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On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:18 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:05 AM Ian Kelly wrote:
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> > You're objecting to people trying to do *something* positive on the
> > grounds that they're not doing *more* while you yourself are doing
> > *nothing*. That's pretty hypocritical.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 4:41 AM, Brian Oney via Python-list
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> "I have a vewwy great fwiend in Wome called 'Biggus Dickus'"
> ...
> "Can I go now, sir?"
He has a wife, you know. You know what she's called? She's called...
'Incontinentia'. 'Incontinentia Buttocks'.
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:05 AM Ian Kelly wrote:
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> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:48 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:36 PM Ian Kelly wrote:
> > > So, Chris, what have *you personally* done about real slavery where it
> > > still happens?
> > >
> > > If, as I'm guessing,
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:48 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:36 PM Ian Kelly wrote:
> > So, Chris, what have *you personally* done about real slavery where it
> > still happens?
> >
> > If, as I'm guessing, the answer is "nothing" then it seems to me that
> > you don't
> PS: I'm not a great fan of it, but I think we all know that off-topic is
> in a way what this list excels at.
+1
An open source community thrives on being open. It also welcomes those who like
to pick a fight for various, usually personal reasons.
Has any heard of that Python language? I
David Raymond wrote:
> [...]
> HAL.open(ship.pod_bay.doors)
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
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...Think about how you treat your computers - you have the power to discard
them if they do not work correctly, or even if you just want to get a newer
one. You have the power to kick them across the room and nobody will arrest
you. Maybe you don't do those things (I would hope you don't kick
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:28 AM Ian Kelly wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:49 AM Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:33 PM Ian Kelly wrote:
> > >
> > > Care to give an example? The distinctive part of the definition of
> > > "slave" is that it refers to someone who is
do,
second one does it) but I think any one of them feels more "comfortable"
now-a-days than Master and Slave.
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From: Paul Moore
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:41 AM
To: Ian Kelly
Cc: Python
Subject: Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python
On
Ian Kelly :
> The terminology should be changed because it's offensive, full stop.
> It may be normalized to many who are accustomed to it, but that
> doesn't make it any less offensive.
>
> Imagine if the terminology were instead "dominant / submissive".
> Without meaning to assume too much,
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 16:30, Ian Kelly wrote:
> Also: a human slave is not "a person being treated like a computer"
> and I find it highly disrespectful that you would move to trivialize
> slavery like that.
I have no idea what it must feel like to be a slave (other than the
trite and obvious
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:49 AM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:33 PM Ian Kelly wrote:
> >
> > Care to give an example? The distinctive part of the definition of
> > "slave" is that it refers to someone who is owned and/or held captive,
> > and forced to work against their
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:33 PM Ian Kelly wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:01 AM David Palao wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations.
> > They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately
> > sometimes true,
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:01 AM David Palao wrote:
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> Hello,
> My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations.
> They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately
> sometimes true, even today) when applied to persons. But it is not
> offensive when
On 26/09/2018 06:34, Ian Kelly wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>> What I know about them is that they (and I am assuming there are
>> multiple people, because there are reports of multiple reports, if
>> that makes sense) are agitating for changes to documentation without
>> any real backing.
>
>
On 9/26/18 3:58 AM, David Palao wrote:
> Hello,
> My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations.
> They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately
> sometimes true, even today) when applied to persons. But it is not
> offensive when applied to
Hello,
My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations.
They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately
sometimes true, even today) when applied to persons. But it is not
offensive when applied to processes in a computer. They are not living
On 25/09/2018 23:46, Thomas Jollans wrote:
..
I have to say I find these unspecified attacks on "SJWs" rather disturbing. Assuming for a moment that "SJW" is a viable insult
(that's the way you appear to be using it, though I wouldn't use it myself, in that way or probably at all) -
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:36 PM Ian Kelly wrote:
> So, Chris, what have *you personally* done about real slavery where it
> still happens?
>
> If, as I'm guessing, the answer is "nothing" then it seems to me that
> you don't have much of a leg to stand on to level this accusation.
Am I demanding
Chris Angelico wrote:
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> I was neither rude, nor personally attacking anyone.
Actually, the "SJW brigade" remark was quite rude, and a clear attack
on anybody who supports this change.
> Yes, it's an insult. It's the people who believe that they can cure
> social problems by making demands,
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:55 AM Robin Becker wrote:
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> On 23/09/2018 15:45, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
> > *sigh*. I'm with Hettinger on this.
