite so intensely. What syntax do
> you like, out of curiosity?
Pascal, Python, if written by someone wh
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Wolfgang Keller
> wrote:
> > And besides, again, a commercially licensed PyQt itself isn't *that*
> > expensive.
>
> > The cost of a commercial PyQt license for a single developer is £350
> > (GBP). You may pay in eith
> I was also taught C as an undergrad but having already learned Java, C
> and C++ before arriving at University I found the C course very easy
> so my own experience is not representative. Many of the other students
> at that time found the course too hard and just cheated on all the
> assignments
> I am a novice who is really interested in contributing to Python
> projects. How and where do I begin?
You're looking for work?
Try:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonProjects
http://www.python.org/about/apps/
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pyth
> I find it frustrating that Pythonistas shy away from regex as much as
> they do.
I find regular expression syntax frustrating. >;->
As long as I have the choice, I still prefer syntax like e.g.
VerbalExpressions. That's made for actual humans like me.
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> > All Java GUI frameworks I know of are ridiculous garbage.
> >
> > Not only that Java per se is obscenely fat (and unresponsive), but
> > the GUI frameworks leak like bottomless barrels and the look and
> > feel is so hideous that I would say from personal experience with
> > numerous Java appl
> > I've never heard C syntax reviled quite so intensely. What syntax
> > do you like, out of curiosity?
>
> Pascal, Python, if written by someone who uses semantic identifiers
> and avoids to use C(++)/Java-isms. I've seen Eiffel as well (without
> understanding it) and it didn't look ridiculous
> > With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time
> > waiting for that system to stop "Not Responding".
> >
> > And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
>
> Something is wrong then.
You bet.
> Windows has its issues, and it does slow down over time as cruft in
> the system accu
> > On an actual operating system, the attitude of the developers (do
> > they actually care or just don't give a darn) is *the* critical
> > issue for end-user productivity. If a developer makes a statement
> > such as of "just get a faster computer" or "just get more RAM",
> > then (s)he probably
> Thanks for all suggestions,
Two essential criteria:
If an ORM only allows 1:1 mapping between classes and tables à la
"active record", then it's entirely pointless.
And if an ORM allows only surrogate keys, then its developers don't
have a clue of databases or they don't give a darn. Or both.
> i am programming a system that will be giving details about finance,
> purchase(bills pending bills and paid bill), employees record and
> salary details, warehouse records.
>
> That is just all i intend to do this all on one GUI application
> window and to make it to be able to keep records for
> Id like to ask.. do you know any modern looking GUI examples of
> windows software written in python? Something like this maybe:
> http://techreport.com/r.x/asus-x79deluxe/software-oc.jpg (or
> hopefully something like this android look:
> http://chromloop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Skype-4.0
> Things I'm interested include contributing to both Python and Django,
> database design and data modeling,
Django is made by people who definitely don't know what they're doing.
https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/MultipleColumnPrimaryKeys
Open the index to any half-decent database design text
> Does Python have good mathematical capabilities?
SAGE: http://www.sagemath.org/
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> With python I got IDLE, but I am not very comfortable with this.
>
> Please suggest, if we have any free ide for python development.
There are a lot of IDEs for Python.
One classic is WingIDE. Available for free is a "101" edition. Runs on
all major operating systems. Implemented itself in Pyt
> I had developed many database business applications using MVC design
> pattern with different programming languages like PHP, Java EE,
> VB.NET, C#, VB 6.0, VBA, etc. All of them defined the Model layer as
> the data management of the application domain and business logic
> implementation. I read
> I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to
> Python's standard library:
I don't think that you want to re-implement RPy.
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> Definitely get the latest version (currently 3.3, soon 3.4). Python
> keeps getting new features and improvements.
Python scripts or applications might not be compatible with Python 3.x
and require 2.x instead.
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> Every time you go on the Internet, you download other people's code
> and execute it. Javascript, Flash, HTML5, PDF are all either
> executable, or they include executable components.
That's why I deactivate all of these by default. And why I *hate*
so-called "web designers" who *require* activa
> As complexity rises, though, I'd rather just code the creative parts
> of things, and not busy-code, which is what gui code becomes. Much
> of it is boiler-plate, cut and pasted, etc.
If much of the code for a GUI is boiler-plate, busy-code etc. than I
would suggest that the framework is not re
> > The most intuitive approach to database applications would be:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_objects
> > http://www.nakedobjects.org/
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Unfortunately, there's no Python framework (yet?) that implements
> > this design.
>
> It could be a blessing in disguise. To
> Is there a library for Python that can easily create flowcharts using
> a simple API?
Graphviz (->TikZ->LaTeX->PDF)
> But the users want to see this as a visual flowchart too. It would
> be the best to have it automatically arranged; or at least open it an
> editor so they can move the nodes a
> Windows and OS X users, sadly, miss out on the power of an integrated
> package manager.
Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers".
Because on
> > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS,
> > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the
> > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers".
> >
> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
> > entirely self
> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an
> > entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or
> > "installers" to use it.
> For people who have never used such a system it's probably difficult
> to see the advantages.
That's the whole point.
The
> I've worked with both. Quite honestly, I really wish that other
> operating systems had gone down this route. MS didn't possibly to make
> it harder to steal software,
>From the perspective of the computer-literate, proficient
screenworker, MS always got and gets everything completely wrong.
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