> >
> > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/11/python_purges_master_and_slave_in_political_pogrom/
> >
> I am as well. Don't fix what is not broken. The
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 8:47 AM Thomas Jollans wrote:
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> On 25/09/18 20:57, Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > Is it off-topic because it's nothing to do with Python, or is it
> > actually off-topic because it makes you afraid that people won't be
> > bullied by the SJW brigade?
>
>
> I have to say I
On 25/09/18 20:57, Chris Angelico wrote:
Is it off-topic because it's nothing to do with Python, or is it
actually off-topic because it makes you afraid that people won't be
bullied by the SJW brigade?
I have to say I find these unspecified attacks on "SJWs" rather
disturbing. Assuming for
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 5:56 AM Jon Ribbens wrote:
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> On 2018-09-25, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:56 AM Jon Ribbens
> > wrote:
> >> Those things might be on topic on python-dev - although I am sure
> >> no-one would thank you for continuing this discussion there - but
>
On 2018-09-25, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:56 AM Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> Those things might be on topic on python-dev - although I am sure
>> no-one would thank you for continuing this discussion there - but
>> this is comp.lang.python/python-list and here this is off-topic.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:56 AM Jon Ribbens wrote:
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> On 2018-09-25, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:01 PM Calvin Spealman
> > wrote:
> >> This entire conversation is inappropriate for this mailing list. Please
> >> leave this free for people who need to ask and give help
On 2018-09-25, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:01 PM Calvin Spealman wrote:
>> This entire conversation is inappropriate for this mailing list. Please
>> leave this free for people who need to ask and give help with Python,
>> regardless of which side of this argument you are
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:01 PM Calvin Spealman wrote:
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> This entire conversation is inappropriate for this mailing list. Please
> leave this free for people who need to ask and give help with Python,
> regardless of which side of this argument you are on.
Considering that the conversation is
This entire conversation is inappropriate for this mailing list. Please
leave this free for people who need to ask and give help with Python,
regardless of which side of this argument you are on.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 4:44 AM Robin Becker wrote:
> On 24/09/2018 21:40, Kirill Balunov wrote:
>
On 24/09/2018 21:40, Kirill Balunov wrote:
...
It seems to me that the word "black" has immunity in the next two Python
releases ;) So do not worry so much!
apparently whitelist/blacklist is an issue so presumably white should also get
immunity :)
But honestly, it's not pleasant to see how
On 24/09/2018 17:30, Dan Purgert wrote:
Robin Becker wrote:
[...] just thought control of the wrong sort..
Is there "thought control of the right sort"?
yes python is good python is good
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On Monday 24 September 2018 16:40:22 Kirill Balunov wrote:
> пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 22:46, Chris Angelico :
> > The trouble is that making changes like this with a view to
> > eliminating the words "master" and "slave" from all docs and
> > comments (rather than making them to improve clarity and
пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 22:46, Chris Angelico :
>
> The trouble is that making changes like this with a view to
> eliminating the words "master" and "slave" from all docs and comments
> (rather than making them to improve clarity and accuracy) opens up the
> leverage that SJWs need. "Hey, you
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 5:02 AM Thomas Jollans wrote:
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> On 24/09/2018 14:52, Robin Becker wrote:
> > On 23/09/2018 15:45, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
> >> *sigh*. I'm with Hettinger on this.
> >>
> >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/11/python_purges_master_and_slave_in_political_pogrom/
> >>
On 24/09/2018 14:52, Robin Becker wrote:
On 23/09/2018 15:45, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
*sigh*. I'm with Hettinger on this.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/11/python_purges_master_and_slave_in_political_pogrom/
I am as well. Don't fix what is not broken. The semantics (in
On 24/09/2018 18:30, Dan Purgert wrote:
> Robin Becker wrote:
>> [...] just thought control of the wrong sort..
>
> Is there "thought control of the right sort"?
We may have to ask to Huxley
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Robin Becker wrote:
> [...] just thought control of the wrong sort..
Is there "thought control of the right sort"?
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On 24/09/2018 14:52, Robin Becker wrote:
> On 23/09/2018 15:45, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
>> *sigh*. I'm with Hettinger on this.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/11/python_purges_master_and_slave_in_political_pogrom/
>>
>>
> I am as well. Don't fix what is not broken. The semantics (in
>
On 23/09/2018 15:45, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
*sigh*. I'm with Hettinger on this.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/11/python_purges_master_and_slave_in_political_pogrom/
I am as well. Don't fix what is not broken. The semantics (in programming) might not be an exact match, but people have
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